How big is the online porn industry in your eyes? [Interesting Topic]

[Cystomatic]

Simple question for you old folks to answer:

How big do you think the online porn industry is? (cam sites, paysites, and whatnot)

I think in your numbers should also be included the earnings of tube sites (yes I know you fags hate them), but I mean, they make thousands of dollar with ad sales (pharmacy, penis enlargement etc.)


Gogogogogogo

[Roald]

I think 42

[Markul]

Ah it's got to be at least 103

[TACNet]

A few years back we took part in a TV documentary (for the BBC) and they estimated that it was worth $12 billion in Europe alone.

But that was a while back when there wasnt so much free stuff

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Roald

I think 42

I concur.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Roald

I think 42

42.7 (to be precise).

[Roald]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

42.7 (to be precise).

2012 yes I'm talking 2013 here

[Cystomatic]

Originally Posted by Roald

2012 yes I'm talking 2013 here

Thanks for the heads up. I was confused by all those numbers. But you clearly helped me out by finding the answer to my question

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Roald

2012 yes I'm talking 2013 here

Due to the cold...delivery of my newsletter update has been a tad slow.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Cystomatic

Thanks for the heads up. I was confused by all those numbers. But you clearly helped me out by finding the answer to my question

I'm here to help

Cheers!!!!

[Max Potential]

Originally Posted by Cystomatic

Simple question for you old folks to answer:

How big do you think the online porn industry is? (cam sites, paysites, and whatnot)

Are you talking width, depth or girth?

[Penny24Seven]

where do you guys get your numbers? I was told by a very good insider it was over 50 but two of you have around 47. I cannot sleep not knowing

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Brian837

where do you guys get your numbers? I was told by a very good insider it was over 50 but two of you have around 47. I cannot sleep not knowing

You talking dollars or euros?

[AnimeFevers]

It's over 9000!!

[SomeCreep]

The industry is 25 - 50% the size it was 4 - 5 years ago.

[BFT3K]

Less than 12, but clearly more than 20...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

The industry is 25 - 50% the size it was 4 - 5 years ago.

i always wonder how people would get that idea

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i always wonder how people would get that idea

i guess their income

[Killswitch]

I'd say three whole ice creams.

[tony286]

this big

[AllAboutCams]

Come on fags we need to pull together

[ilnjscb]

That number apparently is so difficult to arrive at with any confidence that the XBIZ scientific method consisted of asking 311 people :

"Do you think porn revenues are:

more than $10 billion per year
more than $5 billion per year
more than $1 billion per year
less than $1 billion per year"

I don't see how you could get any more scientific and detailed than that.

Also, they concluded from carefully analyzing the reams of data collected that current gross revenues have decreased "by more than 50% from what was widely recognized as a peak period for adult entertainment in 2005"

So don't ever say that there isn't quality analysis in the adult business.

porn revenues exceed 5 billion world-wide despite free pornography online and rampant piracy

Yet this intrepid lady, who bills herself as "one of the world?s leading anti-pornography feminists" estimates it at $97 billion, explaining thusly:

"I think if you really want to talk about the growth, you?re really looking at a $97 billion dollar a year industry. That?s a rough figure. It?s actually very difficult to come up with any accurate figures of revenue for the porn industry. If you really want to understand how the industry became so big, then you really have to understand the role the internet played in the process of demand and consumption. First of all, the internet made pornography affordable, accessible, and anonymous. Those are the three things that have actually increased consumer demand. "

Pornography and Gender Politics Within Neoliberalism

So two really well titled pieces of thorough, logical research there for you. And to quote Roald, "Cheers!"

[pornsprite]

There are 300 million or so people in the US and Europe uses the Euro for it currency the earth is mostly round so I concur with with 42.7 for 2012

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i always wonder how people would get that idea

Get real for one second and look at the facts. Zoom out from your own personal opinion and try and look at the whole picture from a bird's eye view. There are half as many sponsors out there, half as many paysites, half as many affiliates. 100x the free porn. Dvd sales, magazine sales, content sales down 50 - 75%. Revenue wise the industry is half the size it was in 2006/2007. That doesnt mean select affiliates or programs arent still doing well. For example, I'm sure the owner of Xvideos.com is making considerably more now than in 2007. But so what, the industry is still smaller as a whole.

[EliteWebmaster]

Adult industry is not dead as many would like to suggest. There is still money to be made if you know what you are doing. True, the traditional porn model is broken and webmasters were not making money like we did in 2002. But you evolve and change with the times or else you get left behind. There is two big things driving the adult industry right now and if you invest your money wisely in those two parts of the industry, you are still making money almost like it's 2002 ;) And micro niches are still making money. The industry is smaller but there is still great opportunities to make money in the industry. You just have to stop spinning your wheels That's one of the reasons I stopped being a webmaster.

