Be careful about what you say on your cellphone !!!

[JFK]

Big brother is alive and well, living in the USA

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/politi...rds/index.html

"As far as we know, this order from the FISA court is the broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued: it requires no level of suspicion and applies to all Verizon subscribers anywhere in the U.S.," the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a statement released shortly after the story broke."

"The four-page order, which The Guardian published on its website, requires the communications giant to turn over "originating and terminating" telephone numbers as well as the location, time and duration of the calls. The order, published on the newspaper's website, does not require the contents of conversations to be turned over."

So if true, ALL your conversations are being recorded

[sandman!]

this has been going on for years

[Markul]

yea in our country this is an anti-terror law forcing ISP's and phone companies to log everything for 5 years.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Markul

yea in our country this is an anti-terror law forcing ISP's and phone companies to log everything for 5 years.

once they have their foot in the door it will never stop, it will just get worse................

[DWB]

That is the price you pay for freedom.

</sarcasm>

[JFK]

Originally Posted by DWB

</sarcasm>

thanks forr including that

[AllAboutCams]

You need to start speaking in code

[JFK]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

You need to start speaking in code

where are the "windtalkers" when you need them ? ;)
http://www.faqs.org/espionage/Vo-Z/Windtalkers.html

[seeandsee]

this is everywhere, fucking spy

[JOKER]

Need true privacy? There's a company with apps for that. https://silentcircle.com

When will YOU step into the circle?

[lagcam]

My wife and kids never listen to me so I actually appreciate somebody taking an interest in what I say

[bronco67]

I always refer to weed as "coffee" like a paranoid idiot, but even if someone was listening in and knew I was talking about buying a bag, I know the FBI SWAT team isn't going to intervene in the buy.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Conversations = text not voice.

[georgeyw]

I think it is time to learn some aussie rhyming slang, that'll fuck ém!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by JFK

Big brother is alive and well, living in the USA

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/politi...rds/index.html

"As far as we know, this order from the FISA court is the broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued: it requires no level of suspicion and applies to all Verizon subscribers anywhere in the U.S.," the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a statement released shortly after the story broke."

"The four-page order, which The Guardian published on its website, requires the communications giant to turn over "originating and terminating" telephone numbers as well as the location, time and duration of the calls. The order, published on the newspaper's website, does not require the contents of conversations to be turned over."

So if true, ALL your conversations are being recorded

fuck! now the gov knows how to book porn models ...

[L-Pink]

That's a shit ton of data to wade thru.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by vvvvv

Conversations = text not voice.

are you certain ?

[onwebcam]

What's so stupid about this B.S. is anyone with half a brain knows to use disposable phones when conducting nefarious activities so once again the hunt for terrorists is nothing more than a snoop job on everyday Americans. I'm sure this is just a trial run for the new datacenter.

[Zuzana Designs]

Originally Posted by lagcam

My wife and kids never listen to me so I actually appreciate somebody taking an interest in what I say

lolz...........

[96ukssob]

It's what we DON'T know that's scary

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's a shit ton of data to wade thru.

their looking for certain words you trigger a word there's a black van a couple of houses down

[FingerPrinter]

[wouter112]

Cool! Then the president knows also that I am right when I have an argument with my girl on the phone :-)
It would be great if he could call her and explain that I am right :-) :-)

[Serge Litehead]

technology today allows to store enormous amounts of data cheaply, convert voice to text, sort/filter through text. anything that can be recorded eventually will be recorded and reprocessed at later times.

fortunately we also have SSL concept to counter any excess of 3rd party access to private exchange over communication networks. some future gen. phone models may have peer to peer encryption build-in and integrated with calls just like today it's integrated with email, https, sftp, ssh, etc.

[dyna mo]

thanks for keeping us updated on usa jfk!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by DWB

That is the price you pay for freedom.

</sarcasm>

the scary part is, people like rochard really believe this.

[dyna mo]

where do y'all draw the line on the price of freedom?

serious question.

speed limits? double yellow lines? crosswalks? guns? bombs? nuclear suitcases?

say whatever you want whenever you want whereever you want?

park your shit wherever? do whatever the fuck you want because, hey, that's true freedom for 800 million people?

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter

[_Richard_]

been this way since the patriot act, which was them making it legal, so it's probably been happening for some time

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

where do y'all draw the line on the price of freedom?

serious question.

speed limits? double yellow lines? crosswalks? guns? bombs? nuclear suitcases?

say whatever you want whenever you want whereever you want?

park your shit wherever? do whatever the fuck you want because, hey, that's true freedom for 800 million people?

Its pretty simple really...Your freedom ends where someone elses begins.

