Events Does Mass Surveillance Bather You

[clickity click]

Does it bother you that governments have a comprehensive record of all your personal information, personal emails, social networks, medical records, phone calls, credit card records including a shit load of other stuff such as your shopping habits.

I know some people who just don't seem to care. They be like it's for the greater good.
I know others that be like. It's a fricken outrage.

Just wondered what you thought.

[L-Pink]

Yes


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[Rochard]

Not at all. My personal information is rather dull.

My medical records for the past twenty years will reveal a lot of dental work, a broken toe, and a potassium deficiency. Exciting stuff. My text messages are mostly between my wife and family and a few friends making plans and "where are you" or "what do you want to eat". Lame. Facebook messenger might reveal some naughty pictures I've sent to a few friends, but frankly, nothing that would really raise an eyebrow. My emails are all business like and rather professional. My skype and ICQ messages are all politically correct. The most damaging thing about me would most likely be my account here on GFY.

I don't really have anything to hide from anyone.

[clickity click]

Fuck the more I read about it the more paranoid I get.
PRISM
DARPA
Tempora
ECHELON
5 Eyes

[clickity click]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Not at all. My personal information is rather dull.

My medical records for the past twenty years will reveal a lot of dental work, a broken toe, and a potassium deficiency. Exciting stuff. My text messages are mostly between my wife and family and a few friends making plans and "where are you" or "what do you want to eat". Lame. Facebook messenger might reveal some naughty pictures I've sent to a few friends, but frankly, nothing that would really raise an eyebrow. My emails are all business like and rather professional. My skype and ICQ messages are all politically correct. The most damaging thing about me would most likely be my account here on GFY.

I don't really have anything to hide from anyone.

Ok, but ignore your personal habits for a moment and consider a whole nation (or multiple nations) being monitored. Is that right?

[RyuLion]

Nope. nuf said.

[MiamiBoyz]

YES

And if it doesn't bother you then just kill your useless self.

[sandman!]

yes it does

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by clickity click

Ok, but ignore your personal habits for a moment and consider a whole nation (or multiple nations) being monitored. Is that right?

A lot of people fear the government. We've seen first hand how governments can be and what they can do.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't really have anything to hide from anyone.

This is a great and very overused line people throw out to advocate a reason why we should all roll over and accept it when our freedoms are taken away.



I have LOADS to hide and I am happy to admit it - MY PRIVATE FUCKING LIFE.

[sperbonzo]

Anyone who says that they have nothing to hide should volunteer to give all of their info to government burocrats... And leave the rest of us to our private life.






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[L-Pink]

You young guys wouldn't understand but I would rather have no internet than EVERY move I make stored in a database.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by clickity click

Does it bother you that governments have a comprehensive record of all your personal information, personal emails, social networks, medical records, phone calls, credit card records

That's the tip of the iceberg - they think they can effectively observe your thoughts by piecing together everything you see or do.

Of course, most people don't know much about Prism and Tempora and so on but your PC doesn't even need to be connected to the internet - files can be removed without your permission even if you are offline, as Snowden released some time ago:



Well said Pink but you don't need to be connected to the internet anyway.... they can still spy on your computer.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

YES

And if it doesn't bother you then just kill your useless self.

[klinton]

I'm so tired when I hear this "I have nothing to hide" phrase. Its like arguing with mindless and shortsighted idiot. I'm sorry if I offended someone, but thats what I think exactly

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Anyone who says that they have nothing to hide should volunteer to give all of their info to government burocrats... And leave the rest of us to our private life.






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[CurrentlySober]

My honest answer would be that I truthfully dont really care at all about my own info - But I do care that it is happening to others who would rather it not be happening too.

[davidclickpapa]

surveillance is a 2-edged razor. but since i live in a fairly insignificant part of europe, it doesn't affect me that much, nor is it overly apparent.

[Paul Markham]

I look at it as one of priorities and security.

I'm so low on the Governments priorities scale, they won't bother.

There are people out there dedicated to harming me, and having others watching them. Is my security.

The only people who want all surveillance removed. Are the ones with something to hide.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I look at it as one of priorities and security.

I'm so low on the Governments priorities scale, they won't bother.

There are people out there dedicated to harming me, and having others watching them. Is my security.

The only people who want all surveillance removed. Are the ones with something to hide.

[clickity click]

I disagree, I have nothing to hide. I just don't want governments to have full control over our personal lives. I don't want my details used as part of mass experiments to analyse our behaviour patterns.
If they know everything they can control everything.

[NatalieMojoHost]

I wouldn't say that I'm happy with this, but, on the positive side, hope they enjoy reading through my personal mailbox It's mostly spam anyway.
Developing this thought, we might wanna thank spam for making it so easy to conceal info. If anyone goes through my email every day - I pity them so bad

[aka123]

Originally Posted by clickity click

Does it bother you that governments have a comprehensive record of all your personal information, personal emails, social networks, medical records, phone calls, credit card records including a shit load of other stuff such as your shopping habits.

