WebCam PPS worh only if $200+?

[adultmobile]

Dear trolls,

I know the question looks not so relevant in the day Facebook goes ipo in Nasdaq.
So we have cam sites and we don't want to give revshare.
Options left are pay per lead (per free email), and pay per signup. Right?

So I ask, is webcam pps worth to affiliates only if $200+ each, as pussycash (imlive) does often in promotions? Consider the site have minimum buy = $3, so if a guy buy $3 we should give $200, this it looks not sustainable. So the question is, what's a pps for min $3 cam buy (site tubecamgirl.com , tips based like mfc) that looks worth to affiliates?

For pay per lead, not so popular for cams where revshare is king, we got a program who made happy a few affiliates who came from similar ones such as the chaturbate old one ended 10 April. It pays average $1 ppl, is really 50 cent at sign then extra on minutes logged-in, plus a $5 pps for who buys just as sweet. It is cute but we may add a fully PPS option if anyone would care.

[2intense]

i will not promote anything under 75$ pps

[Fonz]

I rather promote something that offers $40 PPS and converts than something that's $200 PPS and doesn't convert at all.

[2intense]

Originally Posted by Fonz

I rather promote something that offers $75 PPS and converts than something that's $200 PPS and doesn't convert at all.

i agree........

[Pink Misfit]

I agree 100% with fonz. I have tried some of the affiliates offering high payout to make a sale here and there. I make a lot more advertising companies that pay $50 or so.

[adultmobile]

The very minimum $75 PPS, but only if it converts enough.
So giving a $100 PPS would let most guys at least try it, then keep or pull links depending on conversion ratio?

I can't know the conversin ratio with your traffic, but as a program we had purchased juicyads, exoclick, ero-ads spots, I can say unless banner it sucks it can be done at least a signup every $100, even with skimmed and popunders sold at $2 per k it is very possible. But most of these guys buy $3 or $10 once then gone forever, so what a program would do in this case? What is seems most commonly done, by reading gfy drama posts, it is you get a letter: "sorry your traffic does not meet the standards as in terms of service so your pps is auto downgraded to $50". But this is lame and causes bad PR, so what would you expect in terms from a program if you are paid "too much" for your traffic performance? For example promise $50 to everyone and raise to $100 later only to who pass beauty contest?

[lazycash]

You're asking us a question that you're best suited to answer because you are privy to all of your backend numbers such as average spend amount per buying member. Since your program allows such small buys, I don't think a pps is the way to go because I don't see any payout that would be attractive enough to entice much webmasters to give you a shot.

Why are you so averse to offering revshare, that sounds like the risk free way to go for a smaller program like yours. I personally think you also need to redo your pay per lead program, last I looked at it, you had over complicated it with all of the different tier payouts. Just pick 1 per lead payout for 10 or so geo regions and an offer a more aggressive payout with the idea that all of the non paying regions will offset any short term loss on tier 1 payouts.

[uniquemkt]

I think a lot of webmasters won't take you too seriously if you're not offering a lifetime revshare option. There are a lot of programs out there that you need to compete with for affiliate love.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by uniquemkt

I think a lot of webmasters won't take you too seriously if you're not offering a lifetime revshare option. There are a lot of programs out there that you need to compete with for affiliate love.

We pay the models 50% or more, and can't lower it or we lose models plus some members who chat girls where they gest most, like mfc says for marketing. So the revshare left for affiliates would be too smaller than who pay models 30%-35% only, such as streamate or streamray or livejasmin. Want 15% revshare?

