Gov Scott Walker Haters..

[Minte]

So the numbers are in. Wisconsin now has a budget surplus of 1 billion dollars. Not a single unionized government employee lost their job.

They are deciding now to put a lot of that surplus back into the public school system and help a bit with property tax relief.

When he took office, our state was like almost every other state in the US. The former democratic governor had run the state into a big hole.

This is what is called real leadership.

[kane]

What did he do to change things?

I remember when he first took office there was a lot of news about how he was going to try to break the unions, but clearly that didn't happen. Just curious what he did differently.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Apparently, some in Wisconsin do not agree...

Gov. Scott Walker has honed his reputation as a fiscal conservative, taking credit for closing a $3.6 billion spending gap left from the Jim Doyle administration.

But a new report from the non-partisan Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance shows the state has actually just been borrowing more money.

The two-year, $70 billion state budget signed in July authorizes an additional $2.05 billion in borrowing, with $1.64 billion of it paid for with general fund revenues. That continues a borrowing trend that has tripled since 1999 under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Under Walker?s 2013-15 budget, debt service will climb even higher, claiming 5.26% of general fund dollars in 2014 and 4.88% in 2015, according to WISTAX. The state?s historical debt level target has been 4%.

The main reason for the borrowing increase is Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program for low-income and disabled residents. Spending there will increase an average of 8.7% annually over the next two years compared to a 2.2% increase for schools and 0.5% for county and municipal shared revenues.

?These numbers illustrate what has been a decade-long shift in state priorities from local assistance to Medicaid,? says the report.

Walker has only added to the problem, some have argued, by rejecting $4.4 billion in federal Medicaid assistance, linked to Obamacare, over the next decade.

Due to the increases, Medicaid expenditures now account for 15.1 percent of total state general fund spending. That?s a record high and up from an average of about 10 percent during 1985-2003.

Conversely, K-12 school aids will comprise just one-third of general fund spending, the lowest percentage since 1996, a year before then Gov. Tommy Thompson committed to funding two-thirds of school costs in an effort to control local property taxes.

In 1996, shared revenues to municipalities and counties accounted for 12.4 percent of spending but will be less than 6 percent by 2015, WISTAX found.

While Medicaid accounts for the largest increase in spending, WISTAX notes that general fund dollars are also funding transportation, a relatively new phenomenon.

The Walker budget shifts $213.7 million from the general fund and $44.5 million from the petroleum inspection fund to pay for transportation needs. It also pays for the debt service on another $200 million in transportation borrowing with general fund dollars.

?These are dollars that, in the past, would have funded schools and local aid, among other programs,? WISTAX says.

WISTAX is not the only observer to note that Walker has continued a trend of increased borrowing.

Milwaukee columnist Bruce Murphy recently took the governor to task for posturing as a budget-balancer while actually increasing the amount of state borrowing and long-term debt.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/w...#ixzz2qyvHENlF

ADG

[DamianJ]

ADG, don't let simple facts get into the way of good ol' fashioned Minte posts.

[Relentless]

If I borrow two dollars and spend one dollar I do not have a one dollar surplus...

The same question remains as always...

What do we do with all the people society no longer needs?
That number will continue growing rapidly and the cost of it will soon dwarf every other expense.

Walker have an answer for that? (Other than borrow even more money)

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Relentless

What do we do with all the people society no longer needs?
That number will continue growing rapidly and the cost of it will soon dwarf every other expense.

Walker have an answer for that? (Other than borrow even more money)

Yum.

[Rochard]

So this guy blew through billions of dollars, owes two billion dollars, is claiming a surplus, and all he has to to show for it is being in the bottom ten percent for job growth, wage growth, economic outlook, and dead last in short term job growth?

And you wonder why a little known black senator with a rather unimpressive track record beat the Republican party twice in the race to the White House.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

ADG, don't let simple facts get into the way of good ol' fashioned Minte posts.

But if you say it's true enough times it become reality...

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Apparently, some in Wisconsin do not agree...

ADG

Maybe check your sources before posting stupid crap like this. According to the workingamerica blog they are a "Community Affiliate of the AFL-CIO"

So I would take anything they say with less than a grain of salt.

http://blog.workingamerica.org/2014/...a-punching-in/

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So this guy blew through billions of dollars, owes two billion dollars, is claiming a surplus, and all he has to to show for it is being in the bottom ten percent for job growth, wage growth, economic outlook, and dead last in short term job growth?

