Snowden is meeting human rights groups in SVO right now

[just a punk]

Just sayin'

[slapass]

This guy is crazy. He did all of this and never thought, what next?

[just a punk]

Will see. I have no idea either.

[JohnnyNight]

If you saw the 2 babes he met with I can see why he will be having a nice time in ussr...

he was all goofy smiles, like how did I get so lucky...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by JohnnyNight

he will be having a nice time in ussr...

[Rochard]

Why is he meeting with a human rights group? I mean, other than he is a criminal?

I am STILL waiting to see some documentation about how the US violated US Law here.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why is he meeting with a human rights group? I mean, other than he is a criminal?

I am STILL waiting to see some documentation about how the US violated US Law here.

how about you finally realize that the NSA violates laws here?

and the NSA doesnt want that published?

that might make him a criminal in your eyes - but a hero in mostly the rest of the world

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

how about you finally realize that the NSA violates laws here?

and the NSA doesnt want that published?

that might make him a criminal in your eyes - but a hero in mostly the rest of the world

germany doesn't spy?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

germany doesn't spy?

sure they do

everyone does

but they dont force Microsoft, Google etc. to give them the data of all US citizens. or just take them without even asking.

the difference between "old school" spying and what happens now, is that it now targets everyone - not just political or military targets

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

sure they do

everyone does

but they dont force Microsoft, Google etc. to give them the data of all US citizens. or just take them without even asking.

the difference between "old school" spying and what happens now, is that it now targets everyone - not just political or military targets

according to snowden's latest leak, microsoft willingly sat down with nsa and worked out go-arounds of their security protocols before they were even in place.

while they say that turned out to impact <.02% of outlook users, i'm still scratchiing my head over the willingness to *work together* on this sort of project. but it makes me think that prolly all nations and their native private companies are working together like this. usa, france, germany, all of our countries have embraced this snooping mentality.

yay tech! it will be the bane of our existence.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

how about you finally realize that the NSA violates laws here?

and the NSA doesnt want that published?

that might make him a criminal in your eyes - but a hero in mostly the rest of the world

Let's assume thats 100% true. Thats fine. It ignores all the same bullshit that Germany is doing, or that Germany was most likely a willing partner of the NSA as all allied countries tend to be... but whatever.

That all has nothing to do with Snowden being a criminal in the USA.

Terrorists who murder women and children are hero's in a lot of the world too.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

according to snowden's latest leak, microsoft willingly sat down with nsa and worked out go-arounds of their security protocols before they were even in place.

while they say that turned out to impact <.02% of outlook users, i'm still scratchiing my head over the willingness to *work together* on this sort of project. but it makes me think that prolly all nations and their native private companies are working together like this. usa, france, germany, all of our countries have embraced this snooping mentality.

yay tech! it will be the bane of our existence.

may or may not be - but without the current incidents it would have went widely unnoticed

and i am thankful for that

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that might make him a criminal in your eyes - but a hero in mostly the rest of the world

The funny thing is that NSA was spying for the US citizens (including Rochard and his family) in a same way as it was spying for citizens of other countries. It's impossible to identify a citizenship of people when you are reading their emails, listening their phone calls, analyzing their internet activity etc

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Let's assume thats 100% true. Thats fine. It ignores all the same bullshit that Germany is doing, or that Germany was most likely a willing partner of the NSA as all allied countries tend to be... but whatever.

That all has nothing to do with Snowden being a criminal in the USA.

Terrorists who murder women and children are hero's in a lot of the world too.

he - if Germany was a willing ally, which is absolutely possible, i also appreciate it coming to the daylight

and for the rest there are laws about political asylum. and i assume a terrorist that murders people will have more problems to get some than Snowden

[AdultKing]

Our largest Telco did a deal with the FBI and NSA where all traffic was to be routed through a US operated facility on US soil and out again for access by US agencies however Telstra were not allowed to know what was to be done with the traffic.

http://rt.com/news/telstra-australia...veillance-004/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

may or may not be - but without the current incidents it would have went widely unnoticed

and i am thankful for that

there's nothing wrong with all of us getting slapped in the face with the revelations, regardless of how much we, or anybody, already knew.

my concern is that the data revealed isn't criminally problematic for any nation. specifically, it seems the only reveal so far that is/was illegal is the eavesdropping on your country. i think i mentioned elsewhere that i hoped germany would legally pursue that with zeal.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The funny thing is that NSA was spying for the US citizens (including Rochard and his family) in a same way as it was spying for citizens of other countries. It's impossible to identify a citizenship of people when you are reading their emails, listening their phone calls, analyzing their internet activity etc

or it's justifiable to 'listen in on everyone' cause everyone talks to people off shore?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there's nothing wrong with all of us getting slapped in the face with the revelations, regardless of how much we, or anybody, already knew.

my concern is that the data revealed isn't criminally problematic for any nation. specifically, it seems the only reveal so far that is/was illegal is the eavesdropping on your country. i think i mentioned elsewhere that i hoped germany would legally pursue that with zeal.

they are too much pussy for that

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

he - if Germany was a willing ally, which is absolutely possible, i also appreciate it coming to the daylight

That's all fine and well. But my point was simply whatever he did that someone might appreciate in Bangledesh, doesn't make it lawful in another country. No matter how anyone looks at it, it is an admitted and established fact that he broke many laws, stole intel and government property and then beat it straight to unfriendly countries to share. He didn't go to Congress. He didn't go to the FBI. He didn't go to a federal judge. He went to an unfriendly communist nation with all his goodies. He hasn't disclosed anything significant that people weren't aware of. All this crap has been going on forever... Carnivore, Eschelon etc etc. All programs where EU countries participated in fully with EU politicians pretending to be outraged they existed and citizens of those EU countries eventually just pointing the finger at the USA rather than at their own governments.

