I See Tubes Pushing Porn

[mopek1]

When I visit the top tube sites I see many of them pushing porn sites or have ads that people pay for, pushing porn sites. Yeah I see some dating and cams too but if they're giving everything away free then why do they still make sales selling porn?

[lucas131]

yeah and i see google pushing tubes, and only tubes, even if the tubes are totally out or search, google is pushing them, like 50 possitions for largetube in first 100 results ... so looks like tubes are making money, also thanks to the total stupid motherfucking google shit

[Harmon]

[Alice22]

Some wanna have that content in better quality.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Alice22

Some wanna have that content in better quality.

But I thought that Tubes were the problem concerning porn sales. That by giving it away free nobody would buy ... and yet they do.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by mopek1

But I thought that Tubes were the problem concerning porn sales. That by giving it away free nobody would buy ... and yet they do.

It's mass volume coupled with low quality.

If you throw enough shit at the wall, eventually some of it will stick.

[lucas131]

as harmon said. with quality seo you can have ratio under 1:300, with tubes you have ratios 1:10000, but tubes have xxxx times more traffic than quality seo website, as tubes are offering the shit for free. now google support thieving tubes, now avn support thieving tubes, oh man fucked up world ...

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by mopek1

When I visit the top tube sites I see many of them pushing porn sites or have ads that people pay for, pushing porn sites. Yeah I see some dating and cams too but if they're giving everything away free then why do they still make sales selling porn?

first you need to define what "making money" is.

If you are a single mother trying to make rent and keep food on your table. I suppose an extra 500$ a month would be considered a lot of money.

But if you are trying to run a production company. You can spend 500$ on food alone.

Having said that,
The Internet is the biggest source of lies that has ever existed and in the lies that are told are incrediably massive. Compared to how these so called "Internet Big Shots" lie a 5 year old child has less of an imagination. And rest assured that they all lie, including google, facebook, manwin, etc.

So whenever you read about these so called riches, just remember to subtract 70% to 90% to get to the truth.

[lezinterracial]

Was wondering ,if everybody figured out how to kill pop-ups. Would the tubes still exist? I would love to know where most of their revenue is made.

[signupdamnit]

Well something is causing these drastic declines to the paysite industry and it isn't the porn fairy no longer loving us. For some tubes they are pushing their own paysites (with other people's content). In other cases part of the content partnership deal might be that they have to push the site. Then if you are smart you simply put up the product which makes you the most money. So even if sales (by ratio) are 50% of what they were in say 2007 it still might make sense to push that paysite if it's better then the alternatives.

[mopek1]

Thanks for the answers guy .,,,

So it's lies + high ratios 1:10000 but with volume. Is that sustainable?

[JamesM]

they will push anything which will make them money.
even those paysite whose full members area they already have for free.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Is that sustainable?

That is what they want you to think.
The truth is that many of the "succesful" tube sites have corporations registered all over the world. They move money from nation to nation always claiming the reason is better tax advantages. When the truth is that money constantly in transit tends to be dirty money.

In my day anyone getting 0.35$ to 0.55$ per dollar was considered a good deal for cleaning the money. So like the banking scams of 2008 were able to use the technology to their advantage... Along comes some greedy programer puppets to provide a solution for xxxxxxx

No doubt there is a handful of people making money doing business with the tube sites... No con job can be succesful unless it has some people it can point to in order claim and maintain it's illusion of legitimacy...

But I speculate that a large number of the so called advertisers on tube sites only exist as legal fiction and as a click thru on the tube site. This way they pay themselves using a foriegn corporation that they secretly own and as fas as the gouvernement in their home nation is concerned, they earned it.

If anyone wanted to launder money the Internet is the ultimate tool because there is no paper trail and forgery is nothing but a key stroke.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

That is what they want you to think.
The truth is that many of the "succesful" tube sites have corporations registered all over the world. They move money from nation to nation always claiming the reason is better tax advantages. When the truth is that money constantly in transit tends to be dirty money.