See the topic: no compete with revshare offers at all, but only with PPS, and pay per lead or a mix of the two. Note 95% of our customers and traffic does not come from affiliates, as since a few years we buy traffic and spots from brokers and directly (member areas, free sites, tubes). The big sites only sell fixed fee spots really, they do not want to be affiliates even rev share, so I guess other cam sites must buy this way too, not just rely on affiliates.
Simply we want to increase the traffic from affiliates with a PPS offer, added to the pay per lead (is more a cpa given the pay per minute levels), but this is without hurry and only if that's worth to both us and the affiliates.
So I ask here, this way is better than do an offer then post here and people saying it sucks - I ask it before and if to suck, I not even do it in first place.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

We pay the models 50% or more, and can't lower it or we lose models plus some members who chat girls where they gest most, like mfc says for marketing. So the revshare left for affiliates would be too smaller than who pay models 30%-35% only, such as streamate or streamray or livejasmin. Want 15% revshare?

See the topic: no compete with revshare offers at all, but only with PPS, and pay per lead or a mix of the two. Note 95% of our customers and traffic does not come from affiliates, as since a few years we buy traffic and spots from brokers and directly (member areas, free sites, tubes). The big sites only sell fixed fee spots really, they do not want to be affiliates even rev share, so I guess other cam sites must buy this way too, not just rely on affiliates.
Simply we want to increase the traffic from affiliates with a PPS offer, added to the pay per lead (is more a cpa given the pay per minute levels), but this is without hurry and only if that's worth to both us and the affiliates.
So I ask here, this way is better than do an offer then post here and people saying it sucks - I ask it before and if to suck, I not even do it in first place.

The affiliate payout has to come from somewhere, whether its revshare or pps, so if there isn't that much leftover to offer the affiliate an attractive revshare, then how can you entertain the idea of offering even a decent amount for pps?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by lazycash

The affiliate payout has to come from somewhere, whether its revshare or pps, so if there isn't that much leftover to offer the affiliate an attractive revshare, then how can you entertain the idea of offering even a decent amount for pps?

We got guys spending $1000+ a month each and we not pay revshare of that, so these pay back all. There is a math about this, for example we buy a $5000/month spot we know it generate X guys who spend $50, X guys who spend $500 and maybe 1 guy who spend $10,000 lifetime so it is profit (after a year), but you see this math only in large stats across many months or even years. This is why too small cam sites collapse easier, the cam math work on critical mass and exponentials, not as a plain scale as could be a photos site.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by 2intense

i will not promote anything under 75$ pps

hey u r green, congrats!!

[AllAboutCams]

tip : only use revshare

[adultmobile]

Ok so what about program starts as $80 PPS, with option if we like someone's traffic we raise that as bonus, but at our discretion.
And, if $80 after some test time it appears not sustainable as base offer, we keep existing accounts at $80 but new ones will be lower, so lucky who signed-up before?

[2intense]

Originally Posted by nikki99

hey u r green, congrats!!

ha ha

thx nikki

[uniquemkt]

Look at the sigs on this forum.. Other sites are giving 35% lifetime revshare all day long. Some of us are good at math and understand statistics. Your per-free program looks pretty nice but wee don't throw our ready to buy traffic at per-free programs.

[1215]

i think you should make your affiliate system more user friendly to the webmasters, as i couldn't just login and grab some promo tools on the fly.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by 1215

i think you should make your affiliate system more user friendly to the webmasters, as i couldn't just login and grab some promo tools on the fly.

We know several webmaster will promote only hosted iframe, xml feeds, API or whitelabel and so on, so I make clear at the moment we have not "tools" like that.
We got just the links that opens home = video chat to random girl (like jasmin pop unders); and banners of all sizes and formats we know of (static JPG + animated GIF in sizes: 100x133, 110x150, 120x240, 120x60, 120x90, 125x125, 140x140, 150x100, 150x150, 150x175, 160x120, 160x600, 175x100, 190x140, 200x100, 240x210, 250x150, 250x200, 250x250, 300x250, 315x300, 338x235, 468x60, 724x90, 728x90). This worked for our own traffic buys of impressions, popunders or text links, where most our traffic comes from.

Recently we opened to affiliates too, with the above tools only we already had for ourselves, and some do ok with that. In a second time we may add fancy API's, xml's and iframe or be in general more like the other programs, if we will see it is worth to become more dependent by affiliates traffic (it also take some extra time to bust all the cheaters who do account themselves, lol).

