dyna mo

anyone here read this? got a copy for xmas and am tearing through it. xcllnt read.

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he talks at length about the 10,000 hour rule, if you want to be world-class at something, it takes 10,000 hours of practice.

bronco67

I've always heard that persistence is more important than anything else when it comes to success. Failing multiple times will reap benefits eventually.

After seeing the Wolf of Wall Street I became interested in Jordan Belfort in a "where are they now" sense. I found this video on Youtube and its very interesting how he breaks down what makes someone successful at whatever they choose to do. Granted, his past business model was unethical and without value to its customers, but at least he was pretty damn good at getting paid.

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Grapesoda

definitely have 10k+ hours behind the camera and on the lights

bronco67

I easily have 10,000 hours of medical animation experience...and yes I am a master. I've done about 20 hours already and the week just started.

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dyna mo

Ericsson is also on record as emphasising that not just any practice counts towards the 10,000-hour average. It has to be deliberate, dedicated time spent focusing on improvement.

he calls it appropriately guided practice: dedicated and intensive honing of skills.

dyna mo

Reemphasizing his theme, Gladwell continuously reminds the reader that genius is not the only or even the most important thing when determining a person's success.

Using an anecdote to illustrate his claim, he discusses the story of Christopher Langan, a man who ended up owning a horse farm in rural Missouri despite having an IQ of 195 (Gladwell claims that Einstein's was 150).

Gladwell points out that Langan has not reached a high level of success because of the environment in which he grew up. With no one in Langan's life and nothing in his background to help him take advantage of his exceptional gifts, he had to find success by himself. "No one?not rock stars, not professional athletes, not software billionaires, and not even geniuses?ever makes it alone", writes Gladwell.

Grapesoda

I try to get better every shoot

TheSquealer

Was his idea of success to own a horse farm?

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dyna mo

no, his goal was to formulate the Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe.

the author speculates he did not achieve that due to his environment of being raised in poverty.

dyna mo

i'm with ya, that comment wasn't a reply, just adding some more detail to the thread

it's a good read, check it out for those cold days in montana

Rochard

So if you do something for four years..... Assuming roughly eight hours a day, five days a week, fifty-two weeks a year..... You are an expert?

I say bullshit.

I went to college where full time daily attendance was mandatory. This was back in 1998. The day before our last final a class mate asked me what a pop3 email was, and how to set one up in an email client.

My point is too stupid to understand the concept of proper breaking distance, no less the ability to master anything.

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It's a nice idea and while it's true that practice makes a huge difference it doesn't matter how much you put in not everyone will become Wayne Gretzky. Simple as that. The author knows this too I imagine but including it would ruin his sales.

To illustrate the authors example I know many hockey players. A couple are pro but the rest are not. They all started in peewee and played straight into junior A though only a couple went on from there. Neither that went pro were Sidney Crosby no matter how much they practiced.

Kolargol

Medical animation? Do you take new orders? Could you please email me links at feetfactory dot com ?

Kolargol

World-class??? In most things 10,000 hours of practice is not enough to be an expert in the neighborhood.

dyna mo

that's not it at all.

dyna mo

from my op-

outliers are the best and the brightest, the most famous and the most successful. the their culture, their family, their generation, and the idiosyncratic experiences of their upbringing. Along the way he explains the secrets of software billionaires, what it takes to be a great soccer player, why Asians are good at math, and what made the Beatles the greatest rock band.

nevertheless, he does spend a couple chapters on practice and bases his statements on quite a bit of research that backs it up.

but taking the 10,000 hour rule out of that equation and looking at it by itself, the author never claims 10,000 hours = wayne gretzky.

he does argue that 10,000 hours (on average) of appropriately focused practice = an expert on cognitively demanding activities.

dyna mo

he based his view on practice via this study (and other similar studies)

summary report:

New research shows that outstanding performance is the product of years of deliberate practice and coaching, not of any innate talent or skill.

The Making of an Expert
http://www.uvm.edu/~pdodds/files/pap...csson2007a.pdf

what research are you basing your view on?

iwantchixx

It makes perfect sense.

Look at all those famous guitarists who tell stories of living, breathing, eating and shitting rock n roll from the time they wake up until the time they go to sleep (excluding the little time they spent at classes, and getting drunk lol).

That's only 400 and some straight days of playing, totally doable in a 4-5 year span as teens.. heck, I probably put in 5-7 thousand hours myself, I guess I just needed that extra little bit before not giving a shit

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Gladwell has excellent, thought provoking books. If you liked the Outliers give The tipping point a read if you haven't read it yet.

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dyna mo

my guitar practicing was the reason behind the gift! although i'm *only* able to dedicate 4 hours a day to it, but if i can continue that longterm, that's a little over 6 years. very doable.

appreciated, i do like his style- a lot. it's thought-provoking, entertaining, and has real- world value, a difficult combo to master. i'll look for the tipping point.

mopek1

That example can be applied to any other area aside from hockey. To be an outlier takes practice and effort yes but a whole lot more that we can't always control.

Markul

Thanks for sharing that. Good read.