Not really, as they don't have those. Well.. at least in that scale. However my government has my personal information. But I guess hiding my name, social security number, address, etc. from my own government is quite mute.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You young guys wouldn't understand but I would rather have no internet than EVERY move I make stored in a database.

Maybe you should go offline sometimes? Have a walk in the park or something. Preferably without your super duper smartphone.

If you are still tracked it has to be done with the old style aka James Bond drinking Martinis on your tail.

[ErectMedia]

Think it's more of once ya let a little freedom slip then it turns into what else can we do. So on a limited scale doesn't bother me but kinda scary how little can turn into no limits. I try to say keywords on phone calls so I get tapped occasionally. I am happy they are starting to remove red light traffic cameras here though as that bothers me the most.

[brassmonkey]

wtf is a bather???

[davidclickpapa]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

wtf is a bather???

someone who regularly takes a bath

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by davidclickpapa

someone who regularly takes a bath

Well thats me out of the running then...

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Well thats me out of the running then...

wasn't specific, could be a warm poo bath.

[Bladewire]

Imagine, in a different reality, if they targeted the porn industry. Remember the movie "The Net"?

Imagine if you put out ads for models, but 80% of responses were not forwarded to you, and the ones that were, were the ugliest ones.

Imagine if, slowly over time, 80% sales were diverted, making you broke.

This is possible right now and do you trust any government not to use this power? They have been and they are right now.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Imagine, in a different reality, if they targeted the porn industry. Remember the movie "The Net"?

Imagine if you put out ads for models, but 80% of responses were not forwarded to you, and the ones that were, were the ugliest ones.

Imagine if, slowly over time, 80% sales were diverted, making you broke.

This is possible right now and do you trust any government not to use this power? They have been and they are right now.

And to where are they (would be) forwarded to?

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Not at all. My personal information is rather dull.

My medical records for the past twenty years will reveal a lot of dental work, a broken toe, and a potassium deficiency. Exciting stuff. My text messages are mostly between my wife and family and a few friends making plans and "where are you" or "what do you want to eat". Lame. Facebook messenger might reveal some naughty pictures I've sent to a few friends, but frankly, nothing that would really raise an eyebrow. My emails are all business like and rather professional. My skype and ICQ messages are all politically correct. The most damaging thing about me would most likely be my account here on GFY.

I don't really have anything to hide from anyone.

Then why don't you volunteer to have the govt put camera's in every room of your house? You've got nothing to hide.

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by aka123

And to where are they (would be) forwarded to?

Think he's saying the government would keep the hotties and start their own site. They would only forward the ugly bitches to ya so ya go broke.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Think he's saying the government would keep the hotties and start their own site. They would only forward the ugly bitches to ya so ya go broke.

I'm just saying, FB has done this, they've admitted it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/07/01/9-answers-about-facebooks-creepy-emotional-manipulation-experiment/

Anyone would be a fool to think governments aren't doing it. China has been doing this since the beginning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I'm just saying, FB has done this, they've admitted it. 9 answers about Facebook’s creepy emotional-manipulation experiment - The Washington Post

Anyone would be a fool to think governments aren't doing it. China has been doing this since the beginning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte...rship_in_China

FB did emotional manipulation experiment that they did publish and such. It even wasn't anything new (the results). They didn't redirect traffic to their own porn site or something like that. Which would be quite noticeable. And people don't like that kind of redirects anyways. Neither I don't think that China redirects visitors to their own porn sites.

And in marketing we do manipulation all the time. Usually some positive goal in mind. We are doing manipulation in here right now, I am trying to affect your mind, dude. And you are trying to affect the rest of us. And the stuff what I do? Well.. for example running A/B test to see the effects of different content; that is essentially manipulation and studying the effects. Just what FB did.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by aka123

FB did emotional manipulation experiment that they did publish and such. It even wasn't anything new (the results). They didn't redirect traffic to their own porn site or something like that. Which would be quite noticeable. And people don't like that kind of redirects anyways. Neither I don't think that China redirects visitors to their own porn sites.

And in marketing we do manipulation all the time.

Like I said, anyone would be a fool to think governments aren't doing it.

Also, I didn't say that "the government", or anyone, is redirecting 80% of porn sales. I said "Imagine, in a different reality . . ." Know what you're reading before you respond. ANY electronic communication can be intercepted / redirected, and some can be manipulated. This is a fact. Hackers live off this vulnerability of the net. Exploit.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Like I said, anyone would be a fool to think governments aren't doing it.

