Why are most of the broker popunders actually popups?

[signupdamnit]

I've been testing some brokers like Juicy Ads and Plugrush and I've been noticing that from some versions of Chrome and Firefox they are actually popups and not popunders. Shouldn't we be getting more money for these and is there a way to provide real popunders instead? I wouldn't mind a slightly lower success rate for those browsers if it meant users would see popunders and not the bad popups. Those popups are death on some sites but popunders are ok.

[Imortyl Pussycat]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I've been testing some brokers like Juicy Ads and Plugrush and I've been noticing that from some versions of Chrome and Firefox they are actually popups and not popunders. Shouldn't we be getting more money for these and is there a way to provide real popunders instead? I wouldn't mind a slightly lower success rate for those browsers if it meant users would see popunders and not the bad popups. Those popups are death on some sites but popunders are ok.

when did you see this on JA? This was a glitch for a day or so that we fixed (or so we thought). The ads should never pop-over, only under. Also, if you don't mind sharing which versions you see it in still I would appreciate it so I can get tech on it right away. thanks much

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

when did you see this on JA? This was a glitch for a day or so that we fixed (or so we thought). The ads should never pop-over, only under. Also, if you don't mind sharing which versions you see it in still I would appreciate it so I can get tech on it right away. thanks much

Sorry. To be honest it's been a couple weeks for Juicy Ads that tested this. I just tested plugrush a couple minutes ago and I see a problem where it happens on Firefox 15 and chromium Version 22.0.1226.0 (like chrome). It definitely seems to be popping up on both.

I'll do some tests on Juicy later and check again and report back here.

[signupdamnit]

Imortyl Pussycat, It looks like it still does a popup on Firefox 15.0 (Linux) with the Juicy popunder. It steals the focus and loads over the content tab. Strangely it doesn't seem to work at all on the few sites I tried with chromium browser version I previously gave. I'll test some more.

I'm not using default configurations though if that matters?

[Imortyl Pussycat]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Imortyl Pussycat, It looks like it still does a popup on Firefox 15.0 (Linux) with the Juicy popunder. It steals the focus and loads over the content tab. Strangely it doesn't seem to work at all on the few sites I tried with chromium browser version I previously gave. I'll test some more.

I'm not using default configurations though if that matters?

Thanks so much, I have given this to tech to work on.

[signupdamnit]

I should mention I think some people like it this way if it means more success in doing the pop. But it's just on some sites users are more picky (or internet newbies) and I worry about turning them off. So it would be nice to have an alternate option. I guess I could not show the pops for certain browsers but that means a more complex config and less pops.

[tigermtb]

The primary issue with FF (not sure about Chrome) is that Mozilla to my understanding does not like popunders, and instead forces a popup for the browser.

I've spoken with my CTO about this when we first heard about the issue.
Older versions of FF still do popunders as intended.

Blame FF :P

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

Thanks so much, I have given this to tech to work on.

You're welcome. I should mention it isn't just you guys but also plugrush and I believe some others as well. I'll do more testing of various browsers and results with different brokers today and report back on results. Hopefully it helps get things straightened out.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

The primary issue with FF (not sure about Chrome) is that Mozilla to my understanding does not like popunders, and instead forces a popup for the browser.

I've spoken with my CTO about this when we first heard about the issue.
Older versions of FF still do popunders as intended.

Blame FF :P

I recall hearing something about this before elsewhere so I definitely believe you. I think there's one of those 100 reply bug reports about it on the Mozilla site. I'll see what I can find because now I'm curious.

[Colmike9]

I don't know your source, but code like this will pop under in those browsers and not pop up:

var url = "yourURL.html";
window.open(url, "s", "width= 640, height= 480, left=0, top=0, resizable=yes, toolbar=no, location=no, directories=no, status=no, menubar=no, scrollbars=yes, resizable=no, copyhistory=no").blur();
window.focus();

(I know that this at least works in Chrome where regular popunder scripts pop up instead.)

[Imortyl Pussycat]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You're welcome. I should mention it isn't just you guys but also plugrush and I believe some others as well. I'll do more testing of various browsers and results with different brokers today and report back on results. Hopefully it helps get things straightened out.

Jay posted the reason it happens so it looks to be a bit beyond all of our (adnetworks) control in some circumstances. I apologize that I didn't have the full story, I don't speak techese so some of the what the boys explain to me goes over my head. I will pass on the techy stuff right away in the future

[Colmike9]

Here's a popunder fix for FF: https://gist.github.com/1021924

Also, make sure you're using win.blur() and not win.focus()

[Adraco]

The popunders from pussycash will, in Firefox 15 popup and then quickly move to the back and the focus is returned to the main window.

Not "perfect" but a whole lot better than the current juicy ads popunder code which indeed does popover in FF15, and I am indeed using a standard setup. This being the most used browser nowadays, I think it commands a better solution, if pussycash can do it, so can juicyads.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

I've spoken with my CTO about this when we first heard about the issue.

Blame FF :P

That was his response? Blame FF?
Meet Colmike7, your new CTO

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

That was his response? Blame FF?
Meet Colmike7, your new CTO

Just trying to help

But yeah, FF has been having this kind of problem since FF4..

[Adraco]

While we're at it for juicyads, why is it allowed for a popunder advertiser to have those dialogue boxes, "Are you really sure you want to close this window?"

It feels like those, if allowed, would easily be paid more, since they are a bigger annoyance and concern to the surfer. At least it should be in the right of the publisher to disallow such malicious behavior and select only "clean popunder sites" even if that means lower rates.

Right now I can't have juicyads on some pages, because of those "are you really sure" boxes.

[tigermtb]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

That was his response? Blame FF?
Meet Colmike7, your new CTO

That wasn't *his* response, that's me being funny .. but yes we will get this sorted out.

[hony]

The answer to your actual question "Why are most of the broker popunders actually popups?" is "because they don't keep testing their script as browsers update".

I had a self written pop-under code on some small sites which worked a year ago, I just had to check it for the first time in a year and now it doesn't work in Chrome and FF, still works fine in IE (go microsoft!)

As browsers upgrade it needs constant checking and revising. Big tube sites seem to always have popunders that work, I guess they can pay people to check all the time and rewrite the scripts as necessary.

[react]

What hony said.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Here's a popunder fix for FF: https://gist.github.com/1021924

Also, make sure you're using win.blur() and not win.focus()

Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate it. I might end up using it on some sites because the difference between a popup and a popunder can be pretty big on some sites.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by hony

The answer to your actual question "Why are most of the broker popunders actually popups?" is "because they don't keep testing their script as browsers update".

I had a self written pop-under code on some small sites which worked a year ago, I just had to check it for the first time in a year and now it doesn't work in Chrome and FF, still works fine in IE (go microsoft!)

As browsers upgrade it needs constant checking and revising. Big tube sites seem to always have popunders that work, I guess they can pay people to check all the time and rewrite the scripts as necessary.

I don't want to be too much of a conspiracy theorist but I also wonder if it might have to do with the fact that popups are likely more productive than popunders for the advertiser and the ad network? I mean if you can get away with paying the same rate to the publisher for popups as you would popunders why would you be in any hurry to fix it?

I hope it gets fixed. It's nice to see Juicy at least seems to care about the issue.

[V_RocKs]

I blame NALEM.

[Zeiss]

I am the great Cornholio!

[richdon03]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Here's a popunder fix for FF: hxxps://gist.github.com/1021924

Also, make sure you're using win.blur() and not win.focus()

This actually works quite well, except that it fires two popunders with firefox.