And you wonder why a little known black senator with a rather unimpressive track record beat the Republican party twice in the race to the White House.

Therein lies the rub. Take the black out of the equation he loses.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Maybe check your sources before posting stupid crap like this. According to the workingamerica blog they are a "Community Affiliate of the AFL-CIO"

So I would take anything they say with less than a grain of salt.

http://blog.workingamerica.org/2014/...a-punching-in/

the "source" of the statement THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES was just a mere child....doesn't change the fact that the man is naked

[Minte]

The Cap Times is not an unbiased source and check the date of your article. Anything printed in Madison is heavily slanted towards liberalism.

Now read the truth from a business source not based in Madison and read the date.
3 days ago.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) ? Wisconsin's net budget surplus grew to nearly $1 billion, money that Gov. Scott Walker and Republican legislative leaders are eyeing for income and property tax cuts.

The net total surplus of $977 million was fueled by $893 million in tax collections above earlier projections, the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau reported Thursday.
News of the surplus, expected for weeks but larger than many anticipated, will set off a feeding frenzy in the Capitol among lobbyists, special interest groups and lawmakers all trying to spend a piece of the pie.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-...ts-977-million

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If I borrow two dollars and spend one dollar I do not have a one dollar surplus...

The same question remains as always...

What do we do with all the people society no longer needs?
That number will continue growing rapidly and the cost of it will soon dwarf every other expense.

Walker have an answer for that? (Other than borrow even more money)

You I expected more from. Jumping on a bandwagon, without checking other reliable sources. The entire state of wi budget and audits are online. Check them out. I did.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

And what were the number under previous governments?
Also would like to see all the numbers as it looks like they cherry picked only those in the 40s.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

And what were the number under previous governments?
Also would like to see all the numbers as it looks like they cherry picked only those in the 40s.

I believe infographics from Special Interest Groups, as fact, when they support my opinion. When they don't, I call the infographic supporter a sheep and Fox News disciple.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Maybe check your sources before posting stupid crap like this. According to the workingamerica blog they are a "Community Affiliate of the AFL-CIO"

So I would take anything they say with less than a grain of salt.

http://blog.workingamerica.org/2014/...a-punching-in/

Maybe check the footnotes...unless you are now alleging that Forbes, the US Chamber of Commerce, etc., and non-partisan government agencies are all part of an AFL-CIO conspiracy.





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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

I believe infographics from Special Interest Groups, as fact, when they support my opinion. When they don't, I call the infographic supporter a sheep and Fox News disciple.

makes life so much easier

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Sly

I believe infographics from Special Interest Groups, as fact, when they support my opinion. When they don't, I call the infographic supporter a sheep and Fox News disciple.

But DamianJ already confirmed those "simple facts"

Anyway, thats one example of how easy is to manipulate opinion.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I don't know much about the topic so I can't really chime in, but typically when someone has to make some catchy image to list "facts" it's usually BS from a biased opinion.

[TheSquealer]

He with the best infographic wins! Welcome to the twitter/facebook generation trying to understand complex problems.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Minte

The Cap Times is not an unbiased source and check the date of your article. Anything printed in Madison is heavily slanted towards liberalism.

Now read the truth from a business source not based in Madison and read the date.
3 days ago.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) ? Wisconsin's net budget surplus grew to nearly $1 billion, money that Gov. Scott Walker and Republican legislative leaders are eyeing for income and property tax cuts.

The net total surplus of $977 million was fueled by $893 million in tax collections above earlier projections, the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau reported Thursday.
News of the surplus, expected for weeks but larger than many anticipated, will set off a feeding frenzy in the Capitol among lobbyists, special interest groups and lawmakers all trying to spend a piece of the pie.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-...ts-977-million

Did he or did he not borrow two billion dollars?

If he did, what does he have to show for it?

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Minte

You I expected more from. Jumping on a bandwagon, without checking other reliable sources. The entire state of wi budget and audits are online. Check them out. I did.

I'm flattered you expect more from me... I'm not jumping on the bandwagon at all. Has Walker done anything to address the actual problem? Cutting pensions or restricting collective bargaining doesn't solve anything. Even if it 'works' it only serves to cut income to people who had negotiated for it and worked for it.

When Walker has a plan of what to do long term with millions of people who are no longer needed, let me know. That would be something to have a thread about. The fact that he may have a short term surplus from better than expected tax revenue, borrowing and cutting collective bargaining is hardly a roadmap of the way to move forward. At best it's cost shifting from state pensions people bargained for to federal aid we all pay for... We are years, not decades, from a massive shift in economic viability for most Americans. Cutting collective bargaining doesn't stem that tide.

