PlugRush is going to disable Warez sites once reported. Get involved

[MrDeiz]

As PlugRush owner/representative says - they are going to lock down every warez site reported. If you know such - email them please at [email protected]

That's a nice gesture and the way to follow for other traffic brokers if they want to get our industry back to normal and have some balls to make it

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1072777&page=91

[Fat Panda]

very nice...down with criminals!

[seeandsee]

this is good move i guess

[spiederman]

grab your torch and pitchforks \o/

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Link pulled

[signupdamnit]

Sounds good. I'll send what I find to that email or we can probably post it here too I would think?

[candyflip]

Warez software or pirated content? Two different things, no?

[sandman!]

:thum bsup

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Sounds good. I'll send what I find to that email or we can probably post it here too I would think?

yeah, posting it here would be cool

[BIGTYMER]

We should report Google first.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

We should report Google first.

[Tjeezers]

Hey great, now you can tell those warez webmasters they should sign up under you and become a real earner cause you got GFY that far you'll cost them their income.

And a extra edit, it is plugrush selling the traffic from warez sites to webmasters here, and now you make it our responsibility to clean up the mess? Rates dropping? If warez was such productive traffic their numbers would have gone up, their responsibility, and yet again you make it ours.

Fact was we as industry sucked right? one of your statements, so do it yourself.

And posting it here? Do you also want us to send you their ICQ so you contact them with a better/replacement deal? Traffic is traffic, i know how you think. When you asked me in 2007 to check up your signbucks and tell me if the idea was OK, I was thinking you where fair and your left hand knew what the right hand was doing. But u have such a sneaky way of playing out people in the industry and gain profit from this.

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Hey great, now you can tell those warez webmasters they should sign up under you and become a real earner cause you got GFY that far you'll cost them their income.

And a extra edit, it is plugrush selling the traffic from warez sites to webmasters here, and now you make it our responsibility to clean up the mess? Rates dropping? If warez was such productive traffic their numbers would have gone up, their responsibility, and yet again you make it ours.

Fact was we as industry sucked right? one of your statements, so do it yourself.

And posting it here? Do you also want us to send you their ICQ so you contact them with a better/replacement deal? Traffic is traffic, i know how you think. When you asked me in 2007 to check up your signbucks and tell me if the idea was OK, I was thinking you where fair and your left hand knew what the right hand was doing. But u have such a sneaky way of playing out people in the industry and gain profit from this.

[FingerPrinter]

Rogue employee / money in motion / user-uploaded / etc...

Nothing to see here, move along.

[CaptainHowdy]

Good going ...

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Warez software or pirated content? Two different things, no?

What's the difference between infringing upon the copyright of software companies or porn companies?

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Hey great, now you can tell those warez webmasters they should sign up under you and become a real earner cause you got GFY that far you'll cost them their income.

And a extra edit, it is plugrush selling the traffic from warez sites to webmasters here, and now you make it our responsibility to clean up the mess? Rates dropping? If warez was such productive traffic their numbers would have gone up, their responsibility, and yet again you make it ours.

Fact was we as industry sucked right? one of your statements, so do it yourself.

And posting it here? Do you also want us to send you their ICQ so you contact them with a better/replacement deal? Traffic is traffic, i know how you think. When you asked me in 2007 to check up your signbucks and tell me if the idea was OK, I was thinking you where fair and your left hand knew what the right hand was doing. But u have such a sneaky way of playing out people in the industry and gain profit from this.

[notinmybackyard]

Why is it that it appears every Internet based business seems to get away of transfering responsiblity for the operation of their business on 3rd parties?

Tube site and file lockers = Not our fault someone else uploaded it
Ad networks = We have no way to police these sites


I have been making porn a long time. But because I put the majority of my product on DVD I would be arrested under an hour if I did not take responsibility for my business. I can just imagine throwing out the need for paper work and just asking an actrice to click on something to verify she is over 18. Or claiming I accidentally sent my DVDs to Toys R Us because I have no way of verifying who requested a copies.

It is not rocket science....
You do not put in place any system that you can not directly control. Unless of course your business is somehow based on not being in control.

