Police raid wrong home, kill resident

[Mike Honcho]

Cliff notes;

-Police get tip of drug activity from informant
-Raid the house next door by mistake
-Claim identified themselves as police
-61-year-old man and wife think it's a home invasion
-Man fires sawed-off at them
-Police shoot him 3 times and kill him
-24 and 25-year-old officers placed on paid leave

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95...LyhJG0.twitter


Lol at giving the cops a paid vacation after having just murdered a man in cold blood. What should happen here is the cops should be charged with murder, man slaughter at the bare minimum.

[TheFootMan5]

Absolutely fucking astonishing

Beyond immoral...what a disgusting species

[bean-aid]

Did they raid the right house after?

[Mike Honcho]

Originally Posted by beaner

Did they raid the right house after?

Good question.

[Mr Pheer]

It's standard for cops to be placed on paid leave following a shooting, no matter what the circumstances are.

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

It's standard for cops to be placed on paid leave following a shooting, no matter what the circumstances are.

Sure, perfectly normal

Imagine if a slave "citizen" shot a cop?

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Strange that the article is not dated. This case is 13 years old. Linkbait much, ABC News?

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Strange that the article is not dated. This case is 13 years old. Linkbait much, ABC News?

In case anyone wants to check
http://www.salon.com/2000/10/19/shooting_3/

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

In case anyone wants to check
http://www.salon.com/2000/10/19/shooting_3/

Doesn't matter if it's 1040 or 2000 or 2013 or 2060...wrong is wrong, immoral is immoral

[kane]

Originally Posted by Mike Honcho

Cliff notes;

-Police get tip of drug activity from informant
-Raid the house next door by mistake
-Claim identified themselves as police
-61-year-old man and wife think it's a home invasion
-Man fires sawed-off at them
-Police shoot him 3 times and kill him
-24 and 25-year-old officers placed on paid leave

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95...LyhJG0.twitter


Lol at giving the cops a paid vacation after having just murdered a man in cold blood. What should happen here is the cops should be charged with murder, man slaughter at the bare minimum.

To me the person or persons who should be charged with murder are those who made the decision that this was the correct house to raid.

If you are going to bust into a house with guns out you had better make sure you have the right one. You can't blame the old man for shooting at them nor can you blame the officers who shot back because in the heat of the moment they both felt they were defending themselves.

Neither of them would have been in that position had they gotten the correct house.

If course, if it turns out those who did the shooting were also responsible for making sure this was the correct house then they should be charged.

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by kane

To me the person or persons who should be charged with murder are those who made the decision that this was the correct house to raid.

If you are going to bust into a house with guns out you had better make sure you have the right one. You can't blame the old man for shooting at them nor can you blame the officers who shot back because in the heat of the moment they both felt they were defending themselves.

Neither of them would have been in that position had they gotten the correct house.

If course, if it turns out those who did the shooting were also responsible for making sure this was the correct house then they should be charged.

Exactly

And to make things worse, they wanted to bust into a house that was not engaging in any real crime...just amazing...too bad the old man didn't blow these loser scumbags away

[L-Pink]

But drug informants are always smart reliable people ...

[CurrentlySober]

Sorry if it auto plays... Not my fault - But I feel its warranted anyway...

[kane]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

But drug informants are always smart reliable people ...

I read the two articles and it sounds like the drug informant told them the correct house, but the supervisor in charge of the raid forgot which one it was and took them to the wrong place.

The crazy part is that there are only two houses on this street and they still got it wrong.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

Absolutely fucking astonishing

Beyond immoral...what a disgusting species

Interesting choice of phrase Johnny.

Whose morals are you referring to ?

The white middle class christian morals that your were indoctrinated with.

Or do your Alien Lizzard posse have a different set of morals ?

[CamTraffic]

So the Cops have the right to Enter your House if they have a Warrant...
You have the right to bare Arms...
What if they come in and you shoot one of them in your own house? are you at fault?

What if that Old man shot one of the Cop?

[SteveHardeman]

Anyone happen to know what happened to the cops in question since this event?

[bronco67]

They should start using Google nav. It would have told them "you're destination is on the right".

