If you don't push YanksCash now would you if we added the CCbill/NATS integration?

[Yanks_Todd]

A few years ago, we had some bumps in our relationship with CCbill and therefore bumped them WAY down our cascade. However I would like to work with some of the great affiliates who for very logical reasons will only push programs using CCbill for payouts. So in the interest of growing the program by adding more quality partners I am considering using the CCbill integration that NATS offers.

So my questions are;

Do you push YanksCash now?

Would you if you could and get paid via CCbill?

If not what are you looking for in an affiliate program that we aren't providing?

Thanks

[lucas131]

great thread now when ccbill is almost not giving sales last few days

[Far-L]

Not trying to discourage your efforts, just adding my professional and confessional 2 cents... so it is back to the bargain basement price of a penny for my thoughts, take them or leave them...

The webmasters that are "I only promote CCbill programs" will take up more of your time for less traffic and of course at a reduction of profit per sale as well. So in my opinion, not really worth it in the long run.

Been there, done that, and lived to bitch about it on GFY...

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by lucas131

great thread now when ccbill is almost not giving sales last few days

That comes and goes though right? It's not like everyone is bailing on CCbill for good THIS time.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Not trying to discourage your efforts, just adding my professional and confessional 2 cents... so it is back to the bargain basement price of a penny for my thoughts, take them or leave them...

The webmasters that are "I only promote CCbill programs" will take up more of your time for less traffic and of course at a reduction of profit per sale as well. So in my opinion, not really worth it in the long run.

Been there, done that, and lived to bitch about it on GFY...

I was actually going to ask if any program owners have had experience with doing this. I was also interested in the one-click up-sell potential of members area trades for other CCbill sites. Have you tried that?

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

That comes and goes though right? It's not like everyone is bailing on CCbill for good THIS time.

not saying its dead and forever, just your post had a good timing

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I was actually going to ask if any program owners have had experience with doing this. I was also interested in the one-click up-sell potential of members area trades for other CCbill sites. Have you tried that?

While I cannot say that I have an analytic specifically on that, I would still consider it not worth the amount ccbill charges, imho, unless you can generate some serious volume to make it worth while... and in today's market? I think that is just a Sisyphean task.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

That comes and goes though right? It's not like everyone is bailing on CCbill for good THIS time.

I wouldn't invest my time and effort on that right now man, try and push it to ccbill affiliates first and wait a couple more months..send out a email to your internal ccbill affiliates.

[Yanks_Todd]

just a bump to continue gathering info

[signupdamnit]

After reading your messages here over the years you would be one of the ones who I would trust to pay me what you owe. You seem to have some integrity and sense. But CCBill is always a plus to small to midsize affiliates since there are no minimums. The greater problem here is that most paysites just don't convert for most affiliates. Under 1:1,000 and I'm excited these days and that is worth it to me but most are over 1:2,000 now and there is no point with that.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

After reading your messages here over the years you would be one of the ones who I would trust to pay me what you owe. You seem to have some integrity and sense. But CCBill is always a plus to small to midsize affiliates since there are no minimums. The greater problem here is that most paysites just don't convert for most affiliates. Under 1:1,000 and I'm excited these days and that is worth it to me but most are over 1:2,000 now and there is no point with that.

Thanks for the compliment and the insight, I appreciate it.

[kane]

To be honest I hadn't heard of Yanks cash before, but I am going to sign up. the stroke site will work well for a project I have coming up.

Nats would be cool too

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by kane

To be honest I hadn't heard of Yanks cash before, but I am going to sign up. the stroke site will work well for a project I have coming up.

Nats would be cool too

That's awesome. I will look for your sign-up and approve you right away. Let me know if you need anything.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

That's awesome. I will look for your sign-up and approve you right away. Let me know if you need anything.

Cool. I just signed up. The site I put in the url section isn't live yet, but it will be in the next couple of days as I get everything uploaded.

[NETbilling]

Todd,

CCbill is a great option to add. As we have seen over the past 15 years as many processors have come and go, the more options the better.

Since you have been using NETbilling for so long, you know that it is all about numbers and as long you are paying your affiliates honestly, most will work with you regardless of the processor. It comes down to conversions, honesty and integrity and you have it. Yes there are some affiliates will only work with programs if a specific processor is doing the payouts but over the past several years since most of the larger and medium sized programs have started using their own merchant accounts, to do so is a bit short sighted IMO. However, some insist on it and using CCbill, Paycom, or Segpay are a good way to as a secondary option.