As I posted in another thread, 85 people now control more wealth than 50 percent of the entire world population. It's not sustainable and a one year surplus in Wisconsin is nothing to hang your hat on.

[BFT3K]

Yeah, unions are terrible.

No one deserves collective bargaining - it's communism!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=s0Yj3IHwcQo

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Maybe check the footnotes...unless you are now alleging that Forbes, the US Chamber of Commerce, etc., and non-partisan government agencies are all part of an AFL-CIO conspiracy.





ADG

ADG-


Could you please post some fancy less than flattering graphics on Obama.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I'm flattered you expect more from me... I'm not jumping on the bandwagon at all. Has Walker done anything to address the actual problem? Cutting pensions or restricting collective bargaining doesn't solve anything. Even if it 'works' it only serves to cut income to people who had negotiated for it and worked for it.

When Walker has a plan of what to do long term with millions of people who are no longer needed, let me know. That would be something to have a thread about. The fact that he may have a short term surplus from better than expected tax revenue, borrowing and cutting collective bargaining is hardly a roadmap of the way to move forward. At best it's cost shifting from state pensions people bargained for to federal aid we all pay for... We are years, not decades, from a massive shift in economic viability for most Americans. Cutting collective bargaining doesn't stem that tide.

As I posted in another thread, 85 people now control more wealth than 50 percent of the entire world population. It's not sustainable and a one year surplus in Wisconsin is nothing to hang your hat on.

Then I imagine the most we can hope for is that a very large asteroid strikes the planet.

[BFT3K]

I love politicians that prioritize the interests of the Koch brothers, over the interests of the people they are supposed to represent.

This country needs to roll out the fucking guillotines!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Minte

Then I imagine the most we can hope for is that a very large asteroid strikes the planet.

If 'ice age' is our best hope, we deserve whatever we get.

I think we an do quite a bit better than the dinosaurs did, and it starts with getting beyond petty bickering about a few hundred million when the real solution requires a multi trillion dollar move.

Your entire state has a surplus of less than 10% of the personal wealth of any of these people http://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/2013-01-23/aaa and you thought enough of it to create a thread about it. Scott Walker isn't a genius... he is owned by the people on this chart, as are most of us, whether we know it or not.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I love politicians that prioritize the interests of the Koch brothers, over the interests of the people they are supposed to represent.

This country needs to roll out the fucking guillotines!

Good idea, Hitler!

Lets murder people you disagree with. That's the path to a better future.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I love politicians that prioritize the interests of the Koch brothers, over the interests of the people they are supposed to represent.

This country needs to roll out the fucking guillotines!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4

That fake guy sounds like a young dude and governor actually believed he was talking to Koch?

[ErectMedia]

Seen the bumper stickers/yard signs as I travel to wisconsin quite a bit including tomorrow I'll be in Madison but never looked into what the deal was on him.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Dvae

ADG-

Could you please post some fancy less than flattering graphics on Obama.

You make the assumption that progressives (left of what you consider liberal) are happy with Obama, when in fact Obama is assailed by the left wing all of the time for being too much of a middle of the road politician.

Guess you missed the recent book by Oliver Stone, or MSNBC's, and even Michael Moore's scathing criticism of some aspects of the Obama Administration (from leftwing sources):

On Wall Street reform: ?The biggest winner under Obama was Wall Street.?

On health care: ?Obama?s failure to articulate a progressive vision was also apparent in the fight over health reform, which was to have been his signature initiative?Obama?s health care reform effort, marked by the inability to even refute Republican charges of death panels, was so unpopular that it became an albatross around the necks of Democrats in the 2010 election.?

On a troop surge in Afghanistan: ?When it finally came down to decision time, Obama didn?t have the courage or integrity of a post-Cuban Missile Crisis John F. Kennedy. He settled on a 30,000-troop increase, giving the military leaders almost everything they wanted and more than they expected.?

On civil liberties: ?Among the greatest disappointments to his followers was Obama?s refusal to roll back the expanding national security state that so egregiously encroached on American civil liberties.?

On ?imperialism?: ?[He] was not offering a decisive break with over a century of imperial conquest. His was a centrist approach to better managing the American empire rather than advancing a positive role for the United States in a rapidly evolving world.?

