Is the industry ready to admit that the middle men have too much control?

[SwirlsGirl]

Nothing wrong with admitting it, because one thing that Jesus loves is the truth.

Remember Jesus himself had to flip the table and send the money changers scurrying.

Jesus did not post his gripes about middle men and money changers on message boards, nor did Jesus speak to the money changers as if they were GOD.

Jesus slammed his fist on the table of the money changers and flipped that table over with red rage in his eyes!

Something happened within the past 2000 years...I come to ass backwards gfy and its a collective orgy of money changer/middlemen blind worship and allegiance.

U won't dare fathom a better world less dependent on money changers, because the money changers have carefully programmed you to believe that you cannot exist without them

I do not worship money changers nor do I view them as God despite the petty power they have to control what revenue you generate.

So if Jesus can admit it why can't you?

Do the middle men have too much control over the flow of electronic credit card transactions?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Remember Jesus himself....

You lost me when you started citing 'Jesus' and anything relevant to the rest of the world.

Once you start quoting imaginary people from the jewish book of fairy tales you have lost all credibility.

[TheSquealer]

The last thing that bitter, failed people in life do is accept personal responsibility or hold themselves accountable for their results. You've blamed everything under the sun on this forum. Thats not a coincidence.

[Mickey_]

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[SwirlsGirl]

How about we all sing,dance, and praise the money changers for doing us the service of converting our sales into short term credit loans, and selling us our money back at 15-20%

If you have not changed your reasoning you will not understand how your sales are converted into loans by the middle men before you touch them

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You lost me when you started citing 'Jesus' and anything relevant to the rest of the world.

Once you start quoting imaginary people from the jewish book of fairy tales you have lost all credibility.

Barefootsie I am not religious but I know some history and try to use a biblical example to illustrate how no matter what times we are in, there is nothing new under the sun.

I can't stand religious peopleof any type and I do believe whole heartedly religion is an opiate for the masses

[Sly]

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

How about we all sing,dance, and praise the money changers for doing us the service of converting our sales into short term credit loans, and selling us our money back at 15-20%

If you want to cite facts that's fine, open a history book. In regards to your recurring gripes, that's been associated with the jew throughout history if you're referring the banks, charging interest, and lending practices dating back thousands of years.

It has little to do with religious fodder.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Barefootsie I am not religious...

Excellent. I like you more already.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

How about we all sing,dance, and praise the money changers for doing us the service of converting our sales into short term credit loans, and selling us our money back at 15-20%

If you have not changed your reasoning you will not understand how your sales are converted into loans by the middle men before you touch them

Start your own billing, problem solved

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Roald

Start your own billing, problem solved

The great thing about crazy people who rely on conspiracy to validate their insanity, is that the conspiracy never stops. She can't create her own billing when all banks... nay, the entire financial system is responsible for her getting only 1 sale a day when it should be... at least 2.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Nothing wrong with admitting it, because one thing that Jesus loves is the truth.

Remember Jesus himself had to flip the table and send the money changers scurrying.

Jesus did not post his gripes about middle men and money changers on message boards, nor did Jesus speak to the money changers as if they were GOD.

Jesus slammed his fist on the table of the money changers and flipped that table over with red rage in his eyes!

Something happened within the past 2000 years...I come to ass backwards gfy and its a collective orgy of money changer/middlemen blind worship and allegiance.

U won't dare fathom a better world less dependent on money changers, because the money changers have carefully programmed you to believe that you cannot exist without them

I do not worship money changers nor do I view them as God despite the petty power they have to control what revenue you generate.

So if Jesus can admit it why can't you?

Do the middle men have too much control over the flow of electronic credit card transactions?

Seriously, why don't you come here and talk about your latest shoots and stuff like that?

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Seriously, why don't you come here and talk about your latest shoots and stuff like that?

Never thought of that, do you think that would be a good idea?

My fans love to hear about my video shoots, but I do not have any fans on gfy

Besides nothing rattles cages and stirs the pot like a question or comment about middle men

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Excellent. I like you more already.

See that Barefootsie, we actually do have something we *AGREE* on...LOL and yes it hurt posting that we agree on something but I am actually glad we do agree on something!

I thought after all these years we would never find any common ground

anyways good to know we agree on something for the first time!

[mineistaken]

I just read Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus and decided not to read further

[Si]

Originally Posted by Sly

"Banker's" / "Meet the banker's".

