How buying an $80,000 Telsa costs the same as a $50,000 Camaro

[2MuchMark]

ARRRGHHHH

I ordered a 2SS/RS/1LE Camaro 6 weeks ago for $50k and am expecting to get it in about 4 weeks or so. Today my phone rang and it was a sales rep from Tesla Motors. Get this:

Financing a Camaro for 76 months will cost about $780.00 per month taxes in, plus about 2-3 fill ups per month for $293.81 per month. Total gas per year at the current prices will cost me $3525.68. total : $1073.81.

An $80k + 15% HST Tesla Model S - $8,000 green tax credit from the Quebec Government. With 3 3.99% financing (A little high but ok) will cost me $1079.81 per month taxes included.

Frustrating! For the same price I can race and beat almost anyone on the road without polluting at all.

Oh well - this will be my last gas car. Next car is a Tesla for sure. Woo!

[2MuchMark]

How fucking sick is this



Just incredible. I WANT!

[d-null]

but wouldn't the electricity costs be comparable to the gas you included on the other?

[JFK]

just buy the Tesla

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Mark, please send me an e-mail when you have a chance...BIZ!



I call shotgun!



ADG

[johnnyloadproductions]

With gas you may get around 15-20% if you are lucky. Cars can get the 40% on the electricity.

Reason is power plants are stationary and are designed to get the best efficiency and not have to worry about weight or what they have to do with materials to do it. Efficiency is usually around 60% factor in powerloss over transmission lines and you might get down to 40% efficiency.

This is the reason why it costs less mpg for electric car than a gas engine, diesel is harder to compete with due to the carnot cycle and the higher compression efficiency. I'd still rather have gas than diesel in the winter however.

[tony286]

what you do if you break down and the nearest tesla dealer is 1000 miles away?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by tony286

what you do if you break down and the nearest tesla dealer is 1000 miles away?

sit and wish you had a camero?

[Slappin Fish]

yep but in 6/7 years your Camaro will still be going strong while the Tesla will need $12 000 (at today's price) new batteries.

[bronco67]

Tesla or Camaro?..definitely a serious first world problem. How will you do it?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

yep but in 6/7 years your Camaro will still be going strong while the Tesla will need $12 000 (at today's price) new batteries.

I always find it interesting how so many ignore how terrible those batteries are for the environment. Really, really bad.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

sit and wish you had a camero?

I almost covered my monitor with coffee.

[dyna mo]

meanwhile, over at fisker...:-(

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by **********

ARRRGHHHH

I ordered a 2SS/RS/1LE Camaro 6 weeks ago for $50k and am expecting to get it in about 4 weeks or so. Today my phone rang and it was a sales rep from Tesla Motors. Get this:

Financing a Camaro for 76 months will cost about $780.00 per month taxes in, plus about 2-3 fill ups per month for $293.81 per month. Total gas per year at the current prices will cost me $3525.68. total : $1073.81.

An $80k + 15% HST Tesla Model S - $8,000 green tax credit from the Quebec Government. With 3 3.99% financing (A little high but ok) will cost me $1079.81 per month taxes included.

Frustrating! For the same price I can race and beat almost anyone on the road without polluting at all.

Oh well - this will be my last gas car. Next car is a Tesla for sure. Woo!

" For the same price I can race and beat almost anyone on the road without polluting at all."

How do you figure? The elctricity that charges the batteries in a Tesla has to come from someplace. Canada is a large producer of hydro, nuclear and fossil-fueled electricity, all of which have heavy-duty environmental impacts.



http://www.electricity.ca/media/Indu...stics_2012.pdf

[Rochard]

If I had a choice between a Camaro and a Tesla, I would go with the Tesla. Everyone has a Camaro, but no one here in town has a Tesla. However, I'm done with my speed demon days and much more into four wheel drive now.

Originally Posted by d-null

but wouldn't the electricity costs be comparable to the gas you included on the other?

No one seems to factor this in. How much would it cost to fully charge your car? The cost of power is going up faster than the price of gas these days...

[Fat Panda]

Originally Posted by **********

without polluting at all.

ROFL, ya the production of electricity is POLLUTION FREE. Thanks for the laughs!

[Wizzo]

Why would you be financing either one of them? You should pay cash for toys.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by SAC

ROFL, ya the production of electricity is POLLUTION FREE. Thanks for the laughs!

Wow. I saw this image and freaked. Ran out to check and make sure the windmill that generates more than enough electricity for my house was not smoking.

No all electricity is produced that way.

[ravo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

No all electricity is produced that way.