OK..
I hope for all of your sakes this is the start of a new trend of responsibility and business ethics in the american porn industry

[Markul]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

It is not rocket science....
You do not put in place any system that you can not directly control. Unless of course your business is somehow based on not being in control.

Come on man, that's the same as saying internet providers need to police that no one uses their connection to do something illegal or asking postal services to open all packages because they have to check that people aren't sending illegal or dangerous goods.

Or asking search engines to only index legal things and make sure that their visitors in every single country cannot access illegal content via their product.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

Come on man, that's the same as saying internet providers need to police that no one uses their connection to do something illegal or asking postal services to open all packages because they have to check that people aren't sending illegal or dangerous goods.

Or asking search engines to only index legal things and make sure that their visitors in every single country cannot access illegal content via their product.

Postal services have strict laws and they will personally nail you to the wall if you use their services for fraud or prohibited items. Why do you think pornographers use private delivery services such as UPS in the United States? (And yes they will and do open mail on a regular basis... writ not required.)

In the United States Internet service providers fall under the control of the Federal Communications Commission. They have clearly stated that "Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice." Now in the United States the interpretation appears to be a subject of debate. It is more of this cat and mouse game that is played. The ISPs make a huge amount of money from ilegal activity so they claim ignorance.

However in my country I was pirated and I just outright sued the ISP after having called the police. They paid me a settlement to go away.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Postal services have strict laws and they will personally nail you to the wall if you use their services for fraud or prohibited items. Why do you think pornographers use private delivery services such as UPS in the United States? (And yes they will and do open mail on a regular basis... writ not required.)

In the United States Internet service providers fall under the control of the Federal Communications Commission. They have clearly stated that "Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice." Now in the United States the interpretation appears to be a subject of debate. It is more of this cat and mouse game that is played. The ISPs make a huge amount of money from ilegal activity so they claim ignorance.

However in my country I was pirated and I just outright sued the ISP after having called the police. They paid me a settlement to go away.

Yea, the services has terms. Just like ad-network has terms. Same same. Still doesn't change the fact that it's fairly silly to ask people to pre-police everything that goes on with their services.

That would mean search engines, hosting providers, ad-networks, ISP, phone companies, postal services and so many other providers of some sort of communication or infrastructure. Companies would simply go out of business.

That's also why it will never happen. Sure the services needs to react when their terms are violated, but to actively monitor everything that goes on is just not going to be possible.

[DamianJ]

Is it just me? I find it somewhat hard to believe that any porn ad network gets SO many requests daily from new sites that it is impossible to take 30 seconds to actually LOOK at the site and see if it is full of juarez or not...

[Markul]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Is it just me? I find it somewhat hard to believe that any porn ad network gets SO many requests daily from new sites that it is impossible to take 30 seconds to actually LOOK at the site and see if it is full of juarez or not...

Just because a site is OK today, doesn't mean it's not changed 5 mins after it's approved. Policing would have to be a continuous thing.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Markul

Just because a site is OK today, doesn't mean it's not changed 5 mins after it's approved. Policing would have to be a continuous thing.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

Yea, the services has terms. Just like ad-network has terms. Same same. Still doesn't change the fact that it's fairly silly to ask people to pre-police everything that goes on with their services.

Well the law certainly asks me to do that does it not ??

I print all over the packing of my DVDs warning labels. I go out of my way to keep it out of the hands of children but moment some angry mother or bible thumping asshole calls the police. Do you know what the first question they ask me is?

What am I doing to prevent this from getting into the hands of children. They do not give a rat's ass what my policies or as you put it, "terms and conditions" are. They want to know what it is that I am doing to enforce them.

In the real world this " oh it is not my fault shit" does not fly. And it is not just gun stores, booze stores, porn shops, etc... It is everyone from auto manufacturers to department stores has to poney up and put in a minimum effort to enforce their policies. No one.. I repeat no one in the real world gets to say, "it is not practical or feasiable and it is fairly silly to ask people to pre-police everything."

I would be sitting in jail if I tried to pull the shit the ISPs and tube sites do. I will tell you exactly what a judge would say to me or any other real pornographer. "You stay closed or do not open at all if you can not control what happens with your product."