Very credible youtube video there huh?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Never thought of that, do you think that would be a good idea?

My fans love to hear about my video shoots, but I do not have any fans on gfy

Besides nothing rattles cages and stirs the pot like a question or comment about middle men

Anything that would impress a fan most likely is of interest to webmasters that may
consider promoting your site.

Some of the webmasters here have a lot of traffic and impressing one of them with your
program would easily send your sales skyrocketing.

People complain that sales are down, but I do still make sales and that's important because I don't truly consider that I have any traffic. I call my traffic "no traffic".
So I see what serious traffic could do.

I think it's not too hard to pick up some affiliates here just by posting some pics and
being up beat.

[FingerPrinter]

lunatics like wehateporn get banned, psycho disgusting cunts like swirlsgirl take over

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You lost me when you started citing 'Jesus' and anything relevant to the rest of the world.

Once you start quoting imaginary people from the jewish book of fairy tales you have lost all credibility.

what he said

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You lost me when you started citing 'Jesus' and anything relevant to the rest of the world.

Once you start quoting imaginary people from the jewish book of fairy tales you have lost all credibility.

in all fairness to the Jews the to rah isn't as much fairytale as you might imagine... many statements of law and arguments about law... much actual history as well

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Anything that would impress a fan most likely is of interest to webmasters that may
consider promoting your site.

Some of the webmasters here have a lot of traffic and impressing one of them with your
program would easily send your sales skyrocketing.

People complain that sales are down, but I do still make sales and that's important because I don't truly consider that I have any traffic. I call my traffic "no traffic".
So I see what serious traffic could do.

I think it's not too hard to pick up some affiliates here just by posting some pics and
being up beat.

Hey many thanks for that, that sure is very plausible sounding and I think I will try that out, I have some great content and maybe I should be sharing some of that content with people who have traffic like you say..LOL

We are like you we have no traffic but pound for pound we bang out sales.

Sadly knowing what I know now, regardless of your traffic numbers, regardless of your affiliate numbers...you will only be as successful as your middle man *ALLOWS* you to be.

That is the sad undeniable undebatable truth in this business....and that is why I ask is the industry ready to admit that too much control over transactions are in the hands of the middle men and not the hands of the merchants

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Anything that would impress a fan most likely is of interest to webmasters that may
consider promoting your site.

Some of the webmasters here have a lot of traffic and impressing one of them with your
program would easily send your sales skyrocketing.

People complain that sales are down, but I do still make sales and that's important because I don't truly consider that I have any traffic. I call my traffic "no traffic".
So I see what serious traffic could do.

I think it's not too hard to pick up some affiliates here just by posting some pics and
being up beat.

Personally, I would consider sending traffic to the site and it would blow her own sales out of the water. The only thing stopping me is Sara. She's fucking crazy and I don't send traffic to lunatics. It's too valuable to risk.

[SwirlsGirl]

It would not be very hard to over haul things either I know many think I am psycho and lunatic but please offer me a valid reason why the following prospect would not benefit us webmasters and merchants...

Why would real time, working and accurate stats not be made functional for us merchants when they are 100% functional for the middle men?

Of all my issues and concerns and theories, I wait for one explanation as to why sales stats thru 3rd party cannot be made real time like if you had your own merchant account?

If you do not know why perhaps I can tell you why...if you do know why...then why act like I am crazy when it is logical and intelligent to want real time stats of your data and sales?

It all boils down to a mind trick, and how much blind trust you are willing to have.

I am saying if you implement real time stats the need for trust evaporates because there is no delay in data transmission.

No delay in data transmission means this...VERY VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO MANIPULATE DATA

ALSO means more reliable data, and more peace of mind for you the merchant or you the webmaster

[Roald]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Sadly knowing what I know now, regardless of your traffic numbers, regardless of your affiliate numbers...you will only be as successful as your middle man *ALLOWS* you to be.

How is that?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Personally, I would consider sending traffic to the site and it would blow her own sales out of the water. The only thing stopping me is Sara. She's fucking crazy and I don't send traffic to lunatics. It's too valuable to risk.

Not really a risk. She's been around for a long long time with only minor problems.
She blows the problem up sky high with drama on the board though.

If you have the right traffic then that site is pretty easy money.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

It would not be very hard to over haul things either I know many think I am psycho and lunatic but please offer me a valid reason why the following prospect would not benefit us webmasters and merchants...

