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dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 09:19 AM

In American cuisine a French dip sandwich is a hot sandwich consisting of thinly sliced roast beef on a French roll/baguette. It is served au jus ("with juice"), that is, with beef juice from the cooking process. Beef broth or beef consommé is sometimes substituted.

Despite the name, this American specialty is almost completely unknown in France.

Two Los Angeles restaurants have claimed to be the birthplace of the French dip sandwich: Cole's Pacific Electric Buffet and Philippe The Original.

Both restaurants were established in 1908. However, Cole's claims to have originated the sandwich shortly after the restaurant opened in 1908, while Philippe's claims that owner Philippe Mathieu invented it in 1918.

The story of the sandwich's invention by Philippe's claims that the sandwich was first created by a cook who, while preparing a sandwich for a police officer or fireman, accidentally dropped it into a pan of meat drippings.

Cole's account states that the sandwich was invented by a sympathetic chef, Jack Garlinghouse, for a customer who was complaining of sore gums.

This controversy over who originated the sandwich remains unresolved.

arock10 · 10-30-2013, 09:21 AM

it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

like cheesesteaks

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

like cheesesteaks

i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.

CaptainHowdy · 10-30-2013, 09:30 AM

Foodie controversy, hah!

arock10 · 10-30-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.

Myth busted I guess

Sarah_Jayne · 10-30-2013, 12:50 PM

I've only been to Philippe's and I enjoyed it but the most exciting part for me was that they sold Pa Dutch red beet eggs at the counter. For a displaced PA Dutch girl that was an oddly exciting surprise.

MrMaxwell · 10-30-2013, 01:55 PM

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8180307AAg8pWQ

sandman! · 10-30-2013, 01:58 PM

avalanche · 10-30-2013, 03:10 PM

Pretty much everything at Philippe's is insanely good. Their dips, custard, cole slaw, pie, and their hot mustard! Not something to miss if you're in the area. Cheap too, cash only.

RandyRandy · 10-30-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10

it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

like cheesesteaks

The original cheesesteak - at Pat's on 9th & Passyunk in South Philly is very good.

And I used to enjoy the Reuben sandwich at Reuben's (yes, where the sandwich was invented) on 38th and Madson in NYC. Sadly, Reuben's closed about 10 years ago.

Sarah_Jayne · 10-30-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

The original cheesesteak - at Pat's on 9th & Passyunk in South Philly is very good.

Correct.

And Ginos isn't bad either but as a Pat's fan, I can only say that outloud every so often. Outside of Philly, it is difficult to get anything close to either.

Mutt · 10-30-2013, 03:47 PM

I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

I've only been to Philippe's and I enjoyed it but the most exciting part for me was that they sold Pa Dutch red beet eggs at the counter. For a displaced PA Dutch girl that was an oddly exciting surprise.

did you eat one of those? i haven't tried them. i can't seem to try the eggs sitting in the liquid on the bar

RandyRandy · 10-30-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Despite the name, this American specialty is almost completely unknown in France.

Did you know in France, if you add (French) fries to a sandwich (as a topping, not on the side), it's called "a la Americain"?

My favorite though is in Colombia. Insteading of saying "Let's go Dutch" - meaning each person pays for themselves, they say: let's go American. Which is really ironic, because as an American in Colombia, I've always picked up every check - and never had a Colombian offer to chip in.

slapass · 10-30-2013, 04:43 PM

Now when did it become acceptable to put cheese on it? I always thought it was sans cheese.

EddyTheDog · 10-30-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.

French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

All I know is that I am starving...

Arnox · 10-30-2013, 05:06 PM

Skip to 1:50 for a segment on this.

dillfly2000 · 10-30-2013, 05:39 PM

Had a french dip yesterday at Perkins. yep...

pornmasta · 10-30-2013, 05:50 PM

i can't afford a dip but i like poo

RandyRandy · 10-30-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

All I know is that I am starving...

It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

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JFK · 10-30-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

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love it, made it last week

EddyTheDog · 10-30-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

love it, made it last week

I am not normally into soup - I always think of it like a hot vegetable smoothie - A good onion soup is a feast though - I love it...

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Now when did it become acceptable to put cheese on it? I always thought it was sans cheese.

i may be bastardizing mine, but when i make them at home, i put swiss on them, i don't order them that way on the outside though and would never ask even!

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Originally Posted by Arnox

Skip to 1:50 for a segment on this.

hah, that was xcllnt. and that was a slow day, based on my experience, it really is like the dmv in there. partly why i'm partial to cole's, + coles's has a killer full bar and is stumble home close.

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

http://

i haven't made french dip sammies and homemade onion soup in ages, but this has me thinking i need to geta crock and make some. my version of onion soup is/was quite simple, slice up some really nice onions, put them in beef consomme, simmer for a long time. there might be a spice or 2 but i can't recall, i'm going to go to my recipe folder, might be some clues...............

CDSmith · 10-30-2013, 06:18 PM

Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

Amazing.

Sly · 10-30-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.

The other night I had a reuben pizza. It was awesome.

RandyRandy · 10-30-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i haven't made french dip sammies and homemade onion soup in ages, but this has me thinking i need to geta crock and make some. my version of onion soup is/was quite simple, slice up some really nice onions, put them in beef consomme, simmer for a long time. there might be a spice or 2 but i can't recall, i'm going to go to my recipe folder, might be some clues...............

