I can only drive a vehicle I don't own and it has to be my employer

[MrMaxwell]

So apparently I can drive, but only with an interlock device. . OR I can drive an employers vehicle for normal business activities. I can own no part of the business OR the vehicle.

(I'm not going to get the interlock, period)

SO


I am self employed

And I have business activities

The problem is, if I am self employed, I own that and the vehicle

So now what

Any bright ideas anyone?

[2013]

I always had someone else blow in the machine

[epitome]

Why wouldn't you get the interlock? Do you plan on drinking and driving again?

Also, you cannot own any part of the company or the vehicle. It's to prevent people from doing exactly what you're trying to do. Why would you think there is a way around that? Also, what do you do for a living that requires you to drive?

[Fat Panda]

you are fucked

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Any bright ideas anyone?

You already skipped the brightest idea...by drinking and driving.

[EddyTheDog]

I doubt there is a legal way around it - You could use a friends company for example, but you would not be doing business for them in the vehicle...

Do what I did when I got my DUI - Sell the car and never drive again.....

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

So apparently I can drive, but only with an interlock device. . OR I can drive an employers vehicle for normal business activities. I can own no part of the business OR the vehicle.

(I'm not going to get the interlock, period)

SO


I am self employed

And I have business activities

The problem is, if I am self employed, I own that and the vehicle

So now what

Any bright ideas anyone?

Incorporate wife, transfer car to that corp, drive

[onwebcam]

Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right. Since you can "drive" another company's vehicle should be proof enough of this. But hey why not be Mexican? You seem to be well versed with the courts so challenge them rather than bend over. Hiring a practicing lawyer to defend you lawfully within a legal system isn't the way to go as you've found.

[CurrentlySober]

How can a vehicle employ you? I doubt you'd ever get paid

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by epitome

Why wouldn't you get the interlock?

Probably doesnt want to pay the monthly fee. I dont know what it is now, but it used to be something like 150 a month. I think id be more worried about what my insurance premiums were going to go up to.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Probably doesnt want to pay the monthly fee. I dont know what it is now, but it used to be something like 150 a month. I think id be more worried about what my insurance premiums were going to go up to.

What is 'Interlock'?

[L-Pink]

A better question is what insurance company will take a chance with you. Most insurance policies require a background check for any employee driving a company car.

Next question, what kind of company provides cars to their entry level employees? Sounds like you are fucked.

Also "normal business activities" doesn't include any driving outside business hours. So what's the point?

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What is 'Interlock'?

A device that installs to your ignition. Before your car will start you have to blow in a breathalyzer. Any alcohol on your breath and it wont start. Also randomly makes you blow while you are driving so you can't just have someone blow in it to start it for you. On the old models people used to just hook air compressors into them, but the new ones make you hum while you blow so they know you are actually breathing into it. Lol

[purecane]

go to "silkroad.com" ,obtain "new identity", drive

[BlackCrayon]

are you sure about that? here in canada you can't drive any cars without an interlock, it doesn't matter who they belong to. you also *have* to have a period where you own a car with an interlock if you ever want to get your license back.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

A better question is what insurance company will take a chance with you. Most insurance policies require a background check for any employee driving a company car.

Next question, what kind of company provides cars to their entry level employees? Sounds like you are fucked.

Also "normal business activities" doesn't include any driving outside business hours. So what's the point?

He's just dreaming.

The simple rule is that,
1. "You can work a job".
2. The job requires driving the company van, then fine to do so during work duties.
3. No fake jobs

It's number 3 that's fucking him up.

[ilnjscb]

I'm not sure where you live but I'd counsel you to have a GF drive you, or a friend. If you have any mistakes while driving under this "plan" of yours, you will likely receive jail time.

[PR_Glen]

can't anyone here help him drink and drive??

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

are you sure about that? here in canada you can't drive any cars without an interlock, it doesn't matter who they belong to. you also *have* to have a period where you own a car with an interlock if you ever want to get your license back.

Maybe they have changed it again recently, but it used to be for a first offence you could opt out of the year with the interlock if you wanted. So you basically wouldnt be able to drive at all for 2 years. Rules always seem to keep getting tougher so maybe that is not the case anymore.