The Constitution as pretty clear that it limits what the government can do, not grants rights to people but recognizes rights as inalienable. The Patriot Act, FISA, The NDA, RICO, The war on (pick one) all usurp those freedoms, in the name of keeping us safe from these government created dragons.

Our founding fathers saw that this was a dangerous possibility and Ben Franklin himself said something to the effect that anyone who gives up his freedom for security deserves neither

[Rochard]

I know we have the right to privacy, etc... But man, my cell phone conversations are really boring.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Its pretty simple really...Your freedom ends where someone elses begins.

The Constitution as pretty clear that it limits what the government can do, not grants rights to people but recognizes rights as inalienable. The Patriot Act, FISA, The NDA, RICO, The war on (pick one) all usurp those freedoms, in the name of keeping us safe from these government created dragons.

Our founding fathers saw that this was a dangerous possibility and Ben Franklin himself said something to the effect that anyone who gives up his freedom for security deserves neither

yes, thank you. it's important to me that we all try to be clear on what the problem is.

1st, i don't have a clearcut solution to the problem. tbh, i don't think there is one. i respect the shit out of Robbie and similar who are completely fed up with the current state of affairs and i get that, but there's 800 million people here, unfortunately that means we need laws and orders. that's an unfortunate side-effect.

so to me, the question is, in 2013 with the verizons of the world being able to record what their customers call, is that a big deal slippery slope new level or is it just like you and me- we happen to know what porn our customers buy and have a record of their porn preferences, when they bought, how long the browsed it, from what computer they surfed my porn, etc.


you bring it up in an interesting way, the ben franklin quote, which the specific quote taken in context is not about civil liberties. i became interested in the quote a while back and took a peek into it, here is a terrific article describing what franklin really meant

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/w...n-really-said/

[Tom_PM]

Man they must be wonder what I'm doing with no cell phones and using the land line like once a day. What's he DOING in there!??

[baddog]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Its pretty simple really...Your freedom ends where someone elses begins.

The Constitution as pretty clear that it limits what the government can do, not grants rights to people but recognizes rights as inalienable. The Patriot Act, FISA, The NDA, RICO, The war on (pick one) all usurp those freedoms, in the name of keeping us safe from these government created dragons.

Our founding fathers saw that this was a dangerous possibility and Ben Franklin himself said something to the effect that anyone who gives up his freedom for security deserves neither

RICO usurps your freedoms? How so?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

thanks for keeping us updated on usa jfk!

absolute pleasure sir

[adulttraffic]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's a shit ton of data to wade thru.

LOL and they have the computer networks to handle the job.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Its pretty simple really...Your freedom ends where someone elses begins.

The Constitution as pretty clear that it limits what the government can do, not grants rights to people but recognizes rights as inalienable. The Patriot Act, FISA, The NDA, RICO, The war on (pick one) all usurp those freedoms, in the name of keeping us safe from these government created dragons.

Our founding fathers saw that this was a dangerous possibility and Ben Franklin himself said something to the effect that anyone who gives up his freedom for security deserves neither

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by wouter112

Cool! Then the president knows also that I am right when I have an argument with my girl on the phone :-)
It would be great if he could call her and explain that I am right :-) :-)

"Hi miss.. this is President Obama. I am just calling you to let you know that your boyfriend is right. Do not argue about it. You are wrong."

lol I can just see how that would go over.

[eipstudios]

Breaking News!!! Codename PRISM: Secret government program mines data from 9 U.S. Internet companies, including photographs, email and more!!

[_Richard_]

why is this news?

they reported this in 2006:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6058346-7.html

AT&T whistleblower claims to document illegal NSA surveillance

April 6, 2006 12:26 AM PDT

[Due]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

What's so stupid about this B.S. is anyone with half a brain knows to use disposable phones when conducting nefarious activities so once again the hunt for terrorists is nothing more than a snoop job on everyday Americans. I'm sure this is just a trial run for the new datacenter.

disposable phones doesn't make a huge difference if ALL lines are being monitored. Any phone can always be tracked back to a location. Unless you as well as the person you are calling is replacing the phone each time it will be traceable. Even if you both change phone numbers each time it can be traced by the location if you are calling someone on a regular basis from the same place.
Until they start looking for you then you are nothing but a number, using this number they can pretty much track you back for as far as they if they stored the data

[eipstudios]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

why is this news?

they reported this in 2006:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6058346-7.html

AT&T whistleblower claims to document illegal NSA surveillance

April 6, 2006 12:26 AM PDT

This is not news? You knew this was happening?
Secret program gives NSA, FBI backdoor access to Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft data


http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/440...t-others-prism

The US National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation have been harvesting data such as audio, video, photographs, emails, and documents from the internal servers of nine major technology companies, according to a leaked 41-slide security presentation obtained by The Washington Post and The Guardian. According to The Washington Post, the program's slides were provided by a "career intelligence officer" that had "firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities," and wished to expose the programs "gross intrusion on privacy."

