Fact: Paysite sales are dead

[MrDeiz]

No matter what you're doing they will be declining
Money are everywhere but not in paysites (straight, mainstream, gay, fetish, bdsm, toons)
Customers' behavior patterns have changed to no return point. The content is overproduced and it's well-delivered thru well established free-net networks
We are keeping our sales steady and a little bit growing by enormous creativity and hardcore approach
Many webmasters have left this business, much more to come. There's no place for one-man company in this biz any longer.
There're still newcommers (idiots) investing in aff programs and bs services, most of which will never meet ROI

The industry needs new business model to prelace paysites and PayPal on board (while CCBill crashes and burns) as well as lesser suckers in here
I've donated StopFileLockers campaign, have you?

Have a good day everyone

[lucas131]

so how are you making money? and i think it is called summer slowdown, isnt it last few months?

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by lucas131

so how are you making money? and i think it is called summer slowdown, isnt it last few months?

i'm actually growing over the summer, but not because of regular paysite sales
just finished report for July (delayed because of vacations) and analyzed some things

[babymaker]

It's easy to fix, just replace with a porn NETFLIX and a porn ITUNES and it's done.

DUH!

IDIOTS!

Really.

[Mefo]

You have your facts wrong, it should be: Paysites are no longer selling for MrDeiz.

If it's not selling for you doesn't mean it's not selling for others....

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Mefo

You have your facts wrong, it should be: Paysites are no longer selling for MrDeiz.

If it's not selling for you doesn't mean it's not selling for others....

stats please

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

i'm actually growing over the summer, but not because of regular paysite sales
just finished report for July (delayed because of vacations) and analyzed some things

if you are up, then there is no problem, right? and if you have to work more for the same revenue, that might be a sign of summer slowdown, right? have luck with your business everyone!

[Markul]

How is that a fact? Our sales are rising.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by lucas131

if you are up, then there is no problem, right? and if you have to work more for the same revenue, that might be a sign of summer slowdown, right? have luck with your business everyone!

people aren't buying porn in winter, autumn, spring and summer. you might call it a slowdown for every season.
i guess only 1% and lesser of those who watches porn actually gets it via paysites
sure you still can sell it to 1% of porn watchers, but it isn't serious

i've tested various sources and various amounts of traffic. if you want to make money in porn - don't sell paysites in a regular way (preview -> premium access). huge porn sites are generating traffic, but not selling porn

Originally Posted by Markul

How is that a fact? Our sales are rising.

stats please

[MrDeiz]

you can't catch a fish with a fish-rod in ocean if you are surrounded with illegal nets, and once fish doesn't like your bait. just that

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

people aren't buying porn in winter, autumn, spring and summer. you might call it a slowdown for every season.
i guess only 1% and lesser of those who watches porn actually gets it via paysites
sure you still can sell it to 1% of porn watchers, but it isn't serious

i've tested various sources and various amounts of traffic. if you want to make money in porn - don't sell paysites in a regular way (preview -> premium access).



stats please

there is differency, if there is 35degrees outside, nobody sits in room wanking, everyone is on vacation! if there are blizzards outside, people spending more time at computer, and if you know how and what to sell, some of them will still and always buy

[Phoenix]

sales seem steady.
douchebagery is on the rise though

[Markul]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

stats please

Really? Man. Only in this industry will people demand seeing your numbers when you tell them your business is doing fine and your product is selling.

[babymaker]

Jesus Christ!

http://pornflix.com/

U serious, and people wonder why this industry is gone and a fucking joke!

[ctggls]

signupdamnit should post any second now to confirm what Mr Deiz is saying... :D

[SomeCreep]

tube sites

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mefo

You have your facts wrong, it should be: Paysites are no longer selling for MrDeiz.

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

There's no place for one-man company in this biz any longer.

ORLY? Tell me moar

[ctggls]

Originally Posted by Lichen

ORLY? Tell me moar

Quite impressive! Congrats

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Lichen

ORLY? Tell me moar

Hopefully things will start going back up for you in September.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Lichen

ORLY? Tell me moar

you think $40k/m is cool for affiliate program? while you have to pay affiliates, billing, content and hosting costs...
but you are doing better than average aff program, so congrats on that. curious what's the program and paysite

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

you think $40k/m is cool for affiliate program? while you have to pay affiliates, billing, content and hosting costs...
but you are doing better than average aff program, so congrats on that. curious what's the program and paysite

I don't have to pay anyone. I run it all by myself with my own generated traffic.

If you have some brains, there is a lot of money to be made on the internets.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Lichen

I don't have to pay anyone. I run it all by myself.

then it's cool

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Lichen

ORLY? Tell me moar

Impressive, but I assume thats a paysite, and probably you have affiliates and tons of other costs. So maybe none profit. Worse, look at your new joins this year, every month is steadily worse by July you are down by over half from January, once your rebills crap out you're fucked!