[Markul]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Well the law certainly asks me to do that does it not ??

No one.. I repeat no one in the real world gets to say, "it is not practical or feasiable and it is fairly silly to ask people to pre-police everything."

My lawyer says different. That's all I can say man.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

My lawyer says different. That's all I can say man.

So give me your lawyer's phone number.

Because I have more than 40 years in porn and I have had my share of problems. If your lawyer is saying it is the contraire to everything I have had to endure and go through over the years... Then I want him to represent me in suing for all my money back plus interest that I have paid out in legal fees, litigation and making sure my back is covered.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

So give me your lawyer's phone number.

Because I have more than 40 years in porn and I have had my share of problems. If your lawyer is saying it is the contraire to everything I have had to endure and go through over the years... Then I want him to represent me in suing for all my money back plus interest that I have paid out in legal fees, litigation and making sure my back is covered.

Yea he's not in the US dude, so I don't think he'll fly over there to represent you

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

What's the difference between infringing upon the copyright of software companies or porn companies?

If they are stating that they are going after warez, they aren't saying that they are going after pirated content.

Which means that them going after warez in particular does nothing for us.

:wink wink:

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

Yea he's not in the US dude, so I don't think he'll fly over there to represent you

Je ne sus pas américain et je suis très capable de payer ses frais de déplacement.

Tell you what...
Just give me his name and what nation he is located in. I will research his contact information on my own. Because I am really interested in being educated on how I have lost so much money during the last 40 years because of legal problems, fees, etc.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

So give me your lawyer's phone number.

Because I have more than 40 years in porn and I have had my share of problems. If your lawyer is saying it is the contraire to everything I have had to endure and go through over the years... Then I want him to represent me in suing for all my money back plus interest that I have paid out in legal fees, litigation and making sure my back is covered.

Can you stop using this font? It makes it hard to read your responses. Thanks.

[Captain Kawaii]

I heard Plugrush bloggers have been booted from Tumblr. Any truth to that? Related?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Just give me his name and what nation he is located in. I will research his contact information on my own. Because I am really interested in being educated on how I have lost so much money during the last 40 years because of legal problems, fees, etc.

[looky_lou]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I heard Plugrush bloggers have been booted from Tumblr. Any truth to that? Related?

Tumblr doesn't allow any affiliate marketing. If they find any affiliate links or ads on your Tumblr sites, they will delete your account.

[famous]

why does anyone need to report anything to plugrush? Does plugrush not have tracking that tells them what urls traffic is being sent from? So why not just check the logs on whos sending you traffic and delete them that way? Seems as if plugrush really wanted to stop them this would be the better way.

[JosephFM]

What about spam networks like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/reportthespa...k_is_evolving/

Can we build fake tubes with redtube embeds and a crap load of plugrush ads around them and set up spam networks.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Je ne sus pas américain et je suis très capable de payer ses frais de déplacement.

Tell you what...
Just give me his name and what nation he is located in. I will research his contact information on my own. Because I am really interested in being educated on how I have lost so much money during the last 40 years because of legal problems, fees, etc.

I don't speak French, I'm Danish ;) But I have visited your country and am actually looking at some tickets to go to Paris with the misses for easter.

Let's take this over ICQ from now on.

[JosephFM]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I heard Plugrush bloggers have been booted from Tumblr. Any truth to that? Related?

Google "tumblr plugrush" and you will see a lot of post on other boards about it. But I'm not sure, since I came across a tumbrl today and it had plugrush ads (maybe there's a way around the ban).

[Markul]

Originally Posted by famous

why does anyone need to report anything to plugrush? Does plugrush not have tracking that tells them what urls traffic is being sent from? So why not just check the logs on whos sending you traffic and delete them that way? Seems as if plugrush really wanted to stop them this would be the better way.

Plugrush has over 10.000 webmasters using their system (no idea how many are active though) and if each has only 10 websites with their widgets, that's 100.000 thousand sites that need to be manually checked.

Think about it. They'd need to have several full time employees doing that to keep up and they need to re-check sites because you never know if people decide to "join the dark side". They would never get to the end before they need to start over.

