The problem with the Adult Biz in 2013

[Yanks_Todd]

It's not tubes or piracy.

It is a lack of innovation and the ability to quickly form profitable, innovative partnerships that utilize the technology and data connectivity of 2013. For the last month here at YanksCash we have thrown ourselves into working on dual join mailers to past members, one click upsells and various co-regs.

Essentially we are trying to responsibly and ethically offer the people in our system that do get out their credit cards everything adult as easily as possible. This means working with the Billing Companies ,CMS companies and affiliate software companies to build connectivity between us and other Content Producers, Cam, Dating, and Sex Toy companies. And damn, it is anything but smooth.

In my opinion there is plenty of money to be made, however this industry needs to push for more tools to make it happen.

I believe that the Billers, CMS and Affiliate software companies are not having the right conversations amongst themselves and are failing at getting highly integrated products out to the companies that have fought though the worst of the industries downfall.

Get us talking and you get our customers spending.

Oh wow, look another whitelabel, Awesome!

Yep, that sure was cool in 2003.

Remember that the foundation of this industry and success on the net in general is based in partnership.

This industry has totally dropped the ball in regards to the innovation of partnership.

Just to be clear I am not pointing the finger at any company in particular, I believe this goes across the board. Myself included.

[nexcom28]

I agree.

[adendreams]

good read

[American Psycho]

Correct. BUT
innovating is hard so most can't or don't even try
There are a few that have and
Those who have are sittn pretty and that's the way
It always will be.
Todd, speaking of connecting ive been trying to reach you for a while but no answer. How can I get you?

[whOaKemosabe]

why not finish your thread that started with "The..."

[trevesty]

There are unfortunately still a lot of people in the old school mindset of "put up gallery, make sales" across the board & there's still a lot of old guard in many places. They're comfortable - why should they try to do something innovative for their customers or their customers' customers? That takes risk - not many like to take risks in this industry anymore.

The ones who do still make good money.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

It's not tubes or piracy.

It is a lack of innovation and the ability to quickly form profitable, innovative partnerships that utilize the technology and data connectivity of 2013. For the last month here at YanksCash we have thrown ourselves into working on dual join mailers to past members, one click upsells and various co-regs.

Essentially we are trying to responsibly and ethically offer the people in our system that do get out their credit cards everything adult as easily as possible. This means working with the Billing Companies ,CMS companies and affiliate software companies to build connectivity between us and other Content Producers, Cam, Dating, and Sex Toy companies. And damn, it is anything but smooth.

In my opinion there is plenty of money to be made, however this industry needs to push for more tools to make it happen.

I believe that the Billers, CMS and Affiliate software companies are not having the right conversations amongst themselves and are failing at getting highly integrated products out to the companies that have fought though the worst of the industries downfall.

Get us talking and you get our customers spending.

Oh wow, look another whitelabel, Awesome!

Yep, that sure was cool in 2003.

Remember that the foundation of this industry and success on the net in general is based in partnership.

This industry has totally dropped the ball in regards to the innovation of partnership.

Just to be clear I am not pointing the finger at any company in particular, I believe this goes across the board. Myself included.

Google has caused more problems the tubes or piracy the last couple years. Also what you are talking about is great and all and I agree, but a lot of affiliates have no way to influence the billing process unless they build paysites themselves

[ilnjscb]

I think this is what Beaner is saying as well

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by arock10

Google has caused more problems the tubes or piracy the last couple years. Also what you are talking about is great and all and I agree, but a lot of affiliates have no way to influence the billing process unless they build paysites themselves

[Rochard]

I disagree with a lack of innovation, or that people still think they can put galleries up and make money (they can really, everyone puts galleries up at Freeones for a reason).

It's tubes. Why pay for something you can get for free?

I am not much into porn stars, but I do have a huge thing for Faye Reagan. I also don't spend my time surfing porn for fun, but just out of curiosity the other day I hit some tube sites looking for Faye Reagan. With very little effort I was able to see full length movies of Faye getting banged and having threesomes.

Why pay for something when you can get it for free?