Don't see a problem with the biz??

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Impressive, but I assume thats a paysite, and probably you have affiliates and tons of other costs. So maybe none profit.

Yes it's a paysite and there are no costs apart from 8% processing fee and $500/m in hosting. Traffic is my own and the content is cheap and non exclusive. So yeah, i'd say there is some profit

Money is everywhere, free for the picking. You just gotta think outside the box

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Lichen

Yes it's a paysite and there are no costs apart from 8% processing fee and $500/m in hosting. Traffic is my own and the content is cheap and non exclusive. So yeah, i'd say there is some profit

Money is everywhere, free for the picking. You just gotta think outside the box

Nice work! But still, what about the future, the stats show a serious incoming joins problem, as everyone else is having. What are your plans to change that?? curious?

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Nice work! But still, what about the future, the stats show a serious incoming joins problem, as everyone else is having. What are your plans to change that?? curious?

There's no problem, i've just been a lazy fuck lately. I'm making enough money to live comfortably so i slack a lot. If i spent more time working, sales would pick up.

[DVTimes]

great stuff..........

[Penny24Seven]

he is right, content is so cheap you can have five sites up and running with semi exclusive content like www.penelopesky.com
have someone make sites @ 200 each,
profit

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mefo

You have your facts wrong, it should be: Paysites are no longer selling for MrDeiz.

If it's not selling for you doesn't mean it's not selling for others....

[ilnjscb]

Deiz is statistically correct and responders are anecdotally correct

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by ctggls

signupdamnit should post any second now to confirm what Mr Deiz is saying... :D

There is no need for me to confirm what is obvious to most of the world, including our potential customers. MrDeiz is a referrer for many affiliates to paysites so I would think he is aware of what is really going on from the affiliate side of things. He also used to keep a list of programs going out of business and changing things at http://www.signbucks.com/news/programs-changes until recently.

I always have to add this because every time I post someone takes what I say out of context and goes nuts but I'm not saying there is no money in porn and I'm not saying there is no money in paysites. Only that both are decline. Paysites/pre-recorded porn are declining more so than adult (includes webcams) overall and are the primary reason for the decline in adult.

If you think what I said above is bullshit, I am some broke loser, or whatever else then you may want to read this XBIZ article http://www.xbiz.com/news/151751 which says almost the same exact thing.

Current gross revenues by some estimates have decreased by more than 50% from what was widely recognized as a peak period for adult entertainment in 2005. The video production sector, or DVD sales and rentals, in particular has endured the steepest decline since that time due in large part to the proliferation of free porn online and piracy. Still, many established companies have persevered and remain viable as a result of their embrace of various forms of digital content delivery as well as strategic expansion into areas such as the robust live webcam and online dating markets.

While dozens of traditional porn titles continue to be produced on a weekly basis, sales expectations for even the most elaborate, high-end DVD releases have been curtailed as gross revenues have dropped. And the forecast is less than sunny. By all indications, pre-recorded porn content will only become harder to sell in the short-term. Profits from interactive entertainment appear on track to offset that deficit to some degree, but not nearly enough to prevent the industry from bottoming out.

They had a poll among 300 XBIZ members who were asked how big the porn industry is today (2012).

Over $10 billion - 29%
Over $5 billion - 36%
Over $1 billion - 21%
Under $1 billion - 14%

Around 1998 for comparison it was estimated that porn was a $13 or $14 billion industry.

Hate me if you want. <shrug>

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Lichen

Yes it's a paysite and there are no costs apart from 8% processing fee and $500/m in hosting. Traffic is my own and the content is cheap and non exclusive. So yeah, i'd say there is some profit

Money is everywhere, free for the picking. You just gotta think outside the box

count in NATS license as well

rebills save you, you're low in terms of new sales

but again, that a great achievement, which isn't common for the industry (i know many programs and generating 1,000+ joins on a monthly basis as affiliate)

[mineistaken]

Funny at how some people disagree saying "its better" or "its steady".
No its not better, its worse. You overcome the decline by doing something better/smarter/harder, thats it.
Meaning that if you did exactly the same amount of work last year you would have earned more than this year. If you did the same amount 2011 you would have earned more than before. And so on. Thats what it means. Fact.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Mefo

You have your facts wrong, it should be: Paysites are no longer selling for MrDeiz.

If it's not selling for you doesn't mean it's not selling for others....

Post proof bro!!!

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

count in NATS license as well

I've bought full license couple years ago, don't have to pay monthly anymore

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

i know many programs and generating 1,000+ joins on a monthly basis as affiliate

Now you are contradicting your first post.

[OldJeff]

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[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Lichen

Now you are contradicting your first post.

in what part?

you can find some of my stats at signbucks if you look for it

[Lichen]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

in what part?

