Totemcash, for real?

[Mr. Stiff]

Are you serious?

As you might be aware of, two models filled lawsuits against Totem Entertainment and/or Totem Front Office alleging we were using their images without their authorization.

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This is a written Notice from TOTEM FRONT OFFICE ceasing the licence to use the images of the models named "Camillia" and "Dovile" (later renamed "Divine") you were granted.

Please remove all names, images and videos of both girls from your servers and websites.

Failure to comply with this written notice would constitutes a copyright infringement as you no longer have a licence to use their images. It may also result in the suspension or termination of the agreement between Totem Front Office and you. According to the agreement, If it is terminated because you have violated its terms you are not eligible to receive any commission payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination.

You really think webmasters keep track of which models are published on every site they own?

Showing their mugshots in this e-mail would at least help the webmasters identify the girls.. You didn't..

So you really expect your affiliates to scan all their sites looking for a Camillia/Dovile/Divine ?

[TrashyGirl]

yeah, especially when they have 1,200+ models.... according to their email.

[Harmon]

You really have to keep a tight ship these days... as well as always.

You need to keep track of your stuff. This is adult. It has ALWAYS been a volatile industry, Don't expect people to feel bad for you because you threw a few hundred random galleries of women naked that suddenly want out and you failed to keep your records straight.

Feel grateful that you have always been paid (on time) by a reputable company for doing next to nothing.

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by Harmon

You really have to keep a tight ship these days... as well as always.

You need to keep track of your stuff. This is adult. It has ALWAYS been a volatile industry, Don't expect people to feel bad for you because you threw a few hundred random galleries of women naked that suddenly want out and you failed to keep your records straight.

Feel grateful that you have always been paid (on time) by a reputable company for doing next to nothing.

Erm, that is their fault for getting into adult.... lol!

[dappz-datton]

ummmmm this is crazy

[TheDA]

At least they are giving you a warning about it.

IF your site goes offline because of a DMCA or whatever in the future, you might at least know why

[signupdamnit]

I see why they aren't including a photo but including the clause about keeping payments earned prior to the termination makes them sound like scammers who are doing this to be able to rip off affiliates. More than likely they are going to try to be reasonable and warn people of the urls where the bad content is prior to terminating them. Then again this is adult where scumbaggery and morons are the norm.

Originally Posted by Harmon

You really have to keep a tight ship these days... as well as always.

You need to keep track of your stuff. This is adult. It has ALWAYS been a volatile industry, Don't expect people to feel bad for you because you threw a few hundred random galleries of women naked that suddenly want out and you failed to keep your records straight.

Feel grateful that you have always been paid (on time) by a reputable company for doing next to nothing.

This is one of the dumbest posts I have seen here in recent times and that is saying a lot. So what are affiliates supposed to do, keep a database of every single model and url where they appear? Hopefully you have enough intelligence to realize now that 1) we aren't all Freeones 2) It's a ridiculous amount of extra work and may not even be possible considering models sometimes have different names or are not always named by the sponsor.

[Celine]

Please search the following strings in your DB:
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a0256
g=235
a0257
g=236
a0258
g=237
a0259
g=222
a0260
g=238
a0095
g=128
a0096
g= 65
a0097
g=131
a0098
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g=130
a0100
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Thanks!

[Markul]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stiff

Are you serious?



You really think webmasters keep track of which models are published on every site they own?

Showing their mugshots in this e-mail would at least help the webmasters identify the girls.. You didn't..

So you really expect your affiliates to scan all their sites looking for a Camillia/Dovile/Divine ?

This very much looks like a legal "cover my ass" move *shrug*

[Sexy Rex]

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

Sorry to hear about the problem Rex

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

This is one of the dumbest posts I have seen here in recent times and that is saying a lot. So what are affiliates supposed to do, keep a database of every single model and url where they appear? Hopefully you have enough intelligence to realize now that 1) we aren't all Freeones 2) It's a ridiculous amount of extra work and may not even be possible considering models sometimes have different names or are not always named by the sponsor.

Well, if you do not have the motivation or knowledge on how to keep your shit straight, I guess you are in the wrong industry. Extra work? Are you fucking lazy? Get a job at McDonalds man. That way you can just roll out of bed and stand there like a zombie and earn money... with no extra effort.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

So what are affiliates supposed to do, keep a database of every single model and url where they appear?