Yeah, but MOST is - nuclear, coal, natural gas, hydro-electric - all have their environmental costs.

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Why would you be financing either one of them? You should pay cash for toys.

Not necessarily. I finance my cars, but I have really good rates. 1.9% on my Infiniti and Corvette.

[Vendzilla]

not impressed with current tech on cars, I just sold a pick up made in 1981 that got 45mpg

[CurrentlySober]

i just like poo...

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by d-null

but wouldn't the electricity costs be comparable to the gas you included on the other?

No, at least, not here in Quebec anyway. Comparing apples to apples, it costs $0.08 cents of electricity to go the same range as $1.40 per litre of gas. Even a decent milage car at 11 Litres per 100 Kilometers, a driver saves over $3500 a year in energy costs.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by JFK

just buy the Tesla

I KNOW!!! Dammit...

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Mark, please send me an e-mail when you have a chance...BIZ!
ADG

I don't have your email You can find mine at http://2much.net/contact.php

Originally Posted by Sly

I always find it interesting how so many ignore how terrible those batteries are for the environment. Really, really bad.

Not really. First they are the same batteries as you have in your cellphone and laptop. (Actually, about thousands of them). The cars don't produce polluting exhaust or require polluting gas (or oil!) and if properly recycled at the end of its life, the environmental impact is much much less than a regular gas car.

Originally Posted by Rochard

If I had a choice between a Camaro and a Tesla, I would go with the Tesla. Everyone has a Camaro, but no one here in town has a Tesla. However, I'm done with my speed demon days and much more into four wheel drive now.

I know just how you feel. I am *almost* done with being a speed demon. I want comfort but I also want fun. Lots of fun. Getting old sucks.

Originally Posted by SAC

ROFL, ya the production of electricity is POLLUTION FREE. Thanks for the laughs!

The PRODUCTION of energy pollutes, yes, but the use of that energy in a Tesla does not.

If you add it up, the PRODUCTION of Gas + the USE of that gas pollutes much more than the production & use of electricity.

Also some countries such as Canada have super-clean electricity. Some places in the US, and most of China, rely on coal to generate electricity which I agree is just insane.

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Why would you be financing either one of them? You should pay cash for toys.

Because its cheap to borrow money right now. You can buy a car for 0% or 1% while still negotiating the best possible price. If I invest $50k into a GIC or Term Deposit, and borrow to buy a car, I come out about 2-3% ahead after a few years.

Originally Posted by ravo

Yeah, but MOST is - nuclear, coal, natural gas, hydro-electric - all have their environmental costs.

Of course... but the question is, which has the lowest impact?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Mark, please send me an e-mail when you have a chance...BIZ!

ADG

Originally Posted by **********

I don't have your email You can find mine at http://2much.net/contact.php

I sent you an e-mail at sales1 (AT) 2much (dot) net. My addy is, webmaster (AT) asiandivagirls (dot) com.



ADG

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by **********

No, at least, not here in Quebec anyway. Comparing apples to apples, it costs $0.08 cents of electricity to go the same range as $1.40 per litre of gas. Even a decent milage car at 11 Litres per 100 Kilometers, a driver saves over $3500 a year in energy costs.

You forgot again that batteries need replacing, if you factor in that cost savings are much lower, if any

Of course... but the question is, which has the lowest impact?

Difficult to say producing electricity already isn't all that clean and rare earth mining is a nasty business.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sly

I always find it interesting how so many ignore how terrible those batteries are for the environment. Really, really bad.

I'm pretty sure these type of batteries are usually recycled. Sure it's bad if you just toss it in the landfill, much the same as if you just dump oil on the ground. However, we don't just dump oil on the ground and we don't just toss car batteries in the landfill.

[dyna mo]

First, it?s necessary to understand the contents of our ESS. The cells in our battery are composed mainly of lithium metal oxides. They are manufactured in Japan, a country with very strict environmental laws. Emissions and effluents are strictly controlled and monitored. The cells meet the requirements set forth by the Directive on the Restriction of the Use of Certain Hazardous Substances in Electrical and Electronic Equipment 2002/95/EC (commonly referred to as the Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive or RoHS). In other words, they do not contain any of the following:

Lead
Mercury
Cadmium
Hexavalent chromium (chromium xxx or Cr6+)
Polybrominated biphenyls (PBB)
Polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE)
Above and beyond RoHS, our lithium ion cells contain no heavy metals, nor any toxic materials. In fact, our cells and ESS, by law, could be disposed of by putting them in a landfill. However, we have no intention of landfilling our ESS.


we have been working closely with Kinsbursky Brothers, Inc.(KBI)/Toxco to implement a recycling plan. The goal of this plan is the following:

maximize the amount of materials that can be reused;
maximize the amount of materials that can be recycled; and,
minimize energy consumption utilized during the transportation and recycling process;

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/myth...-battery-packs

[atom]

Financing a car for 7 years seems odd to me even if the rates were really low. Why not pay it off quicker? Maybe it is a common car length loan in Canada but here it is usually 3, 4, or 5 years.