First you say that pretty much all affiliates have left. Then you say that there are many programs with affiliates generating 1000 of sales.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Lichen

First you say that pretty much all affiliates have left. Then you say that there are many programs with affiliates generating 1000 of sales.

LOL you have got it wrong
i say i know many programs big and small
i also say that i'm generating 1000 joins as affiliate

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

LOL you have got it wrong
i say i know many programs big and small
i also say that i'm generating 1000 joins as affiliate

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

stats please

stats please

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

stats please

you'll find them in 2 min at signbucks

it's signbucks' forum and i can't post link here

[ctggls]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

There is no need for me to confirm what is obvious to most of the world, including our potential customers. MrDeiz is a referrer for many affiliates to paysites so I would think he is aware of what is really going on from the affiliate side of things. He also used to keep a list of programs going out of business and changing things at http://www.signbucks.com/news/programs-changes until recently.

I always have to add this because every time I post someone takes what I say out of context and goes nuts but I'm not saying there is no money in porn and I'm not saying there is no money in paysites. Only that both are decline. Paysites/pre-recorded porn are declining more so than adult (includes webcams) overall and are the primary reason for the decline in adult.

If you think what I said above is bullshit, I am some broke loser, or whatever else then you may want to read this XBIZ article http://www.xbiz.com/news/151751 which says almost the same exact thing.



They had a poll among 300 XBIZ members who were asked how big the porn industry is today (2012).

Over $10 billion - 29%
Over $5 billion - 36%
Over $1 billion - 21%
Under $1 billion - 14%

Around 1998 for comparison it was estimated that porn was a $13 or $14 billion industry.

Hate me if you want. <shrug>

Hey man it was a just a joke, but I still don't agree with you on the subject, regarding how big it is and so on.
Instead I see a lot of small time webmasters fucking it up every single moment and not taking things seriously enough. It's hard to make money in every industry if you just make a blog, work one hour per day , drink beer in the rest of the time and expecting to make it big time....

[bluebook18]

summer slowdown

[lucas131]

http://www.google.com/search?q="summer+slowdown"

[TheSquealer]

Fact: This business is full of morons.

[bluebook18]

Originally Posted by lucas131

http://www.google.com/search?q="summer+slowdown"

I did that but that can't change what is really meant to be in fact "G" is my only source of traffic.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/busi...own-6C10205125

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by ctggls

Hey man it was a just a joke, but I still don't agree with you on the subject, regarding how big it is and so on.
Instead I see a lot of small time webmasters fucking it up every single moment and not taking things seriously enough. It's hard to make money in every industry if you just make a blog, work one hour per day , drink beer in the rest of the time and expecting to make it big time....

That's called an anecdote. Moreover it's more an emotional argument than anything. You can't make that sort of statement (and without any proof or specifics) and expect it to answer a question such as "Is there less money in the adult industry today versus 2005?" It just doesn't work like that. It's like spitting on your finger and holding it out to check the temperature versus using a proper thermometer.

It would be nice if we had real solid data but we don't. The XBIZ poll among 311 members is based on anecdotal data largely too. However it's probably a little more credible than a very small group of paysite owners and reps for paysites on gfy talking about how things are better than ever and how only the small lazy people are having problems (or people who haven't adapted, bad content, not high quality enough, or whatever the explanation is today). I do think some paysite owners are still doing fairly well and some affiliates too. But we are talking overall averages here (as well as industry totals) and not just a couple paysites or affiliates.

Congratulations to the people still doing well. Particularly the honest ones. In a way if the industry really did shrink by 50% since 2005 that just makes the accomplishment all that more impressive. I was still doing very well as a paysite affiliate up until October of last year with a Google change. Prior to that the paysite metrics were worse but I was making it up on increased volume.

[Jesse1984]

Odd, our sites continue to grow month after month, and our affiliate sales have increased every month this year except one...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Maybe it's not a "people don't want to pay for porn anymore"-problem. Maybe it's an "increasing amount of people that have less and less to spend every month"-problem.
If you think this crisis will soon be over... think again... it has yet to begin... Things will get very very nasty... What we experienced the last few years is peanuts compared to what is coming.

The Great Default: Why Taxpayers Cannot Grow Their Way Out of the Government's Problem
Gary North - August 17, 2013

In assessing whether or not the United States government will be able to maintain Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid payments to all of the people who have been promised such payments, we must assess the ability of the federal government to collect sufficient revenues to make these payments.A standard suggestion by liberals, who deeply believe in these programs, is to say that what needs to be estimated is the Gross Domestic Product of the entire nation. Then, once this is estimated, it becomes possible to determine whether or not the federal government will be able to make the payments. Here is a recent example.

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There is going to be a Great Default. There is no escape from this. People can prepare for it, or they can ignore it, but statistical games will not enable the United States government to do anything except default.