I just called my mother - she uses thyme.

pornmasta · 10-30-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

Amazing.

or replace it with orange juice, it works also to get it "au jus". You can also replace the bread with a patato

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

Amazing.

!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

I just called my mother - she uses thyme.

nice! thanks for that

RevSand · 10-30-2013, 07:33 PM

Philippes FTW!!

and I have never waiting more then like 10-15 mins in line there.

Mutt · 10-30-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ....... one of my favorite foods. between authentic Jewish matzo ball soup and French Onion for favorite soup, minestrone a close third.

Sarah_Jayne · 10-30-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

did you eat one of those? i haven't tried them. i can't seem to try the eggs sitting in the liquid on the bar

Well, I am a Pennsylvania Dutch girl who grew up with them as something that was always in the house. So, my opinion isn't likely to be the same as that of other people. I did try them and they tasted just like my mom makes. So, I bought a couple to take home.

Also, I had the lamb dip which is what brought me there anyway because I haven't seen one of those on a menu before.

Mutt · 10-30-2013, 09:07 PM

This french onion soup crock makes the best mobile cereal bowl ever. I have used one for 30 years - u can carry/eat cereal anywhere without spilling a drop.

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

All I know is that I am starving...

please be sure and tell frenchie that Mutt is canuckistani.

dyna mo · 10-30-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

Well, I am a Pennsylvania Dutch girl who grew up with them as something that was always in the house. So, my opinion isn't likely to be the same as that of other people. I did try them and they tasted just like my mom makes. So, I bought a couple to take home.

Also, I had the lamb dip which is what brought me there anyway because I haven't seen one of those on a menu before.

right on, being from the south, i can eat 12-13 deviled eggs in 1 sitting (those are 1/2 eggs;-0)but the pickled eggs and the red ones i just can't do, some friends and i meet up at joe jost in lb occasionally and several of them getinto pickled egg eating contests. can't do.

Red Ezra · 10-30-2013, 10:32 PM

Johnnies French Dip on Sepulveda is the best french dip sammich IMHO - by the way - they don't give you au jus to dip it in - its already dipped - same at Phillipes if I remember correctly. I used to stop at Johnnies on the way to play poker at Hollywood Park.

4017 South Sepulveda Blvd.
(Between Washington Blvd. and Washington Place)
Culver City, CA 90230

http://www.johnniespastrami.com/gallery.html

the Shemp · 10-31-2013, 12:03 AM

we call that a beef dip ...

Phoenix · 10-31-2013, 12:16 AM

damn it now im hungry..im not getting anything like what i see here

nico-t · 10-31-2013, 04:19 AM

I thought they would be called freedom dip sandwiches now

Stephen · 10-31-2013, 09:03 AM

I allow myself a French Dip now and again, with the meat browned, add crispy bacon, mayo and Provolone cheese, simply because you can't get a decent cheesesteak in California

Tom_PM · 10-31-2013, 09:11 AM

Did you know that Americans threw out French wine and renamed French fries at the urging of a dim witted administration who wanted to discredit the French ambassador to the UN who called for weapons inspectors to actually find WMD in Iraq before authorizing military strikes?
Deliciousness!

I've heard the story about the accidental drop in the juice and the cop loving the result. There is also disputes about who invented the hamburger. I believe the one who made it on toasted white bread, with a slab of onion and tomato and beef and nothing else. Great way to make a burger.

media · 10-31-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.

You've gotta get there at the right time of day... my name is carved in the wall upstairs at Phillipes.. I love that place... I used a spoon to carve this bad boy in the brick.. Last time we went back there it was still exactly the same.. I think it'll be there for a long long time like a lot of the other names up there..

I still have a jar of their mustard.. mmmmmm

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,340	the French Dip Controversy. In American cuisine a French dip sandwich is a hot sandwich consisting of thinly sliced roast beef on a French roll/baguette. It is served au jus ("with juice"), that is, with beef juice from the cooking process. Beef broth or beef consommé is sometimes substituted. Despite the name, this American specialty is almost completely unknown in France. Two Los Angeles restaurants have claimed to be the birthplace of the French dip sandwich: Cole's Pacific Electric Buffet and Philippe The Original. Both restaurants were established in 1908. However, Cole's claims to have originated the sandwich shortly after the restaurant opened in 1908, while Philippe's claims that owner Philippe Mathieu invented it in 1918. The story of the sandwich's invention by Philippe's claims that the sandwich was first created by a cook who, while preparing a sandwich for a police officer or fireman, accidentally dropped it into a pan of meat drippings. Cole's account states that the sandwich was invented by a sympathetic chef, Jack Garlinghouse, for a customer who was complaining of sore gums. This controversy over who originated the sandwich remains unresolved.

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Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	Johnnies Pastrami Johnnies French Dip on Sepulveda is the best french dip sammich IMHO - by the way - they don't give you au jus to dip it in - its already dipped - same at Phillipes if I remember correctly. I used to stop at Johnnies on the way to play poker at Hollywood Park. 4017 South Sepulveda Blvd. (Between Washington Blvd. and Washington Place) Culver City, CA 90230 http://www.johnniespastrami.com/gallery.html

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