All the best, Mitch

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by kane

Cool. I just signed up. The site I put in the url section isn't live yet, but it will be in the next couple of days as I get everything uploaded.

Your active now, sorry I think I may have denied it first accidentally, doh!

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

Todd,

CCbill is a great option to add. As we have seen ove

I will hit you up tomorrow as I think the important part got nixed.

[NETbilling]

Just reposed it all
Hit me up anytime

[NETbilling]

Todd - if you emailed me I did not get it so please resend

[looky_lou]

I would give you a try with ccbill. There are other benefits using the nats-ccbill integration beyond having ccbill payout available, but the ccbill payout is preferable to me.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

Todd,

CCbill is a great option to add. As we have seen over the past 15 years as many processors have come and go, the more options the better.

Since you have been using NETbilling for so long, you know that it is all about numbers and as long you are paying your affiliates honestly, most will work with you regardless of the processor. It comes down to conversions, honesty and integrity and you have it. Yes there are some affiliates will only work with programs if a specific processor is doing the payouts but over the past several years since most of the larger and medium sized programs have started using their own merchant accounts, to do so is a bit short sighted IMO. However, some insist on it and using CCbill, Paycom, or Segpay are a good way to as a secondary option.

All the best, Mitch

I know you are trying your best to be politically correct and the answer you give is spot on, but allow me to translate it without the concerns over ruffling any feathers, stepping on any toes, pushing any buttons, pitching any bitches, etc.

"Todd, you are going to be throwing money away that you don't need to be that your affiliates already are benefiting from getting because you run an honest program so if you are gung-ho to do that then do it in a way that works best".

btw... having someone in the banking and credit industry like you say Todd runs an honest program is serious kudos. I know you don't pay those kind of compliments lightly.

For the record, we stopped using CCbill and our "ccbill only" affiliates are much happier. People need to realize that honest programs that make more money not paying CCbill's high rates often pass on some of that benefit to affiliates with higher pay outs on revshare for example. Those programs, like Yanks Cash, are some of the most enduring, stable, trustworthy companies out there. Our affiliates will be the judge if we measure up to that too.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by looky_lou

I would give you a try with ccbill. There are other benefits using the nats-ccbill integration beyond having ccbill payout available, but the ccbill payout is preferable to me.

What's your email, skype or ICQ. I would love to chat.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I know you are trying your best to be politically correct and the answer you give is spot on, but allow me to translate it without the concerns over ruffling any feathers, stepping on any toes, pushing any buttons, pitching any bitches, etc.

"Todd, you are going to be throwing money away that you don't need to be that your affiliates already are benefiting from getting because you run an honest program so if you are gung-ho to do that then do it in a way that works best".

btw... having someone in the banking and credit industry like you say Todd runs an honest program is serious kudos. I know you don't pay those kind of compliments lightly.

For the record, we stopped using CCbill and our "ccbill only" affiliates are much happier. People need to realize that honest programs that make more money not paying CCbill's high rates often pass on some of that benefit to affiliates with higher pay outs on revshare for example. Those programs, like Yanks Cash, are some of the most enduring, stable, trustworthy companies out there. Our affiliates will be the judge if we measure up to that too.

Wow, I am blown away with such kind words. It's very appreciated. I sent it to Billie and she actually got a bit teary. It really means a lot coming from you and the advice is very appreciated and will absolutely be part of my end decision.

[looky_lou]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

What's your email, skype or ICQ. I would love to chat.

ICQ 173817405

[roganoli]

I appreciate!

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Wow, I am blown away with such kind words. It's very appreciated. I sent it to Billie and she actually got a bit teary. It really means a lot coming from you and the advice is very appreciated and will absolutely be part of my end decision.

One good counterpoint has been raised, imo, and that is affiliates can get paid out easily and quickly if there is only a 1$ minimum to reach. Non-CCbill programs don't have to necessarily set high minimum payouts - that has more to do with setting a certain bar of expectations and mediating costs per sale - since programs don't want to waste resources these days on affiliates that send one sale a year but ask everyday for something that strains the service that could be provided to more productive affiliates.

For us, we set the bar pretty low, 50$ minimum, which is two or three sales per month. We feel that is reasonably attainable goal for even the newest of the newbies.