In my day anyone getting 0.35$ to 0.55$ per dollar was considered a good deal for cleaning the money. So like the banking scams of 2008 were able to use the technology to their advantage... Along comes some greedy programer puppets to provide a solution for xxxxxxx

No doubt there is a handful of people making money doing business with the tube sites... No con job can be succesful unless it has some people it can point to in order claim and maintain it's illusion of legitimacy...

But I speculate that a large number of the so called advertisers on tube sites only exist as legal fiction and as a click thru on the tube site. This way they pay themselves using a foriegn corporation that they secretly own and as fas as the gouvernement in their home nation is concerned, they earned it.

If anyone wanted to launder money the Internet is the ultimate tool because there is no paper trail and forgery is nothing but a key stroke.

I see ... wow ... so I am comparing apples to oranges. I am looking at it in terms of a webmaster doing things by the book they way most of us do on here. Get domains, get content, get traffic and try to make sales.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by mopek1

When I visit the top tube sites I see many of them pushing porn sites or have ads that people pay for, pushing porn sites. Yeah I see some dating and cams too but if they're giving everything away free then why do they still make sales selling porn?

ever buy water?

you can get it for free..

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

ever buy water?

you can get it for free..

I only buy it when tap water is not available.

Or if I am in an area where the tap water sucks for some reason.

[Ross]

Here's a thought, Porn still sells.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Ross

Here's a thought, Porn still sells.

Of course it does.

But you have to turn the proverbail deaf ear towards all the hype, the con jobs and outright lies. Then just go back to basic business practices and principals. My Internet foot print is almost non-existant, the majority of my product is distributed the old fashion way. (Including mail order)

The medium which one uses to deliver the content may change. (ie: film to vhs to dvd to internet) But the content remains the same and this is where the game is played.

Again turn a deaf ear towards the hype. (Including self professed fans)
Then start making a list of those that actually spend money and buy from you. It is best if you do not actually talk to them but examine what it is they spend most on. Then cross reference that with what others are buying from you.

Over time what you want to do is figure out what makes your best buyers get hard. Then figure out how to make them loyal by finding ways to get your product as close to them as possible without ever loosing control of your product.

[Robbie]

Most of the paysites you see on the big tubes are desperate for traffic and buying those ad spots hoping that something will indeed "stick".

It's not the tube sites themselves promoting the paysite like a real affiliate would. It's ad space being sold.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Most of the paysites you see on the big tubes are desperate for traffic and buying those ad spots hoping that something will indeed "stick".

It's not the tube sites themselves promoting the paysite like a real affiliate would. It's ad space being sold.

Yes cause they just love to waste money right?

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Roald

Yes cause they just love to waste money right?

Because they do not know any better.

[Jesse1984]

Content partner programs. Tubes as affiliates.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

Yes cause they just love to waste money right?

Well...I talk to a lot of them personally. And they aren't all jumping for joy at the results. And when I used trafficjunky for a week...I saw NOTHING. I will get a ton of real traffic and some sales today from a gallery running on The Hun for free.

Some people don't know WHAT to do to get enough traffic and sales to sustain their paysites at the level they need to be.
So they buy an ad spot on a tube site.

Try opening your own paysite Roald. Then go buy an ad spot on Pornhub and see how that works out for you. Then you can make smartass wisecracks with some actual experience of what happens with that shit traffic from a tube for a paysite.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I only buy it when tap water is not available.

Or if I am in an area where the tap water sucks for some reason.

cause you're sane.. the best is people who buy 15 buck water

just.. so.. funny..

[Turf]

Originally Posted by JesseFame

Content partner programs. Tubes as affiliates.

Not everyone is just trying to sell ad space.. some do both and some work off affiliate commission like "regular" affiliates do..

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by Harmon

This. Is. Hilarious.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Turf

Not everyone is just trying to sell ad space.. some do both and some work off affiliate commission like "regular" affiliates do..