Also, I didn't say that "the government", or anyone, is redirecting 80% of porn sales. I said "Imagine, in a different reality . . ." Know what you're reading before you respond.

Yes, governments have PR departments. I know that you said "imagine", and I imagined (and I wrote the results). Congrats, you manipulated me to do something.

I don't like leaving some vague scenarios hanging in the air; I imagine what it would be like, for real.

So, it would be fool to think that governments aren't doing what? Exactly?

[AntonMG]

I have 2 issues with my data being used.
First is personal: I have nothing to hide really but it's quite frightening to see the amount of data these corporations (and the state) has about you. They probably know more about yourself than you do.
Your cell phone manufacturer knows where you are at any time of day / night and who you hang out with, facebook knows what sites you visit (provided they have a like button on the page),....

Then on a more philosophical stand point, it is a clear denial of one's right to privacy but more than this, the problem is that it can potentially lead to have you locking yourself into a line of thought when internet should offer the opposite:
Google will learn from your search history and the sites you visit and will adjust the search results accordingly to offer you what you want to see...
That means that if you always click on "republican" news sites, then after a while, google will give you only right wing results, progressively disconnecting you from the other side of the story.
For me, internet should be a place where you see other people's POV not something that is tailored to please you

[Best-In-BC]

Yep, looks like one more way to fill the prisons.

[klinton]

maybe you should actually read documents that describe what kind of power we talk about here...in the days of modern technology
what you doing now is spreading your lazy sleepy finnish deepforest bullshit, with all respect.
here is the link https://freesnowden.is/revelations/
maybe after reading all of them (from bottom to the top), and spending some hours on studying them...you wont post more nonsense in this topic. maybe

Originally Posted by aka123

Yes, governments have PR departments. I know that you said "imagine", and I imagined (and I wrote the results). Congrats, you manipulated me to do something.

I don't like leaving some vague scenarios hanging in the air; I imagine what it would be like, for real.

So, it would be fool to think that governments aren't doing what? Exactly?

[Jel]

Anyone who is ok with this is a submissive sheep, and dumb as fuck to boot. The End.

[evy97]

a right to privacy is the same as freedom of speech

[L-Pink]

And not just the government and businesses but hackers getting your information as well. From another thread ...


“Avid Life Media has been instructed to take Ashley Madison and Established Men offline permanently in all forms, or we will release all customer records, including profiles with all the customers’ secret sexual fantasies and matching credit card transactions, real names and addresses, and employee documents and emails. The other websites may stay online.”

[MaDalton]

yes but bad spelling bathers me too

[aka123]

Originally Posted by klinton

maybe you should actually read documents that describe what kind of power we talk about here...in the days of modern technology
what you doing now is spreading your lazy sleepy finnish deepforest bullshit, with all respect.
here is the link https://freesnowden.is/revelations/
maybe after reading all of them (from bottom to the top), and spending some hours on studying them...you wont post more nonsense in this topic. maybe

Well, then you can probably answer to that exactly question? But actually the discussion was more about redirects than some spying stuff, which was done long before internet. As well as redirecting people, but in a bit different sense.

You managed to post just the same kind of vague stuff than before. We have had news about Snowden too, by the way.

Finnish is written with big letter at the beginning, except in Finnish.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Then why don't you volunteer to have the govt put camera's in every room of your house? You've got nothing to hide.

Now we are talking. My emails and text messages are boring.... but a camera in my house.... When my wife and I do the naughty the goal seems to be to use as many rooms as possible.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by evy97

a right to privacy is the same as freedom of speech

Great point

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Now we are talking. My emails and text messages are boring.... but a camera in my house.... When my wife and I do the naughty the goal seems to be to use as many rooms as possible.

what about all those people who don't have boring emails & texts? Are you really failing to see the bigger picture here, or just trolling?

ps you probably have at least 5 remotely-enabled cameras in your house right now.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Then why don't you volunteer to have the govt put camera's in every room of your house? You've got nothing to hide.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Now we are talking. My emails and text messages are boring.... but a camera in my house.... When my wife and I do the naughty the goal seems to be to use as many rooms as possible.

So, if you guys would volunteer for cameras: would someone actually come to install those?

Does someone, besides your pervert neighbor want to film you on your house? And why? I don't mean in any utopia sense, or East Germany, etc., I mean for real, in there where you live, right now?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by klinton

what you doing now is spreading your lazy sleepy finnish deepforest bullshit,

Originally Posted by aka123

So, if you guys would volunteer for cameras: would someone actually come to install those?

Does someone, besides your pervert neighbor want to film you on your house? And why? I don't mean in any utopia sense, or East Germany, etc., I mean for real, in there where you live, right now?

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by Jel

Anyone who is ok with this is a submissive sheep, and dumb as fuck to boot. The End.