[Choopa Phil]

I will send you a compressed air canister with my 0.00 BAC breath inside. I accept Bitcoins and Paypal for payment.

[docputer]

I know a guy in Kansas who went the year or whatever it was without driving. Had his girlfriend(my daughter) take him everywhere.
At the end of the year, he went to get his DL reinstated, and the state asked for proof of his interlock. He told them he had not driven in the last year. They told he before he could be reinstated, he had to have an interlock for 12 months. His parents paid for a lawyer to try and fight it, but they ended up having to get the interlock and paying the fee for another year.

[Wicked 1]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Any bright ideas anyone?

Stop posting here and focus on straightening out your life instead of feeling sorry for yourself.

You only get out of life what you put in,clearly based on the judgement against you by the court you put too much alcohol in too often.

Now there's a bright idea for you. STOP DRINKING !!

Sincerely,

Captain Obvious.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

...but the new ones make you hum while you blow

[Grapesoda]

dude you are a complete fuck up in every regard, and a perfect reason why society needs police, courts and jails

[globofun]

"Yes your honor, I was arrested again.....but, the guys on GoFuckYourself.com had told me I could do it that way!"

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by globofun

"Yes your honor, I was arrested again.....but, the guys on GoFuckYourself.com had told me I could do it that way!"

Lol, he would say that too.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right.

Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.

[fuzebox]

Here you need to install it on work vehicles too.

[TheSquealer]

I love these daily updates on white trash dilemmas.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.

I think he's referring to those "freemen" that claim everyone has the right to travel. Search youtube for "right to travel traffic stop". There are some great traffic stop videos where these guys claim everything from being able to drive without insurance or license and not having to show ID, etc.

They either end up arrested or the cops walk away confused after 20 minutes of arguing.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I love these daily updates on white trash dilemmas.

Hilarious !

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.

"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In the U.S. a motor vehicle is specifically defined as a contrivance used for commercial purposes. As defined in U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. § 31 : US Code - Section 31: Definitions (6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle

The term "used for commercial puposes" means

"According to 18 USCS § 31, term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/use...cial-purposes/

[baddog]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right.

No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by baddog

No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

See above and below...


For the record, I have personally asked a police officer while on the stand if he as well as the DA were speaking a language other than English. He admitted they were. It's referred to legalese. The average person doesn't think anything about it but everyone (including jurors) except the lawyers and judges understand that more or less there are two separate languages being spoken in a court room. One of those being English the other legalese.

Now imagine if you are in court for whatever reason in some foreign country and you don't know the language. You would have to hire a local "practicing" lawyer.. Otherwise you're fucked. Welcome to Amerika.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by baddog

No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

BTW I'm awaiting your well educated "give me my social security check because my generation allowed this to happen" reply.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

can't anyone here help him drink and drive??

exactly, ridiculous not one of the other rejects got a proper solution huh

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Roald

exactly, ridiculous not one of the other rejects got a proper solution huh

Obviously the answer is to not drink and drive. But there again what definition of drive are we speaking?

Why does there have to be a con job? Do you like being conned? Because either way you look at it there's one group of people who is conning the other when it comes to the legal system.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In the U.S. a motor vehicle is specifically defined as a contrivance used for commercial purposes. As defined in U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. § 31 : US Code - Section 31: Definitions (6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle

The term "used for commercial puposes" means

"According to 18 USCS § 31, term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/use...cial-purposes/

all this is taken away once you break the laws and your license is revoked, just like when you murder someone you lose most of your rights. Are you a 14 year old kid trying to argue with adults here or what?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Obviously the answer is to not drink and drive. But there again what definition of drive are we speaking?

Why does there have to be a con job? Do you like being conned? Because either way you look at it there's one group of people who is conning the other when it comes to the legal system.

Oh my bad, you are a 14 year old, carry on...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

all this is taken away once you break the laws and your license is revoked, just like when you murder someone you lose most of your writes. Are you a 14 year old kid trying to argue with adults here or what?

