fucking cams sponosrs - why do i always end up feeling scammed?

[rogueteens]

I've had so many chargebacks on one sponsor this month that my outstanding credit stands at $28.58 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! over 80% chargeback rate on sales

I swear that cams is just one big fucking scam.

[Niktamer]

www.crakrevenue.com

We pay you PPL

[nexcom28]

I agree.

[Ace of Spades]

Originally Posted by Niktamer

www.crakrevenue.com

We pay you PPL

[HomerSimpson]

let me guess the sponsor - VS ?

[nexcom28]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

let me guess the sponsor - VS ?

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by homersimpson

let me guess the sponsor - vs ?

.....

[Fat Panda]

i sometimes feel the same way.

especially when a member goes on a spending binge...charges it all back then buys credits a few weeks later

[DVTimes]

Chaturbate

[LeRoy]

Lots of user fraud out there too.

Webmasters no so much but it's still there

[signupdamnit]

Compared to paysites there is very little competition and they take full advantage of it. With cam sponsors I have to hold my nose a bit or I wouldn't be able to promote anyone due to the stench.

[xNetworx]

Send your traffic to Streamate. They are awesome.

[Forkbeard]

Quite honestly I got screwed a few times by cam sponsors and came to the same conclusion ... back in 2004. Never promoted any since then, never regretted the decision. It's just never been an industry sector that treats affiliates fairly. If exceptions exist, I haven't seen a persuasive demonstration of it.

[bluebook18]

80%? that's fucked up

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

Send your traffic to Streamate. They are awesome.

+1 Don't recall ever seeing a chargeback, quality traffic over quantity

[TumblrPRO]

Im moving my whitelabels out of Video Secrets, I asked a question last week about them and nobody from their sponsor answered... Now this... Definitely a sponsor to stay away from.

I agree that Cams are a unregulated business, but I can't see all cam sponsors scamming badly. There are a few to still keep in mind.

BTW, there are a lot of paysites shaving badly.

[TumblrPRO]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Quite honestly I got screwed a few times by cam sponsors and came to the same conclusion ... back in 2004. Never promoted any since then, never regretted the decision. It's just never been an industry sector that treats affiliates fairly. If exceptions exist, I haven't seen a persuasive demonstration of it.

Hmmm, big question for you...

If you don't promote CAMS and Paysites don't sell or convert at 1:3000...

What are you doing to survive in adult?

Everyone here promote cams because paysites suck so much (everything free). So? What do you do to survive in the adult biz?

[VS_Jeff]

Originally Posted by TumblrPRO

Im moving my whitelabels out of Video Secrets, I asked a question last week about them and nobody from their sponsor answered... Now this... Definitely a sponsor to stay away from.

I agree that Cams are a unregulated business, but I can't see all cam sponsors scamming badly. There are a few to still keep in mind.

BTW, there are a lot of paysites shaving badly.

We try to respond to every inquiry. In case we missed it, please add me on Skype, so that I can help you out! jeff.vsmedia

[adultmobile]

Really you all can not believe an affiliate sent a customer who chargebacked all? Perhaps you guys never ran a cam site yourselves, but chargebacks do happen. Especially who spend bigger, is more likely doing so because he knows this is not his money (carder), or it was his money but he will do "friendly fraud" later, telliing to bank: "it was not me".

Also, use logics: let's say as a cam program I want to shave and scam affiliates. Really I am an evil one. I would not show to affiliates +$1000 sales, then after, subtract a -$500 "chargeback". I would simply shave on the sales, by not adding these $500 in first place, so the affiliate just seen a +$500 with no any chargebacks. And he would not write posts in GFY.

A last word about affiliates who complain there are too few cam sites so they can do all they want: this is the same the models say, that there's few cam sites so they pay low and shave etc. etc.; but then, when a new cam site is launched... each one would increase competition and make better conditions for affiliates and models... the affiliates and cam girls do not join it; but instead wait 6-12 months to see if it collapses or not - they wait the site to become bigger, before to consider it. And cam sites obviously collapses, as no any support from models and affiliates

So, affiliates and models who just join and support the same 5 old cam sites, should really not say any word about how is bad there are so few cam sites who "abuse" them from oligopoly - since it is affiliates and cam girls who created and keep up such monopoly/oligopoly. The same goes for lots of other sites/products, where everyone complaints on the top 5 providers, still they all just buy from there, and ignore new ones.

[TheSquealer]

Basically - low rent gfy assholes get excited when a models boyfriend that they referred and starts charging 50.00 a day with a lot of stolen cards so she gets the commissions, thinking they are now players ... And when it gets charged back, it can only be because a cam site stole from you.