I'm referring to tube sites that have a lot of user upload and full scenes (sometimes full members areas).

A "legit" tube can and will make sales as an affiliate (I do with my tube site). But the massive traffic tubes like Pornhub and it's ilk? Not so much.
I've documented my personal experience with their "content partner" program (what a joke that term is).

And after 6 months...my videos had millions of views. And Pornhub had a handful of sales to me and very little traffic actually coming to my site.

It worked out great for Pornhub...giving them free content. Not so well for the paysite.

But I wanted to have an open mind and see for myself.

And as I said a few minutes ago: I'll make more sales and get more traffic to my site TODAY (in one day) with the PICTURE gallery that is running on The Hun for free.

[CurrentlySober]

i kunt a4d a pube...

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Well...I talk to a lot of them personally. And they aren't all jumping for joy at the results. And when I used trafficjunky for a week...I saw NOTHING. I will get a ton of real traffic and some sales today from a gallery running on The Hun for free.

Some people don't know WHAT to do to get enough traffic and sales to sustain their paysites at the level they need to be.
So they buy an ad spot on a tube site.

Try opening your own paysite Roald. Then go buy an ad spot on Pornhub and see how that works out for you. Then you can make smartass wisecracks with some actual experience of what happens with that shit traffic from a tube for a paysite.

I talk to a lot of people too Robbie, big programs and big affiliates ;)

Sure ratios might not be as good as the good old days but tubes DO sell memberships. Big respect for the Hun but for most even his traffic is not converting like it used to do. So I have been told ;)

Using TJ for a week doesnt say anything either. What did you do in that week to optimise? Did you just send it to your tour page and indeed hoped it would stick?

The affiliate market is not anymore what it used to be I agree. It's more a business now then ever and simply serving someone porn and a join page is not always working anymore.

But hey, what do I know huh I have no experience what so ever and can only make smartass replies ;)))

PS, did you get my mail like 2 weeks ago?

[SmutHammer]

Tubes are the biggest money killer to the porn industry. To many people feel porn is free. Take away full length porn, use only teasers on tubes and paysites will boom with $$$!

Best thing that could happen to this industry is to make nudity illegal unless it's behind a members area accessed by a credit card. But even then, Tubes would just charge $1. and we would again be fighting with that...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

But hey, what do I know huh I have no experience what so ever and can only make smartass replies ;)))

PS, did you get my mail like 2 weeks ago?

I'm not saying you don't have experience as an affiliate. I'm saying that actually owning a paysite and trying out that traffic for yourself would confirm what your common sense should already tell you.

Why you insist on making smartass replies is something I don't understand about your personality.

The email you sent...respectfully, I'm not interested in doing that at the moment. I don't think that giving away more free stuff is really the answer right now. And we are doing great without having to do that.
Matter of fact, I'm having far more success with picture galleries than anything video related at the moment for making sales.

I think that the average surfer is so overwhelmed with free video everywhere, that the picture galleries are like a breath of fresh air...kinda like everything old is new again.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not saying you don't have experience as an affiliate. I'm saying that actually owning a paysite and trying out that traffic for yourself would confirm what your common sense should already tell you.

Why you insist on making smartass replies is something I don't understand about your personality.

The email you sent...respectfully, I'm not interested in doing that at the moment. I don't think that giving away more free stuff is really the answer right now. And we are doing great without having to do that.
Matter of fact, I'm having far more success with picture galleries than anything video related at the moment for making sales.

I think that the average surfer is so overwhelmed with free video everywhere, that the picture galleries are like a breath of fresh air...kinda like everything old is new again.

Re-read the email please cause thats completely the opposite of what I send you.

PS, Not replying to emails with a simple "no thank you" is something I dont understand about people ;)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

Re-read the email please cause thats completely the opposite of what I send you.