[1215]

what i'm saying is that i couldn't even locate your banners. i only saw an "email me for banners" message.

you should upload some!

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by 1215

what i'm saying is that i couldn't even locate your banners. i only saw an "email me for banners" message.

you should upload some!

Banners link is there, a 3mb zip, but you're right it is within the text and can be missed easily. I've separated the download link on its own and font bigger, now it can't be missed. Thanks, this is exactly those kind of reports that make GFY useful.

[iSpyCams]

Seems to me if you wanted to do revshare you could pay 50% to your girls and 25-35% to your affiliates, but only after processing fees. That way you get a solid 15-25% margin for your various costs.

Also if you get a solid upsell/cross sell strategy in place you could increase your margin. Maybe not including tips and whatnot in the revshare might work, I know affiliates might not like it but you shoudn't have to make a big deal out of it.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Seems to me if you wanted to do revshare you could pay 50% to your girls and 25-35% to your affiliates, but only after processing fees. That way you get a solid 15-25% margin for your various costs.

Also if you get a solid upsell/cross sell strategy in place you could increase your margin. Maybe not including tips and whatnot in the revshare might work, I know affiliates might not like it but you shoudn't have to make a big deal out of it.

It seems to match if said like this, but fees are bigger than that, and even if doing all perfect some other programs pay 20% less the models so can always give bigger %. So for example if streamate give 30% rev and $40 pps, it make more sense we offer $80 pps than 20% revshare. One may wonder how can a bigger pps can be profitable to us, and answer it is we not give revshare for those members who spend $1000's every month for years, this is quite a big save, may you agree on that, so we can over-pay the most small guys signups, since on balance we under-pay the few big guys signups, it is just a different distribution of the money.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by 2intense

i will not promote anything under 75$ pps

Ok I can do a test offer $80 PPS for who wants to try. Simply create a normal affiliate account, then email to info@tube... you affil username and "I want $80 PPS" and I will change from pay per lead to pps $80. Contact by mail or icq as I don't read gfy every day.

[hony]

I'd always use revshare unless I thought the company was so hopless that it is going to die and so revshare won't be paid out. If I see more than a year life then I'll go revshare.

If there is no option and I have to have PPS then I really don't care about the $ / PPS figure itself because it doesn't tell me how hard the site scrubs. What I care about is uniques / $ -- and *MY* count of uniques, not the sites.

Some sites offer huge PPS but I never get any sales; maybe they scrub too hard, maybe they are oversaturate or whatever; but doesn't really make a difference why if my income is not good.

So don't offer me a huge PPS - offer me a good ratio of easy sale to $ so my income from traffic will be maximized. Oh and don't waste money on "prizes" -- I don't care, just give me my regular fees.

[uniquemkt]

I still have a hard time believing how pervasive skimming is in this industry! One of the things that attracts me to "new" programs is that the affiliate managers probably haven't figured out how skimming works...

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by hony

I'd always use revshare unless I thought the company was so hopless that it is going to die and so revshare won't be paid out. If I see more than a year life then I'll go revshare.

If there is no option and I have to have PPS then I really don't care about the $ / PPS figure itself because it doesn't tell me how hard the site scrubs. What I care about is uniques / $ -- and *MY* count of uniques, not the sites.

Some sites offer huge PPS but I never get any sales; maybe they scrub too hard, maybe they are oversaturate or whatever; but doesn't really make a difference why if my income is not good.

So don't offer me a huge PPS - offer me a good ratio of easy sale to $ so my income from traffic will be maximized. Oh and don't waste money on "prizes" -- I don't care, just give me my regular fees.

The adult-webcam-faq webmaster? I used your forum at times
About the ratio of sales for your traffic, how we can know how you convert, unless you try yourself to send traffic for a few days?
We know the ratio for our own campaigns and for few affiliates we got, but each is so different like from 1:50 to 1:50,000, this is why we're doing tests with more webmasters to tune the pay system.
So anyone who wants, can try the program, to get an opinion based on real stats, and even publish here the results if wish, including conspiracy theories we shave or skim but at least from a test.