Yes, it's called "2257 compliance"

[Relentless]

So, a respectable company you work for as an affiliate got sued and revoked the permission you rely on to use images of a couple models out of thousands. They sent you a polite letter explaining the move and expect you to comply with it.

That seems to be EXACTLY what should happen in these situations. Be a professional, remove the images of those models and replace them with other models. It takes less time to fix it than to whine about it.

[- Jesus Christ -]

The legal system being used like a bib to wipe drool from the lips of misandric cunts....

Just one more reason I welcome the coming social collapse.

[pornmasta]

http://www.virtuagirl.biz/camillia.htm
or
camillia ?
http://galleries.pichunter.com/krawl...127/index.html

http://www.xxxswim.com/virtual-girls...e-pumpkin-day/

thx google...

[Celine]

you know, it takes time to clean the web, especially for VirtuaGirl, set almost everywhere...
thx for the links anyway

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

I thought "According to the agreement, If it is terminated because you have violated its terms you are not eligible to receive any commission payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination." was a bit strong to be honest...

The idea of affiliates keeping some sort of DB of images, videos and model names that you you have used over 15 years or more in some cases is ridiculous - I very much doubt Harmon has one either.....

As for the comment about 2257 docs, affiliates don't have those in general. For many others 2257 is not even applicable...

If we find a pic, your account can be closed - Goodbye money - That's very aggressive.....

I like Totem and recommend everyone have at least one banner on their sites - However, this is not cool...

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

Wait, you used their images without authorization, yet you are good peoples?

GGW called and wanted their MO back

[california]

Is this why they want to collect all affiliates ID's all of a sudden? WTF is this?

In order to maintain the highest level of security, we require all our affiliates to provide us with certain documentation in order to verify their accounts.

Why do I need to provide documentation?

There are several reasons. We believe knowing our customers is one of the keys for overcoming fraud. Fraudsters repeatedly change their IDs and use numerous accounts with small transaction volumes, making them less likely to arouse suspicion. Once the scam is discovered they "disappear". Worse, those fraudsters come back and repeat their scam over and over again. Scammers love anonymity, and anonymity attracts them in drove. At the end, the more we loose because of Scammers, the less we can afford to pay our trusted affiliates or invest in production.
Secondly, our payment processors require that our policies are in line with international banking standards. A proven business relationship with each and every affiliate is mandatory for the protection of all parties. Our licensing agreement also obliges us to comply with this.
Finally, by ensuring that your account details are absolutely correct, the inconvenience of 'missing payments' can be avoided. It can take weeks (and sometimes months) to trace, recall and resend using the correct information.

What documents do I need to provide?

For the reasons described above, we require the following personal information to become a Verified Member: Photo ID such as a passport or Driver's License is preferred. If you don't have either of these, certain other official identification cards may be permissible. These will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. We also need proof of the address on your account with us. A utility bill (water, electricity, cable, cell phone) in your name is best, but a bank statement or credit card statement is also acceptable.

When do I need to provide these documents?

We greatly appreciate your cooperation in providing these at your earliest possible convenience to avoid any delays in processing your payments.

How can I send you these documents?

Please scan your documents, or take a high quality digital camera picture, save the images as jpegs, then upload the files using our secure form in your profile. The attachment or attachments should not exceed 5MB in total and ideally should be much smaller.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

The info in post #8 referencing the set numbers to remove would have been more helpful than just the model's names.

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

Not everyone who values their privacy should be treated like a scammer. Likewise, established affiliates (either individuals or companies) should be excluded from this verification process.

From a different perspective, how can TotemCash assure affiliates that they will protect their sensitive information? Just look at what happened with *************. Performers thought their private info would remain safe and secure, but now it is everywhere.

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by california

Is this why they want to collect all affiliates ID's all of a sudden? WTF is this?

WFT? I won't provide anything, they don't convert... they can close my account

LINKS PULLED

[shimmy2]

sorry to hear man. content shooters ass always on the frontline

[Sexy Rex]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Wait, you used their images without authorization, yet you are good peoples?