[GARY LEE]

All I want is my 1%. I don't think that is to much to ask.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Cystomatic

Simple question for you old folks to answer:

How big do you think the online porn industry is? (cam sites, paysites, and whatnot)

ADG

[blonda80]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

love this cat

[Cystomatic]

Originally Posted by pornsprite

There are 300 million or so people in the US and Europe uses the Euro for it currency the earth is mostly round so I concur with with 42.7 for 2012

The only post that made me laugh

Please give me your name, address, SSN and bank account numba so I'll send you a cookie.

[just a punk]

See sig.

[Cystomatic]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

That number apparently is so difficult to arrive at with any confidence that the XBIZ scientific method consisted of asking 311 people :

"Do you think porn revenues are:

more than $10 billion per year
more than $5 billion per year
more than $1 billion per year
less than $1 billion per year"

I don't see how you could get any more scientific and detailed than that.

Also, they concluded from carefully analyzing the reams of data collected that current gross revenues have decreased "by more than 50% from what was widely recognized as a peak period for adult entertainment in 2005"

So don't ever say that there isn't quality analysis in the adult business.

porn revenues exceed 5 billion world-wide despite free pornography online and rampant piracy

Yet this intrepid lady, who bills herself as "one of the world?s leading anti-pornography feminists" estimates it at $97 billion, explaining thusly:

"I think if you really want to talk about the growth, you?re really looking at a $97 billion dollar a year industry. That?s a rough figure. It?s actually very difficult to come up with any accurate figures of revenue for the porn industry. If you really want to understand how the industry became so big, then you really have to understand the role the internet played in the process of demand and consumption. First of all, the internet made pornography affordable, accessible, and anonymous. Those are the three things that have actually increased consumer demand. "

Pornography and Gender Politics Within Neoliberalism

So two really well titled pieces of thorough, logical research there for you. And to quote Roald, "Cheers!"

5 billion are way too low. 97 billion are way too high.

I'd personally say, that it's between 15 - 25 billion

[Phoenix69]

A friend of mine claims he once paid a cam girl in potatoes. She accepted 3 potatoes a minute. So, using a formula I don't want to disclose I say "everything porn" is worth 1,254,876 potatoes. At my local supermarket potatoes cost $1.99 a kilo. The average potato is 375 grams so 1,254,876 x 375 g = 470578.5 kg. So the industry is worth $936,451 and 21 cents.

[RKLover]

Originally Posted by Phoenix69

A friend of mine claims he once paid a cam girl in potatoes. She accepted 3 potatoes a minute. So, using a formula I don't want to disclose I say "everything porn" is worth 1,254,876 potatoes. At my local supermarket potatoes cost $1.99 a kilo. The average potato is 375 grams so 1,254,876 x 375 g = 470578.5 kg. So the industry is worth $936,451 and 21 cents.

I cammed with her too

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Cystomatic

5 billion are way too low. 97 billion are way too high.

I'd personally say, that it's between 15 - 25 billion

I think your numbers are every bit as valid as theirs.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Get real for one second and look at the facts. Zoom out from your own personal opinion and try and look at the whole picture from a bird's eye view. There are half as many sponsors out there, half as many paysites, half as many affiliates. 100x the free porn. Dvd sales, magazine sales, content sales down 50 - 75%. Revenue wise the industry is half the size it was in 2006/2007. That doesnt mean select affiliates or programs arent still doing well. For example, I'm sure the owner of Xvideos.com is making considerably more now than in 2007. But so what, the industry is still smaller as a whole.

ok, i agree that overall it might not be growing - but i am very sure most money has just shifted - from 200 sponsors with 5 employees to 1 with 1000

also - opposed to the past - most people that still make money dont hang out on GFY anymore and post "Bro" pics with cars and champagne bottles

i spoke to billing companies - cause they are the only ones who really can tell - and while they took a hit because xsales are much more limited now - they number of initial signups and rebills overall is quite steady. i tend to believe this cause those people had no reason to tell me bullshit

and then i see groups of young russian guys at shows that own traffic networks with insane numbers - they have a totally different take on this business

the thing is: the days of "Pornographers" are over - people owning their own small sites, shooting their own content etc.

or people running small sites with non-exclusive content - i had many clients like that, they are almost completely gone

but trust me - there are people out there doing a lot of money

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by pornsprite

There are 300 million or so people in the US and Europe uses the Euro for it currency the earth is mostly round so I concur with with 42.7 for 2012

[xNetworx]

Let's see,

I fap an average of 5 times per week.

5 x 52 x 7 billion = Potato

So the answer sir, its a potato.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

Let's see,

I fap an average of 5 times per week.