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree with a lack of innovation, or that people still think they can put galleries up and make money (they can really, everyone puts galleries up at Freeones for a reason).

It's tubes. Why pay for something you can get for free?

I am not much into porn stars, but I do have a huge thing for Faye Reagan. I also don't spend my time surfing porn for fun, but just out of curiosity the other day I hit some tube sites looking for Faye Reagan. With very little effort I was able to see full length movies of Faye getting banged and having threesomes.

Why pay for something when you can get it for free?

Yes. Many people, for some reason (I think I know why), just do not want to admit the obvious. Innovation will help to a point but go out and try to find new innovative ways to sell air in a 12 oz can and tell me how much success you have (and even then air cannot be copied or pirated in the way digital goods can).

If suddenly the government started passing out free housing of decent quality to nearly everyone in a country guess what would happen? Housing prices would plummet with very few exceptions. It's supply and demand. Basic business stuff here, ladies and gentlemen. The supply is being radically increased due to piracy and the market is flooded.

[JockoHomo]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes. Many people, for some reason (I think I know why), just do not want to admit the obvious. Innovation will help to a point but go out and try to find new innovative ways to sell air in a 12 oz can and tell me how much success you have (and even then air cannot be copied or pirated in the way digital goods can).

If suddenly the government started passing out free housing of decent quality to nearly everyone in a country guess what would happen? Housing prices would plummet with very few exceptions. It's supply and demand. Basic business stuff here, ladies and gentlemen. The supply is being radically increased due to piracy and the market is flooded.

Well stated.
Yes, it REALLY IS as simple as that.

[Sid70]

I jerk off on justjared.com, seeing new pics of Natalie Portman makes my day.

[iwiiiiiiiiii]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

This industry has totally dropped the ball in regards to the innovation of partnership.

From the moment the rev share became 90%+ of the sale, the term partnership ran away

[Datingsystems]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying- and I think some companies have became lazy. They need to think outside the box and maximize every drop of data they gather - analyzing it for the potential of cross pollination both in and out house and and/or re-marketing in other niches including mainstream.

[Fat Panda]

The problem with adult 2013 is the industries acceptance of adult ad networks that willfully conspire with tube sites to monetize illegal content.

See this thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1124444

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I

"It's tubes. Why pay for something you can get for free?"

Why by a car when you can take the bus? I have a bustop right out side my house that during rush hour gets me places way faster then my car.

Why buy a Mercedes when you can buy a Toyota Camry?

I charge $30 a month. There are millions of people in the world to whom free vs. $30 means nothing.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

The problem with adult 2013 is the industries acceptance of adult ad networks that willfully conspire with tube sites to monetize illegal content.

See this thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1124444

This is a big problem as well.

[Raymonpow]

agree to what YanksTodd said. And of course google changed a lot an its not always good

[arock10]

Coca cola makes a shit load of money selling bottled water...

For years they missed out on this market because they probably had a room full of smart people going "water is free, no one will buy this!"

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Why by a car when you can take the bus? I have a bustop right out side my house that during rush hour gets me places way faster then my car.

Why buy a Mercedes when you can buy a Toyota Camry?

I charge $30 a month. There are millions of people in the world to whom free vs. $30 means nothing.

Well for the Mercedes part...

I don't jerk off to impress women.

The quality/speed of the videos on the tubes, is good enuff for 90%+ of all men.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Well for the Mercedes part...

I don't jerk off to impress women.

The quality/speed of the videos on the tubes, is good enuff for 90%+ of all men.

Exactly, its the 10% that is isn't good enough for that is the market. When you are talking about pussy 10% is a lot of cash.

[ajapub]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

... innovating is hard so most can't or don't even try
There are a few that have and
Those who have are sittn pretty and that's the way
It always will be.

This is true for most internet businesses Whether it's an increase in viewer savviness or an oversaturation of advertising, one must evolve if they wish to stay on top of things.

[slapass]

I know that a lot of folks that were here earlier are less likely to try new stuff as the success rate is lower now. If you made good money you are complacent. Simple as that.

[xNetworx]

Very few people in this business seem optimistic these days. This may have an impact on creativity and willingness to collaborate with other companies. When times were better there was a tremendous energy and social aspect at trade shows. That energy has been toned down greatly.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Correct. BUT
innovating is hard so most can't or don't even try
There are a few that have and
Those who have are sittn pretty and that's the way
It always will be.
Todd, speaking of connecting ive been trying to reach you for a while but no answer. How can I get you?

skype is easiest - tmspaits

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Exactly, its the 10% that is isn't good enough for that is the market. When you are talking about pussy 10% is a lot of cash.

lol at 10% I'd be surprised if its 0.01%

[SZNY]

The innovation level in adult is below zero compared with mainstream. Name the last 3 things what were innovating (not talking about copies that were taken from mainstream).

Partnerships is very hard, mostly it ends up as a disappointment because everyone has a different view and expectations.

I believe in partnerships but they are hard to find.

Cool thing is that there are so many new technologies to make money making projects but it seems that everyone is busy to copy cat each other or in an await state.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by KillerK

I don't jerk off to impress women.

Then you're not jerking it correctly.

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Correct. BUT innovating is hard so most can't or don't even try

Pioneers get slaughtered, and the settlers prosper. Creating new markets is an expense that many in this industry cannot afford or stomach. Innovating is nearly valueless now that iterating can deliver so much more. See Dave at Pimproll for an excellent example of how to blend small amounts of innovation with heavy amounts of iteration.

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

It is a lack of innovation and the ability to quickly form profitable, innovative partnerships that utilize the technology and data connectivity of 2013. For the last month here at YanksCash we have thrown ourselves into working on dual join mailers to past members, one click upsells and various co-regs.

The smaller companies, who want to invest this time and energy, have a hard time finding something valuable to offer to the larger companies, who often don't. Technological innovation in the form of "plug in partnerships" would change this, but adult is probably an awful market to offer this type of service for a variety of reasons. Good thread, it gets people talking and thinking.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Pioneers get slaughtered, and the settlers prosper.

Damn that sucks

[Best-In-BC]

Agree agree agree

[TumblrPRO]

Adapt or move on.

It's 2013. Not 2002.

Bye.

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by TumblrPRO

Adapt or move on.

It's 2013. Not 2002.

Bye.

[garce]

Tldr:::::

[Best-In-BC]

Whats wrong with trading traffic ?

[ajapub]

When "content" (that includes adult or any other types of niche) becomes saturated and easier to come by, the demand for it will do down. Combine that with a viewer audience who is growing increasingly more savvy, participatory, and critical, and you get it from the other side as well- if you fail to evolve.

What is the logical conclusion to all of this. If we're said to be in the information age, what comes after that. In my opinion and just from observing the trends, what comes after is the Age of Knowledge and Expertise

[Bec]

Part of me can't help but wonder: If ALL programs had adopted the DRM and stuck to their guns with it, would we have all the piracy we see out there today to contend with?

... just a thought that came with the

Pioneers get slaughtered, and the settlers prosper

comment.

[BAKO]

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[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Bec

Part of me can't help but wonder: If ALL programs had adopted the DRM and stuck to their guns with it, would we have all the piracy we see out there today to contend with?

... just a thought that came with the comment.

That is a really interesting thought.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Bec

Part of me can't help but wonder: If ALL programs had adopted the DRM and stuck to their guns with it, would we have all the piracy we see out there today to contend with?

If that had happened I'm confident illegal tube sites would have much less stolen content to utilize.

[Evil Chris]

I saw this thread the other day and am just getting around to adding my 2 cents.

I have to agree with Todd that we all must innovate to stay ahead.
Payze is a product I have recently gotten behind, and it is indeed an innovative billing solution. We're doing things that nobody else is doing. What we do is so new, that people initially don't recognize the distinct benefits until they see a demonstration.

If you would like to see what Payze is doing for billing, please contact me for a demo.

[Bec]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

If that had happened I'm confident illegal tube sites would have much less stolen content to utilize.

Exactly my thoughts as well. We lock up our homes, our cars, our school lockers, our brick and mortar businesses .... why should the internet be any different when it comes to protecting our property?

[pornmasta]

Tanks Yodd