I am only in the business because its rife with fucking idiots who openly brag that they can't make any money. Thank you all for being yourselves - you make my job much easier.

[2intense]

you are not promoting the right cam sponsor

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Really you all can not believe an affiliate sent a customer who chargebacked all? Perhaps you guys never ran a cam site yourselves, but chargebacks do happen. Especially who spend bigger, is more likely doing so because he knows this is not his money (carder), or it was his money but he will do "friendly fraud" later, telliing to bank: "it was not me".

Also, use logics: let's say as a cam program I want to shave and scam affiliates. Really I am an evil one. I would not show to affiliates +$1000 sales, then after, subtract a -$500 "chargeback". I would simply shave on the sales, by not adding these $500 in first place, so the affiliate just seen a +$500 with no any chargebacks. And he would not write posts in GFY.

A last word about affiliates who complain there are too few cam sites so they can do all they want: this is the same the models say, that there's few cam sites so they pay low and shave etc. etc.; but then, when a new cam site is launched... each one would increase competition and make better conditions for affiliates and models... the affiliates and cam girls do not join it; but instead wait 6-12 months to see if it collapses or not - they wait the site to become bigger, before to consider it. And cam sites obviously collapses, as no any support from models and affiliates

So, affiliates and models who just join and support the same 5 old cam sites, should really not say any word about how is bad there are so few cam sites who "abuse" them from oligopoly - since it is affiliates and cam girls who created and keep up such monopoly/oligopoly. The same goes for lots of other sites/products, where everyone complaints on the top 5 providers, still they all just buy from there, and ignore new ones.

Wordup. Let me add that our fraud department does a wonderful job at spotting fraud and believe me, it is sometimes the affiliates, it is often the customers who are the scammers. You all know the deal; hubby is up late, decides to buy a few tokens and becomes enamored with a certain model, faps himself silly, then feels guilty that the credit card has been charged all this money and his wife is going to be pissed. He ends up calling the CC company and says the charges were unauthorized or something similar.
C'mon guys! It's the same old story!

I recently told one of my bigger affiliates (who is probably reading this) to pause because his account was flagged for fraud (25 chargebacks). He did, without argument. Meanwhile, I go to the fraud girls and have them investigate. They informed me that all 25 of those chargebacks was due to ONE user and advised me to unpause the affiliate. This has happened several times, due to the customer's abuse of chargebacks.
Not all cams sponsors are evil. As mentioned above, it is a helluva job, running a cam site.


Some of you cats are off the hook. Goddamn.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by TumblrPRO

Hmmm, big question for you...

If you don't promote CAMS and Paysites don't sell or convert at 1:3000...

What are you doing to survive in adult?

Everyone here promote cams because paysites suck so much (everything free). So? What do you do to survive in the adult biz?

I still have paysites to promote that do better than that ratio on my traffic. One by one they fall or fail, but I still have a few.

I am surviving on a mix of paysites, toys, products, and brokered ads. Doing well? Not really -- certainly not as well as 2005-2006. But surviving. Paying my bills and not having to take a square job. Working, lounging in my swimming pool, spanking my girlfriend when she needs it, drinking gin and juice. It ain't ballin' but it don't suck.

[Andreweb]

I never had problems with Chaturbate, no chargebacks, no refunds !

[CamsTraffic]

Originally Posted by 2intense

you are not promoting the right cam sponsor

Yes, you are not sending the traffic to the right sponsor.

[seeandsee]

Check cams in my sig!

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Really you all can not believe an affiliate sent a customer who chargebacked all? Perhaps you guys never ran a cam site yourselves, but chargebacks do happen. Especially who spend bigger, is more likely doing so because he knows this is not his money (carder), or it was his money but he will do "friendly fraud" later, telliing to bank: "it was not me".

Also, use logics: let's say as a cam program I want to shave and scam affiliates. Really I am an evil one. I would not show to affiliates +$1000 sales, then after, subtract a -$500 "chargeback". I would simply shave on the sales, by not adding these $500 in first place, so the affiliate just seen a +$500 with no any chargebacks. And he would not write posts in GFY.

Touche on the chargebacks happening. But as for the program wanting to shave fake chargebacks and refunds are an easy way to do it after the webmaster has already seen the signups. It's the only thing left to do without causing alarm bells to go off. It's very easy for a program to instruct their reps to go do some fake chargebacks across some affiliate accounts in order to improve immediate cash flow. I'm not saying it's happening here but it's very easy for them to do and there is little oversight. This type of shaving doesn't preclude the possibility of the type of shaving you describe occurring. There could easily be BOTH where the fake refunds are simply a last minute way to raise cash flow and stop payments from being due.