GGW called and wanted their MO back

I can't go too much into details as the case is still in court, but the two models have been filmed the same way we filmed over 1200 others since 1998, they got paid, signed a contract. Today they want to erase all their images from the net and are suying everyone. A juge decided we needed to pull the images and that's what we're doing.

[Sexy Rex]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

The info in post #8 referencing the set numbers to remove would have been more helpful than just the model's names.

Not everyone who values their privacy should be treated like a scammer. Likewise, established affiliates (either individuals or companies) should be excluded from this verification process.

From a different perspective, how can TotemCash assure affiliates that they will protect their sensitive information? Just look at what happened with *************. Performers thought their private info would remain safe and secure, but now it is everywhere.

The KYC rule has been enforced to new affiliates and guess what, no new scammers since That's for the benefit of everyone, us and all honest affiliates.

We asked current affiliate to provide their documents but there is no consequences for thoses who don't comply. As for security, all files are encrypted.

[CaptainHowdy]

Shit happens, especially when dealing with women. I just hope this image never leaves the internet...

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The idea of affiliates keeping some sort of DB of images, videos and model names that you you have used over 15 years or more in some cases is ridiculous - I very much doubt Harmon has one either.....

I do. All my content is labeled under a model, which is labeled under a pay site, which is labeled under a sponsor. Totem sends me an email saying Camilla has sued and wants her images removed, I go into my control panel, select Totem from my sponsors, get a list of all models and content associated with that sponsor, find "camilla" and hit "delete model" and all her stuff is now gone.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

I can't go too much into details as the case is still in court, but the two models have been filmed the same way we filmed over 1200 others since 1998, they got paid, signed a contract. Today they want to erase all their images from the net and are suying everyone. A judge decided we needed to pull the images and that's what we're doing.

This sounds very fishy. First of all most models or former models are broke and don't have enough money to actually sue anyone. Even if they threaten to sue via telephone or email , they almost never follow through on it. Even if they do have an attorney contact you, it almost never goes beyond a form letter which is sent solely in the hopes that the producer or company that owns their images immediately caves in to their bullshit demands. Even fewer still actually go beyond the point of having an attorney send a letter and file a real lawsuit- again hoping that the company caves in- and fewer still would actually have an attorney show up for an initial hearing in a civil court which makes this real.

So not only would all those unlikely events have to happen by not one but two models, but the company would have a pretty open and shut case if the model got paid and the releases and paperwork was in order. I don't know what country or jurisdiction you are in, but do you expect affiliates to actually believe that not one but TWO cases were filed by two different models, that they both went all the way through trial and that you were represented by an attorney twice and you lost both cases when as you say "a judge decided you need to pull all images"? By the way did the judge make a decision yet as you claim or is it "still in court"? Aren't those mutually exclusive?

Frankly, it seems much more likely that you guys just caved in to two models' requests to take their images down because A- you don't have the proper IDs, releases or documentation on file in order to defend yourselves; or B- you figure it's easier and cheaper to just give up immediately and shift the burden and hassle of removing the content to your affiliates.

You better hope your 1200 other models don't get wind of this in either case- whether you caved in twice or lost two lawsuits- because it could lead to an avalanche of other take down requests by former models. If I was an affiliate I would think twice before promoting a company that pulled content like this.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

I can't go too much into details as the case is still in court, but the two models have been filmed the same way we filmed over 1200 others since 1998, they got paid, signed a contract. Today they want to erase all their images from the net and are suying everyone. A juge decided we needed to pull the images and that's what we're doing.

If you had contract that states that you own the material and can publish it how come judge decided otherwise?
That would be one ridiculously stupid precedent

[Sexy Rex]

Hey Jim,

I know this is different from what you see in the US, but laws are often made different in other countries.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This sounds very fishy. First of all most models or former models are broke and don't have enough money to actually sue anyone. Even if they threaten to sue via telephone or email , they almost never follow through on it. Even if they do have an attorney contact you, it almost never goes beyond a form letter which is sent solely in the hopes that the producer or company that owns their images immediately caves in to their bullshit demands. Even fewer still actually go beyond the point of having an attorney send a letter and file a real lawsuit- again hoping that the company caves in- and fewer still would actually have an attorney show up for an initial hearing in a civil court which makes this real.