The program, codenamed PRISM, is considered highly classified and has never been made public before. The list of companies involved are the who's who of Silicon Valley: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. Dropbox, though not yet an official part of the program, is said to be joining it soon. These companies have all willingly participated in the program, says the Post.

According to the leaked presentation, the program has been in action since 2007, and is considered the biggest contributor to the daily briefings given to the President, providing data in 1,477 articles last year alone. Allegedly, nearly one in seven intelligence reports from the NSA contains data from the PRISM program. The NSA has the ability to pull any sort of data it likes from these companies, but it claims that it does not try to collect it all. The PRISM program goes above and beyond the existing laws that state companies must comply with government requests for data, as it gives the NSA direct access to each company's servers ? essentially letting the NSA do as it pleases. The program was initiated to overcome what the NSA saw as constraints within the existing FISA warrant program that did not allow the agency to make us of the "home-field advantage" provided by having most of the internet's biggest companies on US soil.

"The who's who of Silicon Valley are involved in the NSA's PRISM program"

Microsoft was the first company to bow to the government's wishes and join the PRISM program in 2007, while Apple held out for five years before agreeing. Though Google and Facebook are a part of PRISM, Twitter has not yet joined. Apparently, the only members of Congress that knew about PRISM's existence were bound by oath not to speak of it publicly. In a statement provided to both The Washington Post and The Guardian, Google denied that the government had any sort of backdoor access to its systems:

"Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'backdoor' into our systems, but Google does not have a 'backdoor' for the government to access private user data."

The US National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation have been harvesting data such as audio, video, photographs, emails, and documents from the internal servers of nine major technology companies, according to a leaked 41-slide security presentation obtained by The Washington Post and The Guardian. According to The Washington Post, the program's slides were provided by a "career intelligence officer" that had "firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities," and wished to expose the programs "gross intrusion on privacy."

The program, codenamed PRISM, is considered highly classified and has never been made public before. The list of companies involved are the who's who of Silicon Valley: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. Dropbox, though not yet an official part of the program, is said to be joining it soon. These companies have all willingly participated in the program, says the Post.

According to the leaked presentation, the program has been in action since 2007, and is considered the biggest contributor to the daily briefings given to the President, providing data in 1,477 articles last year alone. Allegedly, nearly one in seven intelligence reports from the NSA contains data from the PRISM program. The NSA has the ability to pull any sort of data it likes from these companies, but it claims that it does not try to collect it all. The PRISM program goes above and beyond the existing laws that state companies must comply with government requests for data, as it gives the NSA direct access to each company's servers ? essentially letting the NSA do as it pleases. The program was initiated to overcome what the NSA saw as constraints within the existing FISA warrant program that did not allow the agency to make us of the "home-field advantage" provided by having most of the internet's biggest companies on US soil.

"The who's who of Silicon Valley are involved in the NSA's PRISM program"

Microsoft was the first company to bow to the government's wishes and join the PRISM program in 2007, while Apple held out for five years before agreeing. Though Google and Facebook are a part of PRISM, Twitter has not yet joined. Apparently, the only members of Congress that knew about PRISM's existence were bound by oath not to speak of it publicly. In a statement provided to both The Washington Post and The Guardian, Google denied that the government had any sort of backdoor access to its systems:

"Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'backdoor' into our systems, but Google does not have a 'backdoor' for the government to access private user data."

[brassmonkey]

why is it backdoor access instead of just access??

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter

[CDSmith]

Once, in a long distance phone conversation with a USA-based webmaster, I was describing a certain model saying "she's so dirty", followed by "she's the bomb". Unbeknownst to me gov't monitoring software picked up on "dirty bomb", and for the next week there was a suspicious van with the name and logo of some local plumbing company written on the side parked out front of my house.

My neighbors said they had a drain backup problem in their basement and were getting a sump pump put in, but I knew what was really going on.

Damn FBI. Even in Canada, they can get to you.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by eipstudios

This is not news? You knew this was happening?
Secret program gives NSA, FBI backdoor access to Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft data


http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/440...t-others-prism

i posted a link of an article about it back from 2006

[eipstudios]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i posted a link of an article about it back from 2006

So..... Are you FBI? You have to tell me.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by eipstudios

So..... Are you FBI? You have to tell me.

[crockett]

Say thanks to the patriot act!

[alias]

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter