How much money should I be making from this site (with tens of thousands of hits)?

[Samsonite]

I run an adult industry site that has some of the same-old material you would expect (interviews with porn starlets and producers, interviews with cam girls, etc). But the bulk of the content is made up of news and (especially) reviews from the international sex service industry (explanations of how "happy ending" massage works in the states, reviews of blowjob bars in Asia, go go bars, brothels, interviews with prostitutes, etc).

I've averaged anywhere from 125,000 - 250,000 pageviews per month over the last six months. To give you an idea, my pageviews for the last five days have been:

2,751
3,867
5,595
7,508
2,652

I run ads from JuicyAds, Fleshlight and some webcam sites. I've made about $300 collectively from all of these in 2013.

The only real money I've made came has come from ad space I sold directly to a related business. It still wasn't that much.

Although I didn't start the site to make money, I would mind it, especially since I put so much time in. I have a mainstream site getting 1/10 of the pageviews yet making around $10 in banner clicks and $10 in affiliate sales a month.

What gives? I know I can't run mainstream ads but I should still be able to make something, right?

How much money should I be making with these kinds of stats?

Thanks for your advice.

[dehash]

Try PlugRush

[Oracle Porn]

few cents

daily.

[Samsonite]

If 200,000 pageviews a month gets you pennies, you'd need hundreds of millions to come up with anything worthwhile.

[socialerts]

Hit me up on ICQ or skype,
I might have something to offer you.

[georgeyw]

Impossible to say.

What is the site, what is the niche you are targeting? Where is the traffic from?

The key to it is matching your traffic with their desires.....

Figure that out and you will turn your traffic into money.

[Samsonite]

I'm not really targeting any niche. I'm not an internet marketer and as I said, the site wasn't designed to make money. It's a place where I talk about the pay-for-play / sex for sale industry around the world. In about a year I've had about a million unique visits, and hundreds of commenters, so clearly there is some interest.

Over the last six months 88% of my traffic has been organic, originating in Google. They are mainly searching for things like locations of blowjob bars in Thailand and Japan, reviews of specific brothels in various countries, and methods for getting a happy ending in Asian massage parlors.

I'm just wondering what kind of numbers this amount of hits typically produces for an adult oriented site. If I had these numbers of my mainstream site, I'd expect to be bringing in something like 200-400 a month at least.

[arock10]

10-50 cents per thousand views

[Stephen]

While the question is like asking "How long is a piece of string" I've always used an easy benchmark:

2 cents per unique visitor to your site.

Getting more? Great! Getting less? Get back to work.

[Paul_Matthews]

Personally I would remove all of the ads from the networks, as they are obviously doing more damage than any good. Rather just focus on the content you have (sounds like you have a lot), and then drop in affiliate links here and there. It will entice clicks better than any of the adverts most likely, as there are so few clickable spots (so the user will associate those links with greater value, and be more likely to click)

Well, that's my 2c anyways.

[Samsonite]

Thanks for the advice Paul. It sounds good. I have thought about removing the JuicyAds advertising, but it's restricted to only one pretty unobtrusive banner in the header of the site, producing 10-25 cents a day on average. There would be a sort of blank spot there if I removed it anyway. The webcam stuff is restricted to two 125 x 125 buttons on the sidebar. Fleshlight has a similar ad that has converted 3 times out of 750 clicks for a total of $50.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Samsonite

I run an adult industry site that has some of the same-old material you would expect (interviews with porn starlets and producers, interviews with cam girls, etc). But the bulk of the content is made up of news and (especially) reviews from the international sex service industry (explanations of how "happy ending" massage works in the states, reviews of blowjob bars in Asia, go go bars, brothels, interviews with prostitutes, etc).

On the pages/articles with interviews with porn starlets, make sure you run banner ads/text links to that particular porn star's website. If they are coming their looking for that name in particular (the interviewee), then it would only make sense to target that surfer directly with their interest.

Same thing with the cam girls. What site do they perform on? Target that traffic and send the surfer directly to her landing page so they can see more of her live.

Same thing with producers, etc. Target that shit as tight as possible. Will it take more work than just setting up some iframes? Yes, but in the end you should see results.

As far as the prostitutes/hookers are concerned, I personally would set up some links to a hookup type site or dating site. Those surfers really want to get laid... like now. A dating site would be ideal to fufill this need for interaction immediately.

I'd use the Juicyads type ads just for filler content to make a few bucks every now and then.

Anyways, that's my

[Samsonite]

Thanks for the advice Harmon. Great minds think alike. I do run targeted ads on the porn and cam girl interviews. That's been most productive stuff so far. I thought the same thing about dating sites, but after 5 months without a single conversion, I ditched them. I do run an ad for a massage parlor review site but that hasn't converted well either.

[signupdamnit]

Sadly that's about right. You might even be doing better than the average.

For affiliate sales figure up:

Ctr (click through rate which is basically percentage of impressions of the page versus sponsor link clicked)

Conversion ratio (percentage/ratio of people which buy once they click on a given link)

For most of us in adult who are not sponsors (i.e. we are affiliates) after doing this it takes something like 100,000 - 300,000 pageviews to make a sale. And there can be different ways of defining pageviews and circumstances.

Whatever the case having to display a page 100k - 300k times just to make a $15 to $30 sale is pretty ridiculous and it's just one reason why so many affiliates have left adult. Ever since the porn paysite model crashed it has made it much harder for many adult sites.

Also figure up the worth of a current unique visitor.

Take money you earn on average in cents and divide that number by unique visits per month. This is a key number to be aware of. This how much each unique visitor to your site is worth. You can use the same method as a more accurate way of comparing sponsors or ad networks too.

My advice is to keep trying to sell direct ad space and consider popunders if you aren't already doing that. The popunders might piss off your surfers but you'll probably pick up an extra $100 a month from that. To make better money per visitor consider a bitter niche/industry.

[Samsonite]

Thanks signup for the really honest and straightforward answer. I fear you're probably right. I started my site as something I wanted to do, so I'll continue on. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing out on the possibility of some big cash flow. At 100-300 k pageviews for a sale it's easy to see why people would get out of it. I wonder why so many millions of affiliate sites (tgps, blogs, etc) still abound. Just skeletal remains of an old order or what?

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Harmon

On the pages/articles with interviews with porn starlets, make sure you run banner ads/text links to that particular porn star's website. If they are coming their looking for that name in particular (the interviewee), then it would only make sense to target that surfer directly with their interest.

Same thing with the cam girls. What site do they perform on? Target that traffic and send the surfer directly to her landing page so they can see more of her live.

Same thing with producers, etc. Target that shit as tight as possible. Will it take more work than just setting up some iframes? Yes, but in the end you should see results.

As far as the prostitutes/hookers are concerned, I personally would set up some links to a hookup type site or dating site. Those surfers really want to get laid... like now. A dating site would be ideal to fufill this need for interaction immediately.

I'd use the Juicyads type ads just for filler content to make a few bucks every now and then.

Anyways, that's my

The dating site is a good idea. Maybe an automatic interstitial type ad after the first or second click might work. Have it present the dating site as a way to get laid fast (better with GEO and localization) and allow the surfer to kill the ad easily. It could work well with his traffic. If you do this definitely split test at least three different dating sponsors.

[Samsonite]

As mentioned, tried 3 dating programs -- one aimed at "hook ups" and two more aimed at "meeting now." Used reputable affiliate programs. Not a single conversion.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Samsonite

Thanks signup for the really honest and straightforward answer. I fear you're probably right. I started my site as something I wanted to do, so I'll continue on. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing out on the possibility of some big cash flow. At 100-300 k pageviews for a sale it's easy to see why people would get out of it. I wonder why so many millions of affiliate sites (tgps, blogs, etc) still abound. Just skeletal remains of an old order or what?

Remnants of an old order is a good way of putting it. I don't think many affiliates realize how many pageviews or uniques it takes for them to make affiliate sale with the paysites. Most industry affiliates only look at ratios. It's worse with paysites but there still seems to be a saturation/tracking decline with cams and dating too.

Many sites stay up because they are still profitable so there is no reason to take them down yet. In some countries you can live on $200 a month too.

[globofun]

That's a gold mine.....nice site!

Instead of unrelated ads, try specific niche programs and dating...

I'm sure DWB could help you convert some of the asian traffic...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Samsonite

As mentioned, tried 3 dating programs -- one aimed at "hook ups" and two more aimed at "meeting now." Used reputable affiliate programs. Not a single conversion.

I'm not really surprised. Personally I think the biggest challenge with adult dating is finding an honest sponsor or at least one who will set YOUR shave/skim the lowest for the longest time. You might try a couple more yet just in case those were all being ridiculous with their shaves. Set up a jump script and monitor the exact traffic going out too.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Stephen

While the question is like asking "How long is a piece of string" I've always used an easy benchmark:

2 cents per unique visitor to your site.

Getting more? Great! Getting less? Get back to work.

Bingo!!! Thats what tgps make me 2-3 cents a hit

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Samsonite

As mentioned, tried 3 dating programs -- one aimed at "hook ups" and two more aimed at "meeting now." Used reputable affiliate programs. Not a single conversion.

As Harmon said already, targeting is everything. Throwing random traffic at dating ads isn't marketing. Isolate and SELL.

My suggestion is to just be selective when it comes to advice from the people in this thread. People who haven't been successful at this ever will not help you in the least. It's usually pretty obvious who has been or not.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

As Harmon said already, targeting is everything. Throwing random traffic at dating ads isn't marketing. Isolate and SELL.

My suggestion is to just be selective when it comes to advice from the people in this thread. People who haven't been successful at this ever will not help you in the least. It's usually pretty obvious who has been or not.

And be aware that many people are only here doing their JOBS.

[jimmycastor]

do not push any mainstream dating, cams

no chance to compete with tiny 5k impressions a day, against the cookiestuffing megatubes/sites , even if they clickthru on your site they might decide to join later and your sale will be lost becoz someone else has planted his cookie somewhere else

i never had luck with them but still do good paysite sales

sites like vdbucks (asiansexdiary) comes into my mind that could do good on your site

[notauniquename]

Do you think you are making any money from mobile traffic.

I have a site that is kind of adult niche but not adult and no decent paysite for it. I threw up plug rush and get paid about .40 cents a day on mobile redirects. I get about 300 to 350 UV a day. I have no other way to make money and this is an easy way to at least pay my shared hosting bill so the other sites are free.

[Samsonite]

As an update my pageviews have increased about 10 fold since I made this thread. I played around with affiliates and found some that work very well. Combined with direct sale of ads things have doing well for me.

[lucas131]

the actors and directors and bars and everything must be about some keywords, so just use sites that fits the keywords. if someone is looking for interview with teencat and you have it, just put there teencatporn site and voila, there you go! each section or each page need to have different banners, and if there is more possibilities, i would suggest to push new sites that people dont know ... hope you know what i mean have luck!

[AmeliaG]

Replace Fleshlight with a dating sponsor. People looking at your site niche want a human.

[Ju$th00kuP]

Hey Buddy,

Hit me up, we can look at getting you set up on a per lead payout, so you'll get paid for every join you send our way!

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Ju$th00kuP

Hey Buddy,

Hit me up, we can look at getting you set up on a per lead payout, so you'll get paid for every join you send our way!

so normally we are not paid for every join we send?

[wehateporn]

Sell contextual links from your articles

[seolinker]

Originally Posted by lucas131

so normally we are not paid for every join we send?

In case of Date-Connected ? Sure! Remember total shave in aff networks