Why would real time, working and accurate stats not be made functional for us merchants when they are 100% functional for the middle men?

Of all my issues and concerns and theories, I wait for one explanation as to why sales stats thru 3rd party cannot be made real time like if you had your own merchant account?

If you do not know why perhaps I can tell you why...if you do know why...then why act like I am crazy when it is logical and intelligent to want real time stats of your data and sales?

It all boils down to a mind trick, and how much blind trust you are willing to have.

I am saying if you implement real time stats the need for trust evaporates because there is no delay in data transmission.

No delay in data transmission means this...VERY VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO MANIPULATE DATA

ALSO means more reliable data, and more peace of mind for you the merchant or you the webmaster

Think of it like pro sports, look at the agents/managers/NFL/Union/etc...
They are all in the players wallet; yet without the system the players make nothing.

Make all you can make out of the game with the rules, because you don't make the rules.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Not really a risk. She's been around for a long long time with only minor problems.
She blows the problem up sky high with drama on the board though.

If you have the right traffic then that site is pretty easy money.

As long as she isn't switching billers

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Roald

Start your own billing, problem solved

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Don't say that! This is all she has to cling on to. It's fair easier to simply blame some amorphous "them" when things don't go as you wish them, rather than to actually do it for yourself.

It would take far more knowledge gathering, effort, contact working and struggle to put together a billing system for herself then she is willing to put out, poor thing.

This way she can be comforted by the thought that she is simply a victim of "them", and that NO normal person can do what "they" do. Only the all-powerful "they" can start a billing company.

Leave her alone to these thoughts, everyone deserves to be able to comfort themselves.




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P.S. Why don't you get your own merchant account, rather than go through 3rd party billing?




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[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Personally, I would consider sending traffic to the site and it would blow her own sales out of the water. The only thing stopping me is Sara. She's fucking crazy and I don't send traffic to lunatics. It's too valuable to risk.

Send it to me instead then.

Middle men exist because most people don't want the responsibility of handling everything themselves nor are most people CAPABLE of handling something as complicated as credit, banking and online transactions. Thus, a CCBill or Verotel exists. There are many links in this financial chain.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Nothing wrong with admitting it, because one thing that Jesus loves is the truth.

Remember Jesus himself had to flip the table and send the money changers scurrying.

Jesus did not post his gripes about middle men and money changers on message boards, nor did Jesus speak to the money changers as if they were GOD.

Jesus slammed his fist on the table of the money changers and flipped that table over with red rage in his eyes!

Something happened within the past 2000 years...I come to ass backwards gfy and its a collective orgy of money changer/middlemen blind worship and allegiance.

U won't dare fathom a better world less dependent on money changers, because the money changers have carefully programmed you to believe that you cannot exist without them

I do not worship money changers nor do I view them as God despite the petty power they have to control what revenue you generate.

So if Jesus can admit it why can't you?

Do the middle men have too much control over the flow of electronic credit card transactions?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I just read Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus and decided not to read further

bless you

[arock10]

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Do the middle men have too much control over the flow of electronic credit card transactions?

No.

8char

[Sly]

I would rather "lose" 15% of $200,000 than "lose" 0% of $0.

;-)

[AshleyMobile]

Originally Posted by arock10

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by arock10

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Send it to me instead then.

Middle men exist because most people don't want the responsibility of handling everything themselves nor are most people CAPABLE of handling something as complicated as credit, banking and online transactions. Thus, a CCBill or Verotel exists. There are many links in this financial chain.

It's dog walking and dinner time here. Let's talk tomorrow.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by arock10

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

lol, using CCBill I see

[Lichen]

Why don't you get your own merchant account? That way you get real-time stats and no middle men.

You won't get rich processing through CCbill.

[signupdamnit]

I think it's largely a corrupt industry and regulations by the credit card companies and banks now increasingly create conditions which favor the larger players over the smaller players. It would be nice if something like Paypal were possible in adult as this would remove some of that control and cut out a middle man or two. But there's a reason it hasn't happened yet - certain powerful people don't want to see it. It's an interesting situation really. The major players abuse conditions by doing things such as banging cards and committing outright scams (with the processors looking the other way) and so in response the credit card companies and the banks create more regulations ($500 registration fees, compliance, no questions asked charge back policies, reduce the likelihood for adult transactions to be approved,etc) and fees which help to push out the competitors of the people most responsible for abusing the system in the first place. So they still gain just the same.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by arock10

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

OMG...best response in the whole damn thread!!!