5 x 52 x 7 billion = Potato

So the answer sir, its a potato.

I think your math is off, I got firetruck.

[Penny24Seven]

I did my figure in Yen. Just thought it would go better with this thread

[charlie g]

This is [interesting topic]

[AdultPornMasta]

An interesting insight:

http://www.rosebudmag.com/music-ente...ndustry-012711

"Is the Porn Industry Growing or Dying?"

"Who will save the dying porn industry?

It?s an inescapable fact that porn is everywhere. You can find it on televisions, in movie stores, under mattresses, and of course, on the internet. In recent years, however, the porn industry has begun to fizzle. What has caused the decline? Could something as prevalent as pornography actually fade away?

The truth is that porn will never die off completely, but new porn just might. Steven Hirsch, founder of Vivid, one of the top U.S. porn producers claims, ?In a couple of years, all you?re going to be left with is old movies, because people just can?t stay in business.? What does Hirsch base this prediction on? He explains, ?We have educated an entire generation to expect adult content to be free. As a result of that, it?s very difficult to change that culture.? Therein lies one of the major problems with the porn industry. Are people really going to pay money for what they can easily get for free?

More and more websites offering free porn are popping up every day. YouTube clone sites like YouPorn and RedTube give everyone access to adult content at no charge. Porn producers are seeing their content swapped through file-sharing programs, costing them millions of dollars in lost sales. They are constantly researching stronger anti-piracy software to try and stop these sites from profiting illegally from their movies, but attempts of shutting down the sites completely have so far proven unsuccessful.

An interview with Ron Jeremy, one of the most successful porn stars of all time, revealed how he felt about free porn on the internet. ?We embraced it (the internet) in the beginning, and now it?s eating the porn business. It?s literally decimating the porn business.? USA Today?s John Swartz also partially blames the Tube sites for the porn industry?s financial crisis, but the weak economy certainly doesn?t help either. The recession has caused countless individuals to watch their discretionary spending ? porn definitely included.

The porn industry tried to fight back by requesting financial aid ? to the tune of $5 billion. A $5 billion bailout for porn? Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said in a statement that ?the U.S. government should actively support the adult industry?s survival and growth.? Millions of Americans are malnourished or homeless, but the government should give $5 billion to the porn industry? A few weeks later, Hustler publisher Larry Flynt admitted that the whole thing was a farce, saying he knew it wouldn?t actually happen. Ya think?

Whether the economy, recession, or piracy is to blame, the porn industry is definitely struggling. Representatives state that while they don?t believe porn will die out, fewer companies will be making fewer, cheaper movies. Time will tell if that will be good enough. Will the public demand better quality movies? What will be more important ? free porn, or good porn? Perhaps the answer lies in what no one wants to consider ? no porn. Hey, relax guys, it was only a suggestion. Good or bad, porn is likely here to stay.

© Copyright RosebudMag.com, 2011"

Fair use.

[pornmasta]

if tubes can make money, the value of a movie has to be under the amount of money that makes the tube with...
But the value is above 0

[BigChad]

Funny how they say tubes are killing the industry, yet everyone posts tubes are the way to make money now a days. Can't get any straight answers from anyone on this forum.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by BigChad

Funny how they say tubes are killing the industry, yet everyone posts tubes are the way to make money now a days. Can't get any straight answers from anyone on this forum.

concept: you take the content of the other for free and you make money with the ads on your pages (dating sites)

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and then i see groups of young russian guys at shows that own traffic networks with insane numbers - they have a totally different take on this business

the thing is: the days of "Pornographers" are over - people owning their own small sites, shooting their own content etc.

What are the russian guys doing? and why, if rebills and sales are similar are small shooters with sites over? Do you mean over versus 2002 or over as in they'll never survive?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Roald

I think 42

42%, that must be the percentage of overall porn sales that FreeOnes takes

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What are the russian guys doing? and why, if rebills and sales are similar are small shooters with sites over? Do you mean over versus 2002 or over as in they'll never survive?

a) tube networks i guess

b) i said the overall number probably didnt change much, they are just done by different (and much less) people

[isteve]

Originally Posted by Roald

I think 42

This is the real answer. Here is the proof:

http://youtu.be/aboZctrHfK8

[AmeliaG]

Back before it was taken kinda private, Playboy had a market cap of a hundred million and grossed about three hundred million a year. Even if you figure that Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private all were doing much bigger numbers than those, there is no way porn accounts for that much financial activity.

Even if we were to estimate that there are half a dozen tubes on that level and a couple Manwin properties and some cam companies like AWE, Streamate, and MFC, , and we think they are all doing those sorts of numbers in 2013, that is not a lot of billions.

[Harmon]

The online porn industry is worth 50 posts