A last word about affiliates who complain there are too few cam sites so they can do all they want: this is the same the models say, that there's few cam sites so they pay low and shave etc. etc.; but then, when a new cam site is launched... each one would increase competition and make better conditions for affiliates and models... the affiliates and cam girls do not join it; but instead wait 6-12 months to see if it collapses or not - they wait the site to become bigger, before to consider it. And cam sites obviously collapses, as no any support from models and affiliates

So, affiliates and models who just join and support the same 5 old cam sites, should really not say any word about how is bad there are so few cam sites who "abuse" them from oligopoly - since it is affiliates and cam girls who created and keep up such monopoly/oligopoly. The same goes for lots of other sites/products, where everyone complaints on the top 5 providers, still they all just buy from there, and ignore new ones.

The door is open for a small cam site to be affiliate and model friendly and to then take market share from the big guys. But for some reason often the smaller players like to be the exact opposite of affiliate friendly and instead they act more anti-affiliate than anything. Even in public on the boards where they tend to blame affiliates for almost everything possible. Don't ask me why. I don't quite understand it either.

[TheSquealer]

I have a great deal of respect for signupdamnit and those like him.

It takes a great deal of strength and courage to wake up every single day, knowing he'll fail, yet still get out of bed in the morning... and he faces that fact.... as painful as it must be. It does takes a huge amount of effort to try to not only figure out who to blame for his failing but then to diligently draft post after post explaining how any and all of his failures can only be the fault of others. Usually, they are stealing from him. Meanwhile, he likely has no care, a day job and his parents are surely tired of him living at home and probably breathing down his neck day in and day out and he has to deal with that shit as well.

This business is exactly like everything else in life. You get out of it, what you put into it. Until you learn to blame yourself, accept personal responsibility you will fail time and time again (as many here experience). This is because you can't change all the things and people you blame for your failures. You can however change yourself. So many of you fucking idiots wake up in the morning not only expecting to fail, but already blaming someone else.... and then often act baffled at your lack of success. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Imagine a coach that constantly told you that you couldn't win. Imagine a military commander that kept telling you it was hopeless. Imagine a CEO telling the crew they would probably fail. Imagine Martin Luther King telling people "eh... you know, you'll probably fail and its not your fault". So many on this forum wake up every single day and then dedicate every minute of the day to exactly this to yourselves and then seem genuinely confused as to what you can't make anything work.

It's a pretty obvious and simple fact that cam sites have unique fraud issues to face that are unique to cam sites. Users make multiple charges per day and have 6 months usually to charge it all back. It's a great place to use stolen cards. It's a great place for some Romanian dickhead to use stolen cards to buy privates for his girlfriend so she makes 100.00 a day in commissions. As Tofu explained, its very common for users to become obsessed with a girl, run up 1000s in transactions and then ultimately have remorse, get caught by the spouse, fall on hard times or whatever and charge all the money back. There are plenty of people here that could offer great advice and help... but no one can help anyone that is determined to fail and that believes they will fail.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The door is open for a small cam site to be affiliate and model friendly and to then take market share from the big guys. But for some reason often the smaller players like to be the exact opposite of affiliate friendly and instead they act more anti-affiliate than anything.

Let me make you (and others who think small/new cam sites are more evil than old/big ones) a more direct question: how many new/small cam sites have you sent traffic to, recently? I mean register as affiliate and promote it for real, rather than read comments about it in forums, written by other people who also have not promoted it, but just guessed without any test.

[Fat Panda]

solution to all this:

start ONE video secrets white label with a good .com domain name

having a 1000 wl's is stupid

start 999 other sites promoting your ONE wl, spread across the world on ips from china to iceland to guam

thank me in a few years

[nikki99]

if u work with AWE yes

[Roald]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

let me guess the sponsor - VS ?

We catch the biggest whales with VS, never had an issue and yes we do get CBs/refunds too. Shit happens. I remember a $2400 refund few years ago with them, yes painfull but the whales that go through without an issue by far outnumbers them.

End of the day, they are one of the best in cams

[Fat Panda]

Originally Posted by Roald

We catch the biggest whales with VS, never had an issue and yes we do get CBs/refunds too. Shit happens. I remember a $2400 refund few years ago with them, yes painfull but the whales that go through without an issue by far outnumbers them.

End of the day, they are one of the best in cams

ive had the same experience roald. vs is the best cam program ive found.

their ability to reengage past members who stopped spending and get them to spend again is incredible!