[femdomdestiny]

Last several weeks I was watching online all I could find about Tesla cars. After watching all that, I really can't understand why would someone buy gasoline (diesel) powered car compared to Tesla models.Even after only watching technology and how it is made, I already feel like I am driving chariots when I want to enter in my car. I've clearly understood advantages of electric cars and it is a revolution like it was when combustion engine became available. Even If I am big car lover and it is kind of my hobby, electric cars are future. No gasoline, no pollution, no oils, no transmission,no moving parts, no chains, no spark plugs, no filters.....and you are still faster then most sport cars, going 4.something seconds if you want to race. Not to mention cheaper driving.

Interesting video:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VUgDcA1pZAM

[PR_Glen]

how can i spend 80 000 to save 5000 a year again?

cars last 20+ years normally right? i can use it in the snow too right?

[femdomdestiny]

http://www.plugincars.com/video-tesl...es-120246.html

[fuzebox]

I will never buy an electric car. Love burning gas!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by **********

ARRRGHHHH

I ordered a 2SS/RS/1LE Camaro 6 weeks ago for $50k and am expecting to get it in about 4 weeks or so. Today my phone rang and it was a sales rep from Tesla Motors. Get this:

Financing a Camaro for 76 months will cost about $780.00 per month taxes in, plus about 2-3 fill ups per month for $293.81 per month. Total gas per year at the current prices will cost me $3525.68. total : $1073.81.

An $80k + 15% HST Tesla Model S - $8,000 green tax credit from the Quebec Government. With 3 3.99% financing (A little high but ok) will cost me $1079.81 per month taxes included.

Frustrating! For the same price I can race and beat almost anyone on the road without polluting at all.

Oh well - this will be my last gas car. Next car is a Tesla for sure. Woo!

Model S comes with a 4 year or 50,000 mile (whichever comes first) new vehicle limited warranty.

compared to a 5/6 year warranty or 100, 000 miles

i guess one of expecting a lot less breakdowns, yes?

how much.. does it cost to fix electric cars these days?

[georgeyw]

You keep jerking yourself stupid over these electric cars yet you buy a v8...

Kind of ironic don't you think?

[dyna mo]

the important part of that lease deal tesla is advertising is it is due to fisker going bankrupt recently, and it happened very fast and is very ugly, thus my post about fisker above.

tesla is dealing with a consumer confidence issue, potential customers with $80k to spend on a car should be very concerned about that brand and dealer/service network not being around when their high-priced schnazzy electric car needs *calibrating*.

[videobunch]

My neighbor has one of these and he said it is great but he does not commute far and when he does he drives his other car. So you still need a backup car. Try to go on a family trip and have to sit every 300 miles for 4+hrs while you wait for the car to fill up. Just not seeing it.

Not figured out yet how this is the future. California has rolling blackouts when there is a strain on the grid so now we are all going to plug our cars in. I guess traffic will be better when the power is but I guess that is the same as if you did not fill up since the pumps are electric.

My feeling is the car is awesome, but electric is not the solution.

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by **********

ARRRGHHHH

I ordered a 2SS/RS/1LE Camaro 6 weeks ago for $50k and am expecting to get it in about 4 weeks or so. Today my phone rang and it was a sales rep from Tesla Motors. Get this:

Financing a Camaro for 76 months will cost about $780.00 per month taxes in, plus about 2-3 fill ups per month for $293.81 per month. Total gas per year at the current prices will cost me $3525.68. total : $1073.81.

An $80k + 15% HST Tesla Model S - $8,000 green tax credit from the Quebec Government. With 3 3.99% financing (A little high but ok) will cost me $1079.81 per month taxes included.

Frustrating! For the same price I can race and beat almost anyone on the road without polluting at all.

Oh well - this will be my last gas car. Next car is a Tesla for sure. Woo!

Tesla's more, you have to pay for the power

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I will never buy an electric car. Love burning gas!

And rubber...

[Due]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

And rubber...

Electric cars have better pickup than gasoline..