It's just not going to happen - or at least I hope it's not - because the payroll costs would have to come out of their publishers/advertisers pockets and I'm one of them.

Why don't Google just check all the sites they index for infringing content? If you really wanted to do something about this problem, why not start with the biggest contributor to piracy? If all infringing sites was de-listed from Google that would more or less solve the bulk of the problem.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

Why don't Google just check all the sites they index for infringing content? If you really wanted to do something about this problem, why not start with the biggest contributor to piracy? If all infringing sites was de-listed from Google that would more or less solve the bulk of the problem.

I agree.. Google is the biggest theft operation on the planent.

To that you should follow up on the some of the recent events.

Google got its ass kicked by Brazil's press agency.
The reasons cited,
Google kills sales... google search gets by defacto the content for free... google deals with pirates. And all legal venus did NOT hold that google was incapable of verifying. As one member of the legal negotiating team said, "you do not put in place a system you can not control." (( It is where I got the expression))

Google is going through the exact same thing with the french press. The french president has even had to step in threaten google. Again the words, "Get control" were reportedly used by the french president in a meeting.

Google had to pay the Belgium press 6$ million copyright fee. Furthermore google threaten to delist the Belgium press agencies and the Belgium press responded "Suits us just fine." Also this time when google used that they *can not verify* excuse, the response was.... "too bad for Google"."

For the americains...
Google had pay $500 million to the Justice Department and admitted that the company’s advertising service helped online pharmacies sell prescription drugs illegally. Again no one was accepting the excuse that they can not verify.

Legitimate business always has been and always will be about control. Control of your assets, who you do business with, your expenditures, etc. No one becomes succesful by being a hack.

Therefore anyone claiming they can not control a certain is aspect of their operation is obviously just looking the other way because it benefits them......

[Markul]

I was actually being ironic with that Google bit. I think that events like those you describe are a big problem for everyone - it's (usually) people that have an obsolete business model they desperately want to hang on to, that go to lawyers to try and punish third parties because they can't get the hands on the actual trouble makers.

Making everyone responsible for everything is just not a way I like to see the whole IPO debate go.

I do believe that when illegal things are reported to service providers, that you have to act on it when the claim is legal. But to ask people to monitor everything in the service is just stupid. In many cases it can't be done.

There are degrees of control man. You set some unrealistic demands for services, but that's pretty easy since it's not your service. What if someone held you accountable for me buying you DVD and showing it to minors.. would that be fair? Fuck no. That's my problem, not yours.

People should only be held accountable for their own actions (or lack thereof). But no way would I every accept that I had to constantly screen my service. Just like I don't think every single data center, DNS provider, sattelite provider (what about GPS services lol) or ISP is monitoring everything just because someone has some intellectual properties that are being violated. People like you are blowing it way out of proportion man. No offence but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here

[kyro]

typical stupid porn people. 40 posts in this thread arguing with each other and not one person is posting links to see if plugrush is even going to stand by their words.

you have them publicly saying they will disable sites but they can't police it themselves to bring it to their attention but no one wants to post links to see if they will honor their statements, no it is more fun to argue and try to get each other's lawyer's phone number. No wonder you idiots are broke.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Markul

There are degrees of control man. You set some unrealistic demands for services, but that's pretty easy since it's not your service. What if someone held you accountable for me buying you DVD and showing it to minors.. would that be fair? Fuck no. That's my problem, not yours.

Guess what ...
That is exactly what happen to me last year! Someone purchased one of my DVDs and his curious child got caught with it at school. A couple of days later, there was a knock at my door and questions and lawyers got involved. What ended the questioning was my documentation on the sale and how the sale occured.

In the end that 1 dvd sale cost me about just over a thousand dollars to my lawyer. Not including my lost time, the gas used in my car and having the police being opportunists and going through all my peformer records to make certain I was not filming minors.

I have no beef with you. You certainly seem like a decent person and I am not looking for a fight. But the internet has a real « herd » mentality. One man gets an idea and enough people appear to like it and before you know it... Like pack elephants holding each other tails, they all start doing the same dumb thing believing it is correct. And it only gets worse if someone makes a 10$ in the process.