PS, Not replying to emails when not interested with a simple "no thank you" is something I dont understand about people ;)

Sorry about that...I had actually replied to you in another thread when you asked me about it. And then I deleted the email as I thought it would be redundant to answer you twice.

That's my fault. I apologize. I was extremely busy the last few weeks getting ready for Internext and AEE but that's not a good excuse.

I promise to answer your emails ASAP from now on.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sorry about that...I had actually replied to you in another thread when you asked me about it. And then I deleted the email as I thought it would be redundant to answer you twice.

That's my fault. I apologize. I was extremely busy the last few weeks getting ready for Internext and AEE but that's not a good excuse.

I promise to answer your emails ASAP from now on.

Missed that one obviously.

If you still think we want to give away more free content you are completely wrong but its ok, never mind.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

That is what they want you to think.
The truth is that many of the "succesful" tube sites have corporations registered all over the world. They move money from nation to nation always claiming the reason is better tax advantages. When the truth is that money constantly in transit tends to be dirty money.

In my day anyone getting 0.35$ to 0.55$ per dollar was considered a good deal for cleaning the money. So like the banking scams of 2008 were able to use the technology to their advantage... Along comes some greedy programer puppets to provide a solution for xxxxxxx

No doubt there is a handful of people making money doing business with the tube sites... No con job can be succesful unless it has some people it can point to in order claim and maintain it's illusion of legitimacy...

But I speculate that a large number of the so called advertisers on tube sites only exist as legal fiction and as a click thru on the tube site. This way they pay themselves using a foriegn corporation that they secretly own and as fas as the gouvernement in their home nation is concerned, they earned it.

If anyone wanted to launder money the Internet is the ultimate tool because there is no paper trail and forgery is nothing but a key stroke.

I'm sorry man but sometimes the things I read on this board simply make me LOL very very loud.

So what you are saying is the "advertisers" on the tubes are 75% fake just to make it look like people are buying ads in order to keep it "legtimate"? Jesus christ man listen to yourself.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Tubes are the biggest money killer to the porn industry. To many people feel porn is free. Take away full length porn, use only teasers on tubes and paysites will boom with $$$!

Best thing that could happen to this industry is to make nudity illegal unless it's behind a members area accessed by a credit card. But even then, Tubes would just charge $1. and we would again be fighting with that...

The best thing that could happen to this industry is for Google to drop the tubes from their search results and give the traffic back to TGPS, Blogs and the like.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

Missed that one obviously.

If you still think we want to give away more free content you are completely wrong but its ok, never mind.

I don't know what to think because I obviously misread what you are wanting to do.
I'm trying to remember the email...and what I took away from reading it was that you wanted to make a profile and have me upload our content for CM to it?

And I was thinking: "why would I want to give you traffic with my content" instead of the other way around.

Where did I go wrong in what I was thinking?
Again, I apologize for not answering your email. That was just not professional of me.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't know what to think because I obviously misread what you are wanting to do.
I'm trying to remember the email...and what I took away from reading it was that you wanted to make a profile and have me upload our content for CM to it?

And I was thinking: "why would I want to give you traffic with my content" instead of the other way around.

Where did I go wrong in what I was thinking?
Again, I apologize for not answering your email. That was just not professional of me.

re-read the email and email me back if you want more info or have questions. No need to go off topic in this thread ;)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

re-read the email and email me back if you want more info or have questions. No need to go off topic in this thread ;)

I deleted it like a dumbass.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Ramster

I'm sorry man but sometimes the things I read on this board simply make me LOL very very loud.

So what you are saying is the "advertisers" on the tubes are 75% fake just to make it look like people are buying ads in order to keep it "legtimate"? Jesus christ man listen to yourself.

And it was rumoured that Pietro Sciara was actually polish.

What I am saying is that I smell shit.

So you can play with the numbers all you want and happy talk the dummies and maybe yourself into believing that there is not something stinking up the place. But in the end I do not care and I am not going to pretend that roses comme in a new brown fragrance.