I could go much further but a license is a privledge to do something which would otherwise be considered illegal. Yes, your company needs a license otherwise it would be illegal. I think I've already proved my point with Supreme Court decisions that traveling isn't a priviledge but a natural right. "Driving" which is considered legally a commercial act is.

Because you can't grasp the fact that you've been conned your whole life shows your 14 year old intelligence level.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The average person doesn't think anything about it but everyone (including jurors) except the lawyers and judges understand that more or less there are two separate languages being spoken in a court room. One of those being English the other legalese. .

Correction: The average person doesn't think anything about it but everyone (including jurors) believes that English is being spoken in a court room. Except the lawyers and judges that know there are two separate languages being spoken. One of those being English the other legalese.

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

A device that installs to your ignition. Before your car will start you have to blow in a breathalyzer. Any alcohol on your breath and it wont start. Also randomly makes you blow while you are driving so you can't just have someone blow in it to start it for you. On the old models people used to just hook air compressors into them, but the new ones make you hum while you blow so they know you are actually breathing into it. Lol

Maxwell should jump at this. The alternative is jail for a long time as he has proved that he has zero self control and it is only a matter of time before he fucks up again.

Stop your whining man, get the interlock, or get the bus/walk.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by epitome

Why wouldn't you get the interlock? Do you plan on drinking and driving again?

Also, you cannot own any part of the company or the vehicle. It's to prevent people from doing exactly what you're trying to do. Why would you think there is a way around that? Also, what do you do for a living that requires you to drive?

I told you, before. The interlock is a dangerous thing. It can violate your probation if it whacks out and from what I read- it's even LESS accurate than the one they fucked me with out on the street in the first place.

NOW I'm reading that I may HAVE TO BUY IT even if I DON'T WANT TO USE IT .... otherwise a year from now I may still be required to have it for a year, even if I wait out the restriction period.

Let these bastards get a hold of YOU some day and you might understand.
I don't need INTERLOCK to keep me from driving DRUNK
I am not one who DRIVES DRUNK in the first god damned place

*I* am the guy who always stopped other morons from driving drunk, put people in cabs, left my car at the bar and walked my ass home
.. so of course, here I am

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Incorporate wife, transfer car to that corp, drive

I thought of some shit like that but I don't want to commit fraud- that'd make things worse.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right. Since you can "drive" another company's vehicle should be proof enough of this. But hey why not be Mexican? You seem to be well versed with the courts so challenge them rather than bend over. Hiring a practicing lawyer to defend you lawfully within a legal system isn't the way to go as you've found.

Right to travel and all of that, great, I understand what you are saying. Technically- legally- they can't even make you have a driver's license or register your vehicle. But guess what, they do, and if you want to challenge them you'd better be REAL WEALTHY and REAL WHITE.

Not to mention IMPLIED CONSENT - look that shit up.

I AM mexican or black or whatever minority you want to mention since I am not MONIED. PWW is NOT a good idea in what's left of America.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Probably doesnt want to pay the monthly fee. I dont know what it is now, but it used to be something like 150 a month. I think id be more worried about what my insurance premiums were going to go up to.

I found out that I have to pay for it and have it installed on a vehicle whether I want to drive or not. For one year.

[L-Pink]

[baryl]

You should fuck off and go to prison where you belong.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

A better question is what insurance company will take a chance with you. Most insurance policies require a background check for any employee driving a company car.

Next question, what kind of company provides cars to their entry level employees? Sounds like you are fucked.

Also "normal business activities" doesn't include any driving outside business hours. So what's the point?

I read it eight times and was amazed, too, but it says NOTHING about hours- thank god.

I figured out where I need to work and insurance ain't going to be a problem. Think in terms of bonded + garage policy type of a deal

I called my agent, too, and as soon as they'll put me valid in terms of having an active licene- I am insured, no problem. It's going to be $87/mo .... use to be $44 .. still, that is fucking amazing considering that the cocksuckers will be forcing me to also file an SR-22 and considering that there is a break in coverage. I was going to carry a non owners policy during the suspension but I could not even keep that.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

An extremely inaccurate joke of a machine which can be used to destroy your life.
It ain't so funny when it's you, man.