Obviously, we all know that one sale a month affiliate might be your whale a year or two down the line, so treating every affiliate as a valuable asset is important. However, at the end of the day, you have to be very measured about where the valuable resource TIME is spent because if you lop side your efforts for those that don't produce enough sales to merit the cost of that time, and at the expense of productive affiliates, then that is a huge risk to take.

We all have seen so many programs die out and oftentimes that is the main reason why.

[roganoli]

Originally Posted by Far-L

One good counterpoint has been raised, imo, and that is affiliates can get paid out easily and quickly if there is only a 1$ minimum to reach. Non-CCbill programs don't have to necessarily set high minimum payouts - that has more to do with setting a certain bar of expectations and mediating costs per sale - since programs don't want to waste resources these days on affiliates that send one sale a year but ask everyday for something that strains the service that could be provided to more productive affiliates.

For us, we set the bar pretty low, 50$ minimum, which is two or three sales per month. We feel that is reasonably attainable goal for even the newest of the newbies.

Obviously, we all know that one sale a month affiliate might be your whale a year or two down the line, so treating every affiliate as a valuable asset is important. However, at the end of the day, you have to be very measured about where the valuable resource TIME is spent because if you lop side your efforts for those that don't produce enough sales to merit the cost of that time, and at the expense of productive affiliates, then that is a huge risk to take.

We all have seen so many programs die out and oftentimes that is the main reason why.

This industry is full of crooks and you think it is that affiliates are the culprits when the programs die...

Search this forum for programs that are not paying and you will know who is to blame!

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by roganoli

This industry is full of crooks and you think it is that affiliates are the culprits when the programs die...

Search this forum for programs that are not paying and you will know who is to blame!

I don't disagree with you at all but you are taking what I am saying the wrong way. Typically it is the honest programs that fail for the reason I describe.

The dishonest programs that fuck over affiliates, both big and small, are another problem entirely. I couldn't agree with you more.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Far-L

One good counterpoint has been raised, imo, and that is affiliates can get paid out easily and quickly if there is only a 1$ minimum to reach. Non-CCbill programs don't have to necessarily set high minimum payouts - .....
.....

....We all have seen so many programs die out and oftentimes that is the main reason why.

The low thresh hold is a good point, ours is $100 now, we might take a look at that. To be completely transparent the only real concern I have is if affiliates start switching over. That wouldn't make sense as our processing stack will capture more sales, but I understand the affiliates believing they are safer with CCBill then a program given the recent history. If we sign up new affiliates that I wouldn't have gotten anyway it just makes the pie bigger and the extra processing percentages don't really bug me.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The low thresh hold is a good point, ours is $100 now, we might take a look at that. To be completely transparent the only real concern I have is if affiliates start switching over. That wouldn't make sense as our processing stack will capture more sales, but I understand the affiliates believing they are safer with CCBill then a program given the recent history. If we sign up new affiliates that I wouldn't have gotten anyway it just makes the pie bigger and the extra processing percentages don't really bug me.

Ok, but when I look at your program I see one that has been around for years that has never ever not even once that I can recall been on the "scammer" accusation list. In fact, Yanks is one of the few programs I can think of that has had ONLY nice things said about the professionalism, quality, conversions, etc. If affiliates just did some tiny bit of due diligence before pushing a program they would avoid 99% of the problems that seem so systemic because it is like an endless cycle of pain and suffering getting into unsavory programs...

Besides, any affiliate that feels "safer" with CCbill is just delusional and you are best to avoid them entirely.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I know you are trying your best to be politically correct and the answer you give is spot on, but allow me to translate it without the concerns over ruffling any feathers, stepping on any toes, pushing any buttons, pitching any bitches, etc.

"Todd, you are going to be throwing money away that you don't need to be that your affiliates already are benefiting from getting because you run an honest program so if you are gung-ho to do that then do it in a way that works best".

btw... having someone in the banking and credit industry like you say Todd runs an honest program is serious kudos. I know you don't pay those kind of compliments lightly.

For the record, we stopped using CCbill and our "ccbill only" affiliates are much happier. People need to realize that honest programs that make more money not paying CCbill's high rates often pass on some of that benefit to affiliates with higher pay outs on revshare for example. Those programs, like Yanks Cash, are some of the most enduring, stable, trustworthy companies out there. Our affiliates will be the judge if we measure up to that too.

All good points... Hit me up via email as I have an invitation for you