[ls101]

Administrative Law, Trespassing, Murder ?

[DWB]

I have no problem with this. They were just doing their job. I fully support home invasions if it makes me feel safer.

</sarcasm>

[privatesociety]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

So the Cops have the right to Enter your House if they have a Warrant...
You have the right to bare Arms...
What if they come in and you shoot one of them in your own house? are you at fault?

What if that Old man shot one of the Cop?

Thats what I was thinking

[_Richard_]

no fear you 'this article happened way too long ago for me to care' types

This same scenario happened in Vancouver last year

they beat the man within an inch of his life and from my understanding is still recovering

212, not 221

but yea, day in the life

[media]

He was within his rights to pull out his shotgun and fire.. even if they said police, there's been huge increase in people posing as police and doing home invasions.. This widow needs to sue the ever living fuck out of the police force and bankrupt the town then move out of that shit hole.. The police need to get their fucking facts straight first before moving on a house like this.. these shoe string cops need to have their asses handed to them!

[Socks]

We're going to have to know if these were "good people" or not first.

They live next to drug dealers, and own a sawed off shotgun.

[just a punk]

There was a good episode in "Reno 911" on Comedy Central about "wrong door raid". Highly recommended

[brassmonkey]

shotguns are a joke. he should of had a sks or ak-47 you have to keep up with the times

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

I forgot about this thread, but let me just say. How fucking ridiculous to imply that because I pointed out that the article is old, it means I don't care. I did care, I just found it a bit strange that a 13 year old article without a date was making the rounds to several sites at the same time.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled ridiculousness.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

You can't blame the old man for shooting at them nor can you blame the officers who shot back because in the heat of the moment they both felt they were defending themselves.

So what you are saying is that when police raid your house you can shoot them? That must be new.

The police banged on the door, identified themselves, announced it was a police raid, and the homeowner shot the police? The homeowner wasn't defending his house; He was shooting police officers who were doing their job. And no matter what, when you shoot at police officers, they shoot back.

The fact that they had the wrong house is not a factor. The homeowner surely didn't know they had the wrong house, and even if he did it's still not a legal justification to shoot at police.

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So what you are saying is that when police raid your house you can shoot them? That must be new.

I actually think there are (or were) laws in a couple of states whereby if the homeowner felt the cop was unlawfully entering his property, the homeowner is well within their legal right to shoot the officer trespassing on his property.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So what you are saying is that when police raid your house you can shoot them? That must be new.

The police banged on the door, identified themselves, announced it was a police raid, and the homeowner shot the police? The homeowner wasn't defending his house; He was shooting police officers who were doing their job. And no matter what, when you shoot at police officers, they shoot back.

The fact that they had the wrong house is not a factor. The homeowner surely didn't know they had the wrong house, and even if he did it's still not a legal justification to shoot at police.

If I ever decide to invade your home, I will yell "POLICE! POLICE!" and because I said the magic word, you will open your door for me.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

I actually think there are (or were) laws in a couple of states whereby if the homeowner felt the cop was unlawfully entering his property, the homeowner is well within their legal right to shoot the officer trespassing on his property.

How does the homeowner know in the heat of the moment if a police raid is "lawful" or not?

[Fat Panda]

police who ILLEGALLY enter your home are NOT police they are CRIMINALS. in many states you can LEGALLY shoot the motherfuckers!

[sicone]

Originally Posted by Rochard

.... The fact that they had the wrong house is not a factor...

That is a HUGE factor. If they enter a house that was not covered by the warrant they had allowing for the raid to take place then it becomes illegal search and seizure, illegal breaking and entering, assuming they smashed the door down to enter. There are several other rights and laws violated because they had the wrong house.

No matter what they think or try to make you feel, cops are NOT above the law they are paid to enforce.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So what you are saying is that when police raid your house you can shoot them? That must be new.

The police banged on the door, identified themselves, announced it was a police raid, and the homeowner shot the police? The homeowner wasn't defending his house; He was shooting police officers who were doing their job. And no matter what, when you shoot at police officers, they shoot back.