PS: a cool feature in GFY it would be to make a forum where only people who registered an account before of 2006 or 2007 it can post, I see the most trolls have 2011 accounts

[adultmobile]

Ok now the $80 PPS it is added as an option at create new campaign link button, can choice default pay per free or the new $80 PPS program, all automated now.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by uniquemkt

I still have a hard time believing how pervasive skimming is in this industry! One of the things that attracts me to "new" programs is that the affiliate managers probably haven't figured out how skimming works...

lol I do much the same except I like to read forum posts from the owners and the managers. Ideally I look for people who honestly just might eat a bullet before they would steal a dime from me. With dating and cams though sometimes it feels like a challenge to find one who wouldn't throw their own mother off a cliff for ten cents.

Pro tip: The Blackhats tend to know who has been naughty and who has been nice.

If you are starting a program and you want to get ahead with affiliates simply be honest and fair. You'll come out far ahead of the dishonest ones in the stats and earnings as long as you have some clue about what you are otherwise doing. Stay honest and you'll always have a business. Get greedy like so many others have and expect your affiliates to abandon you and shun your next program. While it's true many affiliates are morons, the suckers are starting to disappear.

I'm taking down a lot of cam and dating promos today and replacing them with PPC ads from others in fact. It's not worth it to send to them when they are converting 1:2,000 to 1:20,000. Especially not when I know that traffic really does better than I am getting credit for. And it's doubtful they are going to start converting better in the future so I might as well nip it in the bud now.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Quote:
Originally Posted by uniquemkt
I still have a hard time believing how pervasive skimming is in this industry! One of the things that attracts me to "new" programs is that the affiliate managers probably haven't figured out how skimming works...

lol I do much the same except I like to read forum posts from the owners and the managers. Ideally I look for people who honestly just might eat a bullet before they would steal a dime from me. With dating and cams though sometimes it feels like a challenge to find one who wouldn't throw their own mother off a cliff for ten cents.

Good luck with people who shave, but why to talk about shave in my thread?
People who shave, will base their biz on ripping off affiliates: main profit from shaving, not from the product, so they will launch with best payouts and raise offer to stay on top so to join more affiliates as possible every next month, then use shaving tools implemented in the software in clever way.
Now use logics, our cam sites run from years from traffic we buy traffic from brokers, we are not so new and not so small, does it make sense now we open to affiliates with the idea of shave and not even make a revshare offer everyone would be tempted to try?
Also talking in private with traffic brokers and even program owners do you know they advice it is not worth to manage many small affiliates as it include cheaters (we got many doing signups themselves already), or doing forum dramas for $20 issue they not even asked the program about? This also explain why we had invite only period of years.

Said so, when we implemented the affiliate system, some developers (who work in adult) asked us "what shave parameters do you want", at first I not even understood what it meant (as it was not a question do you want shaving or no - it was WHAT SHAVING PARAMETERS like it was some mandatory standard in programs), and when we replied "no shave needed", they was quite surprised.
I still think not everyone shave as you said but I have no idea, and for sure who shave will say they do not shave, so consider me a liar too. But use logics and please don't talk of shave in my thread

[livegirlsonbed]

I promoted cams only on revshare starting with 2005. I think revshare is better for the affiliates what want to make a living promoting adult cams. 20-25% revshare for life is enough to make a lot of money over time. A good cam member spend more than 1000$/ year on sites with over 100 online models. So what's the deal with PPS, just fast money? IF you this week are #1 in google and next week you are nowhere, from where you have sales?

[askjoe]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

So giving a $100 PPS would let most guys at least try it, then keep or pull links depending on conversion ratio?

they know a webmaster will reactivate some old members and push to spend money.
those reactivated members are not part of any pps deal.depending on the size of site, they could even share 250$ for a firstsale.it´s all part of the calculation.

some partners often set and forget links...