[TumblrPRO]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Let me make you (and others who think small/new cam sites are more evil than old/big ones) a more direct question: how many new/small cam sites have you sent traffic to, recently? I mean register as affiliate and promote it for real, rather than read comments about it in forums, written by other people who also have not promoted it, but just guessed without any test.

You are not smart at all, dude.

I will give you two reasons why and actually this is free advice for you.

1) You look desperate in every post you make. You look very desperate, almost asking webmasters to join your program and promote you. But for some reason, people don't join. If you are that smart like you think you are, why don't ask yourself: why people dont join my program?

2) You have no name. Nobody knows your name or where you operate from. When I checked your contact it was some "Anna" from Holland. But you told me you are not a girl, so... Any sponsor (big or small) in this forum has a name. We know at least the name of the affiliate manager, the owner and where they operate from. If you want to jump to the next level, just come out of the closet, this is free advice. Or is there a reason to keep hiding?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by TumblrPRO

You are not smart at all, dude.

I see you registered this month, so you may take too much seriously the posts here. This is the "Go Fuck Yourself" board: as the name implies, it is not meant as a way to receive compliments or show any smartness. Mine posts may be a little longer than the average ones, so you may have noticed them, but I not meant cause any psychological harm to you or anyone else.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Let me make you (and others who think small/new cam sites are more evil than old/big ones) a more direct question: how many new/small cam sites have you sent traffic to, recently? I mean register as affiliate and promote it for real, rather than read comments about it in forums, written by other people who also have not promoted it, but just guessed without any test.

I didn't say that I necessarily thought smaller cam sites were worse than larger ones. Only that I won't take a chance on them if I see them as anti-affiliate. A big part of how I decide who to work with is reading posts from their owners and reps. I've long noticed certain correlations and it's part of the process I choose to use to decide who to promote.

I promoted one smaller cam sponsor once briefly before getting bad vibes about it and seeing some questionable things and I signed up to your program once but never received an approval. I let it go there.

With all the dissatisfaction like I said I think the door is potentially open for up and comers.

[jimmycastor]

chargeback/refunds were high in august on paysites too , had about 5% refunds/chargebacks this month , never had that before

[nexcom28]

The simple answer is PPS

[Jel]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I have a great deal of respect for signupdamnit and those like him.

It takes a great deal of strength and courage to wake up every single day, knowing he'll fail, yet still get out of bed in the morning... and he faces that fact.... as painful as it must be. It does takes a huge amount of effort to try to not only figure out who to blame for his failing but then to diligently draft post after post explaining how any and all of his failures can only be the fault of others. Usually, they are stealing from him. Meanwhile, he likely has no care, a day job and his parents are surely tired of him living at home and probably breathing down his neck day in and day out and he has to deal with that shit as well.

This business is exactly like everything else in life. You get out of it, what you put into it. Until you learn to blame yourself, accept personal responsibility you will fail time and time again (as many here experience). This is because you can't change all the things and people you blame for your failures. You can however change yourself. So many of you fucking idiots wake up in the morning not only expecting to fail, but already blaming someone else.... and then often act baffled at your lack of success. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Imagine a coach that constantly told you that you couldn't win. Imagine a military commander that kept telling you it was hopeless. Imagine a CEO telling the crew they would probably fail. Imagine Martin Luther King telling people "eh... you know, you'll probably fail and its not your fault". So many on this forum wake up every single day and then dedicate every minute of the day to exactly this to yourselves and then seem genuinely confused as to what you can't make anything work.

It's a pretty obvious and simple fact that cam sites have unique fraud issues to face that are unique to cam sites. Users make multiple charges per day and have 6 months usually to charge it all back. It's a great place to use stolen cards. It's a great place for some Romanian dickhead to use stolen cards to buy privates for his girlfriend so she makes 100.00 a day in commissions. As Tofu explained, its very common for users to become obsessed with a girl, run up 1000s in transactions and then ultimately have remorse, get caught by the spouse, fall on hard times or whatever and charge all the money back. There are plenty of people here that could offer great advice and help... but no one can help anyone that is determined to fail and that believes they will fail.

I like a lot of your posts, and dislike just as many (ok not as many, but some ), but this and the one within the last few days or so from you that was very similar are two of the best posts I've read from anyone anywhere this year

[signupdamnit]

Hard to understand though why a guy would post a rant about someone who had him on ignore for three weeks and whom he knows nothing about. But then again when half your posts involve hate I guess you have your answer.

[Jel]

I think it's more a rant against a mindset than a particular person

It's such an old cliche, but 'you can do anything if you put your mind to it' really is true, and works in whatever direction you choose to take. 95% of the planet are stuck in this 'realistic' train of thought, which is why anyone on something like 100k is bam right there in the top 5% earners or thereabouts.