We're operating from France, where you can get a lawyer paid by the state if your income is low enough and that's what the two models did.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

So not only would all those unlikely events have to happen by not one but two models, but the company would have a pretty open and shut case if the model got paid and the releases and paperwork was in order. I don't know what country or jurisdiction you are in, but do you expect affiliates to actually believe that not one but TWO cases were filed by two different models, that they both went all the way through trial and that you were represented by an attorney twice and you lost both cases when as you say "a judge decided you need to pull all images"? By the way did the judge make a decision yet as you claim or is it "still in court"? Aren't those mutually exclusive?

Both models did an interim relief procedure asking for the images to be removed and a juge granted them that while waiting for the final trial where we'll know who was right or wrong.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Frankly, it seems much more likely that you guys just caved in to two models' requests to take their images down because A- you don't have the proper IDs, releases or documentation on file in order to defend yourselves; or B- you figure it's easier and cheaper to just give up immediately and shift the burden and hassle of removing the content to your affiliates.

Frankly, if I could have saved myself from all the bashing because we've been forced to ask affiliates to cease to use the images, believe me I would have done it.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey Jim,

I know this is different from what you see in the US, but laws are often made different in other countries.



We're operating from France, where you can get a lawyer paid by the state if your income is low enough and that's what the two models did.



Both models did an interim relief procedure asking for the images to be removed and a judge granted them that while waiting for the final trial where we'll know who was right or wrong.



Frankly, if I could have saved myself from all the bashing because we've been forced to ask affiliates to cease to use the images, believe me I would have done it.

That was a reasonable and very respectful explanation and since I don't know anything about French law, I certainly won't challenge you on it. Hope the judge rules in your favor when you get your trial. It just irks me as a producer to hear things like this since it's so difficult to comply not to mention unfair to have to go through that hassle as a producer, sponsor or affiliate.

[topsiteking]

Good luck Rex!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

Everyone knows you guys are stand up and been around forever... This is just a crappy situation.

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Hey, we've been sued by the two models and have no other choice than to contact our affiliates and ask for the removal of set or else.

I understand not everyone keeps a database of published content but I could not send photos of the two models as it's the very thing we've been sued for, using their pictures with no authorization.

We are not scammers, we've been around since 1998, are proud of our good reputation in the biz.

You are fucking retarded.

Offer to scan your affiliates sites with software or manually for the offending images and provide URLs to remove.</retard move>

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Yes, it's called "2257 compliance"

EXACTLY what I was thinking, this shouldn't be such a difficult request if people are keeping proper 2257 records.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

I do. All my content is labeled under a model, which is labeled under a pay site, which is labeled under a sponsor. Totem sends me an email saying Camilla has sued and wants her images removed, I go into my control panel, select Totem from my sponsors, get a list of all models and content associated with that sponsor, find "camilla" and hit "delete model" and all her stuff is now gone.

I am sure you are in the minority - Pay sites I am sure do it, but as affiliates its not common I can assure you...

Also, did you do that from day one - When you started did you do that or realize over time it was a good idea?....

As far as 2257 is concerned - It's a relatively recent thing and Totem predates it I am sure...

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I am sure you are in the minority - Pay sites I am sure do it, but as affiliates its not common I can assure you...

Also, did you do that from day one - When you started did you do that or realize over time it was a good idea?....

As far as 2257 is concerned - It's a relatively recent thing and Totem predates it I am sure...

I'm a programmer, my job is to make my own and other peoples stuff easier to use... I have always done it this way as far as I can remember, and I've been building websites since 2000.

Also anyone who uses my software will also have the same setup.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

I'm a programmer, my job is to make my own and other peoples stuff easier to use... I have always done it this way as far as I can remember, and I've been building websites since 2000.

Also anyone who uses my software will also have the same setup.

Don't listen to this fat, poor asshole. He hasn't a clue what it is I do around here. That's fine with me, as well as intended. Losers like him belong posting comments to threads they have no clue about.

That being said? Yes, control your content. As I stated before, this is an extremely volatile industry and always has been. Taking down content isn't anything new to those that have been around since '97 or so.

Just let the asshat be that asshat that he is. He wears it proud. Eddy critiquing me is like watching a dog hump a pile of donkey shit. It doesn't make sense, but you kind of have to accept it because the dog is so fucking stupid, it doesn't know any better.