[MaDalton]

i said it before - there are differences between old school spying and what happens now

and that Microsoft admits its cooperation shows that he's right.

until now it was a conspiracy theory, now it's a fact

[dyna mo]

snooping a peek!

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i said it before - there are differences between old school spying and what happens now

and that Microsoft admits its cooperation shows that he's right.

until now it was a conspiracy theory, now it's a fact

Capturing every single email and phone call has always been going on... and going on with the full cooperation of EU nations like you own home country. Microsoft admitting to something insignificant is hardly a game changer in the big picture of spying and your information. I was always under the assumption that the government had back end access to everything. All western nations go after this stuff overtly. All hostile nations go after it covertly. Even the inventor of PGP couldn't hide from all the governments demanding global encryption keys and was continually being threatened by nations and he was eventually charged in the USA with multiple felonies.

My point is simply that its not "The USA". It's every single government on the planet with means. Those with limited means are often working together closely with other governments. We can agree the USA is bad... however, if the issue upsets you, then you also need to be pointing the fingers in the right directions and start by asking "how was my government cooperating fully with the USA and what is my government doing to me that is similar"... Of course, thats uncomfortable and most would much rather point the finger far across the ocean and sleep better and night knowing all bad things are "somewhere else"

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

until now it was a conspiracy theory, now it's a fact

Actually it wasn't just a conspiracy theory since the time when NSA key was found in Windows about 14 years ago

[dyna mo]

How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages
? Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism
? Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch
? Skype worked to enable Prism collection of video calls
? Company says it is legally compelled to comply


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Capturing every single email and phone call has always been going on... and going on with the full cooperation of EU nations like you own home country. Microsoft admitting to something insignificant is hardly a game changer in the big picture of spying and your information. I was always under the assumption that the government had back end access to everything. All western nations go after this stuff overtly. All hostile nations go after it covertly. Even the inventor of PGP couldn't hide from all the governments demanding global encryption keys.

My point is simply that its not "The USA". It's every single government on the planet with means. Those with limited means are often working together closely with other governments. We can agree the USA is bad... however, if the issue upsets you, then you also need to be pointing the fingers in the right directions and start by asking "how was my government cooperating full with the USA and what is my government doing to me that is similar"... Of course, thats uncomfortable and most would much rather point the finger far across the ocean and sleep better and night knowing all bad things are "somewhere else"

well - we might disagree on the level of access different countries and governments have but i dont think that any of us will convince the other to change his opinion

besides that - he also revealed "Tempora", a project by the british government. so i dont think that everyone blames just the US - it might just appear to you this way.

but when you look at what happened to Bradley Manning, i can surely understand Snowden that he took off. To countries that won't send him back right away.

i still like the dude

[dyna mo]

dangit, do i have to launch my *the comparison to manning is inacurate* app again!


hahahaha,lol.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

[qwe]

why not go to a country that you want and only then expose documents... why expose before and go through all this hassle ?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

according to snowden's latest leak, microsoft willingly sat down with nsa and worked out go-arounds of their security protocols before they were even in place.

while they say that turned out to impact <.02% of outlook users, i'm still scratchiing my head over the willingness to *work together* on this sort of project. but it makes me think that prolly all nations and their native private companies are working together like this. usa, france, germany, all of our countries have embraced this snooping mentality.

yay tech! it will be the bane of our existence.

I really don't see why it's so hard for you to comprehend that the govt has lied.

Bush admin straight up lied in order to invade Iraq. What makes you think they wouldn't also lie and mislead companies like Microsoft, Google and all the others. .

Really they started a war based on lies and thousands have died because of it. Why wouldn't they also lie about their spy program?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

I really don't see why it's so hard for you to comprehend that the govt has lied.

Bush admin straight up lied in order to invade Iraq. What makes you think they wouldn't also lie and mislead companies like Microsoft, Google and all the others. .

Really they started a war based on lies and thousands have died because of it. Why wouldn't they also lie about their spy program?

i really don't see how you can read that into my post. in fact, you miss the point entirely to come up with this.

the story is about how microsoft is in bed with the nsa by design and intentionally, not how they are being duped by them.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Actually it wasn't just a conspiracy theory since the time when NSA key was found in Windows about 14 years ago

thanks for this

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i really don't see how you can read that into my post. in fact, you miss the point entirely to come up with this.

the story is about how microsoft is in bed with the nsa by design and intentionally, not how they are being duped by them.

All of your posts are the same.