The fact that they had the wrong house is not a factor. The homeowner surely didn't know they had the wrong house, and even if he did it's still not a legal justification to shoot at police.

I can see how he could be confused. First, he is an old guy. Second, he may not have heard them say police. When they raid a house they literally pound on the door twice, yell "Police, search warrant" then break the door down. The only reason they knock and say that is because the law requires them to.

So he is in the bedroom minding his own business then suddenly he hears the door get bashed in and his wife is screaming. I can understand how in the confusion of the moment he might pull out his shotgun and start shooting.

Again, none of this would have happened had the supervisor in charge gotten the correct house.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How does the homeowner know in the heat of the moment if a police raid is "lawful" or not?

Well, you can assume if you have done nothing wrong or illegal that the raid is not lawful.

You have said several times that you have nothing to hide. You don't break any laws and are a typical, law abiding citizen. So the police have no reason to smash your door in and raid your house.

Imagine you are sitting in one room of your house working away. Suddenly you hear your front door get bashed in and your wife is screaming hysterically about being attacked. You rush out (I don't know if you have any guns handy or not) and see a couple of guys dressed in black with assault rifles run across your living room. They might be wearing police jackets, but wouldn't you, at least for a minute, question if this was legit?

If it were me I would. You have done nothing wrong so they have no reason to be there which means their presence in the first place is questionable.

If you are selling drugs out of your house or doing some other illegal activity and you get raiding, you can't be too surprised. Kind of like if you are driving 100 mph down the freeway, you can't be shocked if you get pulled over for speeding.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

Well, you can assume if you have done nothing wrong or illegal that the raid is not lawful.

No, not at all. Police can have a valid warrant, the right address, even though you've done nothing wrong.

This happened to me once. One night at 3am the local cops were banging on my door - loudly. I turned on all of the lights, confirmed they were police officers by looking out the window, and opened up my door. They cam in force - four of them - all armed with shot guns. They had a report of some kind of domestic disturbance, and for some reason they thought it was coming from my house.

Shooting them because they were "illegally trespassing on my property at 3am" never crossed my mind.

Listen, it's very fucking simple. If the cops raid your house for whatever reason you have two options:
1) Do what your told, hope it doesn't hurt too much when they drag your face on the floor, and then sue them for being idiots.
2) Open fire on police and be shot dead.

I know which choice I'm taking. Idiots.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, not at all. Police can have a valid warrant, the right address, even though you've done nothing wrong.

This happened to me once. One night at 3am the local cops were banging on my door - loudly. I turned on all of the lights, confirmed they were police officers by looking out the window, and opened up my door. They cam in force - four of them - all armed with shot guns. They had a report of some kind of domestic disturbance, and for some reason they thought it was coming from my house.

Shooting them because they were "illegally trespassing on my property at 3am" never crossed my mind.

Listen, it's very fucking simple. If the cops raid your house for whatever reason you have two options:
1) Do what your told, hope it doesn't hurt too much when they drag your face on the floor, and then sue them for being idiots.
2) Open fire on police and be shot dead.

I know which choice I'm taking. Idiots.

It seems to me there is a pretty big difference between then pounding on your door, you looking out the window and seeing they are police then opening the door and them smashing the door in and raiding the place.

What would your mindset had been if you woke up because you thought he heard a pounding on the door then the next thing you heard was the door get smashed in? When you heard it was the police, like you say, you can choose to hope for the best or shoot and I too would hope for the best and be planning my lawsuit as they finished their raid, but I can understand how some people could get confused.

In this particular case the wife actually said to the husband that they were being robbed and told him to get his gun.

It is a tragic situation all the way around. An innocent guy died. Two cops will have to live with killing an innocent guy for the rest of their lives and from what I understand this is a pretty small town and the police/city are going to get sued into oblivion.

[seXXXhub]

America !

[RobertL]

Does anyone know how this 13 year old event got resolved? Was anyone ever charged?

[DBS.US]

Tip: Post your home address clearly on a wall near a light.

[Dirty F]

I see only one solution! America needs more guns!

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by beaner

Did they raid the right house after?

I was wondering the same thing..