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borked

You can start with what they did in Paris...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

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borked

I'm 42 and yet lots of bombings went on when I was young and older.

Shit loads went on in the 90s it was like at least 1 event a year if not more, so I really don't know to what IRA events you are referring to.

--edit to add the real list of non-stop terrorism events the Brits faced alone from the IRA, funded from the American Irish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ents_in_London

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dyna mo

you mentioned that *americans* funded the ira. the last date that i can find any suggestions of that happening was 1982-83 via noraid secretly funneling charitable donations.

certainly a long time ago and not one that more than a handful of americans( ~5) participated in.

borked

So the only documented event of funding stands as gospel right?

I can't even be arsed to look, but I'll take your word for it that it's the only documented event.
So pray do tell, where the fuck where the IRA geting their funding from if it wasn't from Libya and America?

Every country has had its own fair share of terrorism. Just that America's has caused the biggest global upheaval. Justified? Two small bombs in Boston (as bad as they are) worth hitting globale headlines? Honestly?

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borked

Apparently 10% of all Americans are Irish?

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_Richard_

a successful bombing in the middle of a country spending 700 billion a year on military at the expense of.. everything else?

you betcha

dyna mo

i don't choose the headlines, especially in some other country.

fact is, you brought up american attitudes, not me


there's only the testimony to go on.

New York
Funds raised in the United States ostensibly for charitable relief work in Northern Ireland have been diverted for the purchase of guns and bombmaking equipment for the outlawed Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), according to US federal court documents. The funds, raised through pub collections and testimonial dinners by the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid) of New York City, are channeled through An Cumman Cabhrach, a relief organization in Dublin.

But on several occasions in 1982 and 1983 some of the Noraid funds were siphoned off to finance IRA shopping expeditions in the US for guns and other military hardware, according to the testimony of Michael Hanratty, a former electronics purchaser for the IRA who turned federal informant in 1982.

``Money supplied by Noraid was sent over to Ireland,'' Mr. Hanratty testified in the 1983 Brooklyn gunrunning trial of Gabriel Megahey and Andrew Duggan. ``At that point, when equipment was to be purchased, a courier then took some of the money that was needed and carried it back to this country.

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a card well played

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Dirty F

If not more.

A lot of them are Dutch. They may not realize it though.

There really isn't such a thing as being American.

Unless you are native Indian.

dyna mo

that makes absolutely zero sense. so you think that spending money on something solves the problem 100%?

nevertheless, the fact is you can count on 1 hand the # of terrorist events inside this country.

rogueteens

It was so well know in the UK where the IRA got a lot of their funding from that even the BBC reported on the American involvement - and for Auntie Beeb to say that then ... well!.

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borked

he was replying to me:

He played his card very well, and I retract my statement!! 'oh the irony'

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borked

I get confused from time to time... which is the ex-navy seal commando type person? Rochard or richard?

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dyna mo

i appreciate the info and i would not disagree with your comments/experience.


again though, that was a long time ago and i don't think it's fair or accurate for someone to characterize americans today as not caring about that then. based on everything i've dug up about it, it was fundraising in new york city. it wasn't regional and certainly wasn't nationwide.

dyna mo

it still doesn't make sense. we could spend a gradzillion on defense and a pressure cooker bomb can still be left somewhere along a 26 mile marathon course.

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rogueteens

No, of cause not but then that was my original point, you guys would still have the same attitude you had in the 70's-90's over the UK bombings if it wasn't for 9-11.

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dyna mo

i see what you are saying..sure..compassion... it does take some amount of personal experience to have compassion for when others experience the same, i agree.

but also the internet has made the world a much smaller place. the world was much bigger back then. just to give the american people at that time the benefit of the doubt, i'm not so sure the prevailing attitude could be characterized as has been in this thread.

_Richard_

personally? i don't think anything 'solves problems'.. the trick is finding solutions

however humanity, and in extension the world, loves a good bout of irony.

Ironic really

crockett

Well the UK also turned a blind eye to how they treated they Irish now didn't they? You can't treat people like dogs and not expect them to bite you.

This is the same reason there will never be peace between Israel & Palestine.

helterskelter808

I doubt most Americans even knew enough about Northern Ireland to turn a blind eye to it. We did, however, provide safe harbor to numerous IRA terrorists.

So while we think nothing of demanding the extradition of British nationals who commit the heinous crime of linking to stuff on the internet or who harmlessly expose the ineptitude of the clowns at the Pentagon, and we incarcerate innocent people without trial and torture them in a concentration camp on Cuba, we had no problem refusing extradition requests for terrorists who had murdered people who weren't American.

One reason people might get irritated is because not only did we not give a single shit about terrorism in other countries before 9/11, but after 9/11 we started lecturing countries that had endured terrorism for decades about how evil terrorism was (because it was now happening to us). More people were killed in the Northern Ireland conflict than 9/11.

helterskelter808

Peace was established in the Northern Ireland conflict, so how does that demonstrate there will "never" be peace between Israel and Palestine?

dyna mo

i don't disagree, and hell, the brits are our bros. but it's important that we don't look back at another generation through this generation's viewpoint. hindsight is always 20-20. it was an entirely different world then. just the internet alone separates this era from that.

DBS.US

I hope you would hold the video camera a little more steady then guys that did.

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