Bref I have a pretty good guess where the money is actually coming from and trust me it has nothing to do with porn.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I deleted it like a dumbass.

I can send you if you like.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

What I am saying is that I smell shit.

Funny. I smell shit every time you post.

Also, LOL at Robbie trying to school Roald on how things work.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Roald

Yes cause they just love to waste money right?

Money launderers need to.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by epitome

Also, LOL at Robbie trying to school Roald on how things work.

You "LOL" at me for telling Roald that he needs to run a paysite and see how a tube like Pornhub converts?

Okay, that makes sense.

I guess that's why some people are winners and some aren't in this world. Have fun with your senseless posting epitome. I'll just keep on making money.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You "LOL" at me for telling Roald that he needs to run a paysite and see how a tube like Pornhub converts?

Okay, that makes sense.

I guess that's why some people are winners and some aren't in this world. Have fun with your senseless posting epitome. I'll just keep on making money.

Wasn't this true of cybercat spots and drinkinghards business back when they pushed tgp traffic. The affiliate could not buy the spots and do ok and it got to the point where the pay sites could not either. But people still bought feeling if they broke even it would work out as their volume was up.

Big blocks of traffic sell for more then it is "worth".

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by slapass

Wasn't this true of cybercat spots and drinkinghards business back when they pushed tgp traffic. The affiliate could not buy the spots and do ok and it got to the point where the pay sites could not either. But people still bought feeling if they broke even it would work out as their volume was up.

Big blocks of traffic sell for more then it is "worth".

Anybody buying "traffic" is getting crap. (sorry traffic brokers)

Buying an ad spot is a whole different animal. If you buy a link on The Hun you should be easily able to get a great ROI on that.

When we used to sell ad spots on our TGP's I know for a fact that people made great money with it because we would only sell a handful because we made so much money off of our tgp's ourselves that we didn't want to sell those spots to other people

Matter of fact I was just hanging out with Angel (Exploited) at Internext and he was reminiscing that he used to send me ten grand a month every month and it was the best money he ever spent.

Tube traffic is nowhere near the quality that we had (or the Hun has, or any of the REAL, non-circlejerk TGP's had)

[Some Guy]

On a related note, I was told by a few people that advertising my sites on the major tube sites is the way to get them exposure and get them making good money. I decided to test this out by partnering up with a large tube site (that shall rename nameless) and uploaded a video that quickly got well over 100,000 views and a 90% approval rating. Lots of positive viewer feedback about the model and the site. Yet, out of the thousands and thousands of clicks the banner got... it only made one sale. Figuring it may just be some weird fluke I uploaded another great video that got a ton of views and banner clicks yet that also made one sale.

Most people using tube sites aren't about to shell out money for a site. Why would they when they can get everything for free? Made me really wonder how these tube sites do make money. I'm sure most of it's because of Google.

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Most people using tube sites aren't about to shell out money for a site. Why would they when they can get everything for free? Made me really wonder how these tube sites do make money. I'm sure most of it's because of Google.

Me too. Would love to see how much they make off PPC ads and pop-ups compared to sales. My guess is that is where alot of cash is coming in.

Notice they have movie trailers on their sites now too, Just seen "Movie 42" so far. But shows they are dipping into other forms of ads.

[Jel]

2.4m views on 1 tube, average rating 77% (across 17 vids), good comments, 3 sales. Obviously there are variables involved, but I've yet to see glowing praise from any paysite owner who is a content partner.

Pre-tubes I was doing ~1:300, and ~$58 per join. Take that info how you will

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Jel

Take that info how you will

I take that info as the truth about tube traffic. You tried it, you saw the results. You're reporting the same thing that I and other paysite owners have seen with it.

Yes...our common sense and judgement was 100% right on the money when we all first thought: "Hey, if you give away the WHOLE thing (not just small clips or pictures) then they don't need to actually buy it and certainly not rebill"