[ottopottomouse]

In 7 years time the Tesla will be worth fuck all as technology will have moved on.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

In 7 years time the Tesla will be worth fuck all as technology will have moved on.

? my understanding the technology being used is almost 100 years old

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by **********

I know just how you feel. I am *almost* done with being a speed demon. I want comfort but I also want fun. Lots of fun. Getting old sucks.

It's not getting old. It's growing up.

I can buy a Mustang and fly down the highway getting as many tickets as I want. Or, I can buy a beat up old 4x4, cut through public library parking lot, through the field, through the two feet deep mud puddle.. On my way to my kid's school. Plus I'm not afraid to go up to Tahoe in the snow, and it's handy when I need to buy a new couch like I do this weekend.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the important part of that lease deal tesla is advertising is it is due to fisker going bankrupt recently, and it happened very fast and is very ugly, thus my post about fisker above.

tesla is dealing with a consumer confidence issue, potential customers with $80k to spend on a car should be very concerned about that brand and dealer/service network not being around when their high-priced schnazzy electric car needs *calibrating*.

you always have internet, to download latest drivers for calibration

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

you always have internet, to download latest drivers for calibration

is that from the owner's manual?


sounds like a solid service network.

[livexxx]

Hmmm, just buying a Land Rover Discovery tomorrow, Harman Kardon 24 speaker setup, white leather, keyless entry , seat massager with location memory and a fridge in the centre console. You kiddies carry on with your whiz bang pop racers on 22" and pirelli 45's and fuck up your Os Sacral verterbrae ;)

+1 Mark Prince, as I upgraded to the fridge and tune system thanks to his service but promise its all non-freon

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

You forgot again that batteries need replacing, if you factor in that cost savings are much lower, if any

The batteries are guaranteed for 8 years.

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Difficult to say producing electricity already isn't all that clean and rare earth mining is a nasty business.

What does rare earth mining have to do with electricity?

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Last several weeks I was watching online all I could find about Tesla cars. After watching all that, I really can't understand why would someone buy gasoline (diesel) powered car compared to Tesla models.Even after only watching technology and how it is made, I already feel like I am driving chariots when I want to enter in my car. I've clearly understood advantages of electric cars and it is a revolution like it was when combustion engine became available. Even If I am big car lover and it is kind of my hobby, electric cars are future. No gasoline, no pollution, no oils, no transmission,no moving parts, no chains, no spark plugs, no filters.....and you are still faster then most sport cars, going 4.something seconds if you want to race. Not to mention cheaper driving.

Interesting video:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VUgDcA1pZAM

:thum bsup

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

how can i spend 80 000 to save 5000 a year again?

That's the point of my post. An $80k electric car cost can be had for the same price as a $50k Camaro.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

cars last 20+ years normally right?

No, but my GF's Pontiac Vibe (really a Toyota Matrix) is now in its 10th year and doing well.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

i can use it in the snow too right?

[/quote]

Yes! Electric Cars like the Telsa Model S and Chevy Volt do very well in Canadian Winters.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I will never buy an electric car. Love burning gas!

You stink!

Originally Posted by _Richard_

Model S comes with a 4 year or 50,000 mile (whichever comes first) new vehicle limited warranty.

compared to a 5/6 year warranty or 100, 000 miles

i guess one of expecting a lot less breakdowns, yes?

how much.. does it cost to fix electric cars these days?

I don't know. But if you think about it, an Electric Car as no Gas pump, no Cylinders, no push rods, no radiator, no exhaust system, no catalytic converter, no timing belt, no carbruator or fuel injection system etc so there's actually alot less to break.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

You keep jerking yourself stupid over these electric cars yet you buy a v8...

Kind of ironic don't you think?

Yes. I love performance cars, V8's, Camaro's and Firebirds, yet I hate the ancient technology of gasoline engines. I love high tech and I want the future I dreamed of as a kid to be in my grasp. To say I'm conflicted is putting it mildly.

I also think it's an interesting case study. I am a prime consumer for both of these cars. What are they doing to win my business? Intradesting....

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

In 7 years time the Tesla will be worth fuck all as technology will have moved on.

How do you know?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Tesla or Camaro?..definitely a serious first world problem. How will you do it?

THE problem

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by tony286

what you do if you break down and the nearest tesla dealer is 1000 miles away?

I am pretty sure that pronblem could be fixed by decent mechanic not from tesla in your local area. Unless warranty prohibits that or something.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

In 7 years time the Tesla will be worth fuck all as technology will have moved on.

What about camaro technology in 7 years then?