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by arock10

Jesus slammed his fist down and flipped over the table and said damnit it's been 2000 years and still these stats haven't finished loading

Mad fucking funny that was

[DTK]

SwirlsGirl, I've watched you blame everyone but yourself for your lack of success.

I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but have you ever considered looking in the mirror for the root of your difficulties?

[Tom_PM]

Are adult sales high risk or not? I guess that's about it.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by Lichen

Why don't you get your own merchant account? That way you get real-time stats and no middle men.

You won't get rich processing through CCbill.

Well we are in the hunt for a merchant account and are formulating a strategy now to secure one.

There is one company who has a great reputation that we started working with in the summer of 2011.

things were going fine and then shall we say a small *MISUNDERSTANDING* got twisted and distorted into something it truly wasn't and the so called good folks at this company turned their backs on us and threw us under the bus.

Our settlement funds were intercepted,seized,stolen, merchant account closed, and reputation ruined over this misunderstanding.

They will not offer us a chance to work with them again but they are in every thread hunting, begging, praying for new business.

They have stated they are willing to secure a merchant account to process for Saraswirls.com but they are first mandating that we sell saraswirls to some one else first before they will consider setting up the merchant account...LOL ...now that says what?

[ShellShocked]

SwirlsGirl = Pimpdog

I say start your own billing company and complain to yourself about it.

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Nothing wrong with admitting it, because one thing that Jesus loves is the truth.

Remember Jesus himself had to flip the table and send the money changers scurrying.

Jesus did not post his gripes about middle men and money changers on message boards, nor did Jesus speak to the money changers as if they were GOD.

Jesus slammed his fist on the table of the money changers and flipped that table over with red rage in his eyes!

Something happened within the past 2000 years...I come to ass backwards gfy and its a collective orgy of money changer/middlemen blind worship and allegiance.

U won't dare fathom a better world less dependent on money changers, because the money changers have carefully programmed you to believe that you cannot exist without them

I do not worship money changers nor do I view them as God despite the petty power they have to control what revenue you generate.

So if Jesus can admit it why can't you?

Do the middle men have too much control over the flow of electronic credit card transactions?

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by DTK

SwirlsGirl, I've watched you blame everyone but yourself for your lack of success.

I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but have you ever considered looking in the mirror for the root of your difficulties?

What kind of jack leg moron are you? With all due respect mother fucker I am successful...success is not measured in over rated fiat paper or filthy lucre...

success is measured by endurance and longevity and even after being smeared endlessly by trolls, and gfy asshats, even after being burned by middlemen and having 10's of thousands of dollars STOLEN by middle men....

I am still here respected by my fans and still able to generate funds and revenue thru my craft...so who the fuck are you to ask me to blame myself for not being successful.

My husband and I built something from the ground up with our bare hands, with no hand outs, no loans, no credit lines, no help, and no support.

9 years later when you see that cuckolding has exploded and is ever increasing in popularity, I can sit back and say we made some genuine contributions to the lifestyle, as well as innovated some ways to profit and live comfortably from the lifestyle.

I think that in it of itself is reason to feel successful...when I get emails from real people of various ages, races, nationalities, and literally from all over the world, thanking me for my work, and asking me to never stop, and telling me that nobody does what I do the way I do it, it is very comforting and gratifying even if I am not doing 100 sales a day I do not need to.

I never got in this to be rich...our only goal was to be comfortable and not dependent on anyone to survive which is exactly the case so thanks but have a little fuck U...its free!

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by ShellShocked

SwirlsGirl = Pimpdog

I say start your own billing company and complain to yourself about it.

I know I hear that suggestion everyone makes but I cannot pull off an approval decline on someone else and sleep comfortably so billing is not my forte'

Nor could I sit there and deny the flow of money to people who need it based on some computer derived algorythm that says this transaction has a 1% chance of charge back so lets not put the sale thru.

Then on top of that I would have to create a fraud department which I have come to suspect as a fraud coverup department.

Anyways billing is not my craft and I would rather focus on my craft and do what my fans enjoy.

However I should be able to come here amongst my industry colleagues and associates and discuss concerns without being attacked like its kindergarten all the time.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

They have stated they are willing to secure a merchant account to process for Saraswirls.com but they are first mandating that we sell saraswirls to some one else first before they will consider setting up the merchant account...LOL ...now that says what?

That they don't want to work with YOU ?

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