I wouldn't post here just how bad my income has been for the last 12 - 18 months, but am I fuck accepting that's my lot, or just how it is. I know it isn't, and I fucking guarantee I'll be back to 6 figures in 2014, and then some.

More than enough money out there, and more than enough in adult. Go and get some of it (or not, and get it in mainstream, brick & mortar, wherever. There isn't some limited pot of money on the planet)

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Jel

I think it's more a rant against a mindset than a particular person

It's such an old cliche, but 'you can do anything if you put your mind to it' really is true, and works in whatever direction you choose to take. 95% of the planet are stuck in this 'realistic' train of thought, which is why anyone on something like 100k is bam right there in the top 5% earners or thereabouts.

I wouldn't post here just how bad my income has been for the last 12 - 18 months, but am I fuck accepting that's my lot, or just how it is. I know it isn't, and I fucking guarantee I'll be back to 6 figures in 2014, and then some.

More than enough money out there, and more than enough in adult. Go and get some of it (or not, and get it in mainstream, brick & mortar, wherever. There isn't some limited pot of money on the planet)

Maybe. But if I ran around the street pointing my finger at people I don't know and started insulting and lecturing them on their lives based on what my immediate perceptions of them were then I bet I'd lose my teeth and rightly so. Anyway enough about this guy.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Maybe. But if I ran around the street pointing my finger at people I don't know and started insulting and lecturing them on their lives based on what my immediate perceptions of them were then I bet I'd lose my teeth and rightly so. Anyway enough about this guy.

You'd lose your teeth because you are a sniveling pussy. But that's a whole other discussion that is of your general loserdom and not necessarily specific to the behavior I am talking about...

And I do know you. You are VERY consistent in your behavior. The pattern never changes. Your narrative never changes. You have nothing but problems and those problems are NEVER you. You are the one who gets sidetracked and bogged down in the "hows" and the "why's" of how you failed and "who did it to you" because to you, to maintain the facade that you've pulled over your own eyes, you need those irrelevant details to help you avoid accepting personal responsibility for the outcomes in your life.

If you were a sports coach, you'd be fired.
If you were a CEO, you'd be dismissed.
If you were a motivational speaker, you'd get laughed out of the room.
If you were a personal trainer, you'd have no clients.
.... etc etc etc.

And why? Because there are results and everything else. Those that can... and those that can't.

Those that understand that it requires a great deal of hard work, determination, will to succeed and strength of character to make it all happen. And there are those that just view the world is being unfair because its not happening to them.

Devoting every waking moment to convincing others not only that you can't but that others can't speaks volumes of how you see the world and you don't need Sigmund Freud to understand that the biggest obstacle to your success is how you see the world around you.

For some, losing just isn't an option, for others, its a way of life.
But it is a choice.

[signupdamnit]

If you want to get personal here's a way to reach me off the board [email protected]
Let's have a nice little chat.
Otherwise I don't do the internet tough guy thing and I'm not here to act like a child.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I signed up to your program once but never received an approval. I let it go there.

What approval? My program does not require approvals, you register with user/pass, create links and that's it.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If you want to get personal here's a way to reach me off the board [email protected]
Let's have a nice little chat.
Otherwise I don't do the internet tough guy thing and I'm not here to act like a child.

You're not here to act like a child, you're just here to act like a complete fucking loser who does nothing but devote every other post to how you are failing because someone is shaving or stealing or whatever - and to offer moral support to anyone else who claims the same.

I don't need to talk to you in private when i can just mock you in public.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

What approval? My program does not require approvals, you register with user/pass, create links and that's it.

I never received an activation code and the login failed when I tried it. I figured it was because you either approved manually or because you had some sort of restriction on free email addresses so I moved on and forgot about it.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You're not here to act like a child, you're just here to act like a complete fucking loser who does nothing but devote every other post to how you are failing because someone is shaving or stealing or whatever - and to offer moral support to anyone else who claims the same.

I don't need to talk to you in private when i can just mock you in public.

You can mock me all you want but I think it's now very clear who is and isn't a man here, TheSquealer. I'm going back to ignoring you now.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You can mock me all you want but I think it's now very clear who is and isn't a man here, TheSquealer. I'm going back to ignoring you now.

You're starting to sound all growed up. Be careful.... keep talking that "i'm a man now" talk and your parents will ask you to move out.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

I've had so many chargebacks on one sponsor this month that my outstanding credit stands at $28.58 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! over 80% chargeback rate on sales

I swear that cams is just one big fucking scam.

never heard of a rubber cam! it bounced