As for all this blablabla about « Out dated business models »
It is just another example of Internet herds. Because 99% of the people throw that expresson around and have no idea what it really means.

The vast majority of my product is on DVD and I am seeing less and less reasons to go on the Internet. I am not a big shot or a big production house but I have been growing slowly and steadily every year since the early 1980s. I attribute that growth to a strict adhearance to sound orthodox business practices, including always making a quality product and strong customer service.

It may suprise you to know that I still have requests for VHS and last week I even sold an old Super 8 film.

(((( Before anyone asks what I am doing here since I am not selling by the Internet... I came her because of stop file lockers and I am keeping myself informed of the Industry )))

Originally Posted by kyro

typical stupid porn people. 40 posts in this thread arguing with each other and not one person is posting links to see if plugrush is even going to stand by their words.

you have them publicly saying they will disable sites but they can't police it themselves to bring it to their attention but no one wants to post links to see if they will honor their statements, no it is more fun to argue and try to get each other's lawyer's phone number. No wonder you idiots are broke.

I am sure you know the old saying...
If you see a job that needs to be done... Congratulations it is yours.

All I will say is that like in the situation of google, perhaps some of these sites should stop automating their systems and start employing a few human beings to do the job?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by kyro

typical stupid porn people. 40 posts in this thread arguing with each other and not one person is posting links to see if plugrush is even going to stand by their words.

you have them publicly saying they will disable sites but they can't police it themselves to bring it to their attention but no one wants to post links to see if they will honor their statements, no it is more fun to argue and try to get each other's lawyer's phone number. No wonder you idiots are broke.

I reported these two sites to [email protected] earlier in the week

http://fullvidxxx.com

http://porndownisland.com/

To date they have not even been courteous enough to reply, one of these sites is still active with Plugrush.

It seems Plugrush have the ability to stop popup blockers but not the ability to disable widgets on infringing sites.

[kyro]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I reported these two sites to [email protected] earlier in the week

http://fullvidxxx.com

http://porndownisland.com/

To date they have not even been courteous enough to reply, one of these sites is still active with Plugrush.

It seems Plugrush have the ability to stop popup blockers but not the ability to disable widgets on infringing sites.

why waste your time emailing them. it is apparent they are only going to act when its posted publicly. When you email them and they do nothing no one else knows about it. only way to act is to post it here and then everyone can see if they act or not.

[Heath]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I heard Plugrush bloggers have been booted from Tumblr. Any truth to that? Related?

Yes. Plugrush has removed tumblr blogs.

[Heath]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I reported these two sites to [email protected] earlier in the week

http://fullvidxxx.com

http://porndownisland.com/

To date they have not even been courteous enough to reply, one of these sites is still active with Plugrush.

It seems Plugrush have the ability to stop popup blockers but not the ability to disable widgets on infringing sites.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your goal is to get sites to stop sending payments and limit the money flow to infringing sites, if the widget still works, but they're not making any money off of it. Isn't that a good thing? This makes them think they're making money, therefor limiting their income.

Is this not logical?

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Populace

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your goal is to get sites to stop sending payments and limit the money flow to infringing sites, if the widget still works, but they're not making any money off of it. Isn't that a good thing? This makes them think they're making money, therefor limiting their income.

Is this not logical?

Kind of sounds shady though.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Populace

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your goal is to get sites to stop sending payments and limit the money flow to infringing sites, if the widget still works, but they're not making any money off of it. Isn't that a good thing? This makes them think they're making money, therefor limiting their income.

Is this not logical?

Remember the old saying... Just because you hang out with skunks it does not make you a skunk. But you will still end up stinking just as bad.

It is corporate image and anyone that runs a clean tight ship does not want to do business with those deal with shady characters. It comes down to being able to trust those you are dealing with. If the person you are doing business with has one foot in crap, you never know if they are going to one day screw you over for a couple of dollars.

So no it is not logical.

You build your brand image and you take your product seriously. Seriously enough to send a clear message to scumbags that you are not going to take anything from them.

in the end.... A business just like a man is judged by the company he keeps.

[Supern00b]

bump for a good cause......