On defense spending: ?While cutting defense spending, pulling combat forces out of Iraq and beginning the drawdown in Afghanistan represented a welcome retreat from they hypermilitarism of the Bush-Cheney years, they did not represent the sharp and definitive break with empire that the world needed to see from the United States.?

If you want to read Michael Moore's entire Op-Ed that appeared a few weeks ago in the New York Times, here is complete text:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/op...erve.html?_r=0



ADG

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Good idea, Hitler!

Lets murder people you disagree with. That's the path to a better future.

If your modus operandi is to run rimshot over the planet, polluting and destroying at will, and then cover your ass by owning and perverting our system of democracy, what should you expect?

[Minte]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

If your modus operandi is to run rimshot over the planet, polluting and destroying at will, and then cover your ass by owning and perverting our system of democracy, what should you expect?

Wtf are you talking about? The state regulatory agencies in WI are some of the toughest in the nation. Nothing has changed since Walker became governor. If you want to build something here you do it properly and to code.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

You make the assumption that progressives (left of what you consider liberal) are happy with Obama, when in fact Obama is assailed by the left wing all of the time for being too much of a middle of the road politician.

Guess you missed the recent book by Oliver Stone, or MSNBC's, and even Michael Moore's scathing criticism of some aspects of the Obama Administration (from leftwing sources):




If you want to read Michael Moore's entire Op-Ed that appeared a few weeks ago in the New York Times, here is complete text:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/op...erve.html?_r=0



ADG

Nothing good comes from the peabrain of Michael Moore. I won't waste time reading his books/articles or watch his movies. He's just a US hating moron who got rich because of capitalism which he claims to despise.

And BTW, you didn't mention Tony286's claim that Obama is center right at best.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Minte

Wtf are you talking about? The state regulatory agencies in WI are some of the toughest in the nation. Nothing has changed since Walker became governor. If you want to build something here you do it properly and to code.

The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific, and most of our politicians.

In other words, pollution, cancer, and an unbalanced government.

I don't understand why people come to the defense of such evil, but carry on...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

If your modus operandi is to run rimshot over the planet, polluting and destroying at will, and then cover your ass by owning and perverting our system of democracy, what should you expect?

I would expect that in a civilized society, people don't support the murder of the subjects of their insane conspiracy theories but rather takes advantage of the legal institutions available to enact change. Any reasonably intelligent person understands that when you cross that line, it can be reasoned that anyone at all needs to go. When you think like you do, YOU become the problem. Every brutal, genocidal dictatorship was brought to life and did its evil, relying on and using the same sociopathic/psychopathic reasoning.

[TheSquealer]

And by the way, in psychology there are very famous studies from the 60s called the Milgram Experiments which have been duplicated probably 1000's of times across all cultures with similar results. They reveal a very simple human truth,... anyone is capable of inflicting serious bodily harm on others. Studies have also shown that a firm line is drawn at killing. All that is required to kill, is to simply dehumanize the target. "they are evil, we are righteous", "They are unjust, we are just". You know.. just like you're doing. All Hitler had to do was create a monster. Create a few evils done by these monsters. Dehumanize them and turn it into a battle against pure evil and suddenly an entire country falls in line to wipe out a race of people.

genocide starts with the simple attitude of people like you.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I would expect that in a civilized society, people don't support the murder of the subjects of their insane conspiracy theories but rather takes advantage of the legal institutions available to enact change. Any reasonably intelligent person understands that when you cross that line, it can be reasoned that anyone at all needs to go. When you think like you do, YOU become the problem. Every brutal, genocidal dictatorship was brought to life and did its evil, relying on and using the same sociopathic/psychopathic reasoning.

If the collective majority interests of a people, would shape the policies of a country, I would agree with you 100%

When special interests own your elected officials instead, then you are just dancing the silly dance, while your owners laugh and laugh.

When do YOU get mad?

What will it take?

Beijing-style air pollution?

West Virginian-style water pollution?

A further reduction in the middle class?

Lower wages?

No more pensions?

No Social Security or Medicare, etc...

When do YOU finally get mad enough?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

If the collective majority interests of a people, would shape the policies of a country, I would agree with you 100%

When special interests own your elected officials instead, then you are just dancing the silly dance, while your owners laugh and laugh.

When do YOU get mad?

What will it take?

Beijing-style air pollution?

West Virginian-style water pollution?

A further reduction in the middle class?

Lower wages?

No more pensions?

No Social Security or Medicare, etc...

When do YOU finally get mad enough?

"mad enough" to murder people I disagree with?

Hopefully never.

I'm not a sociopath or psychopath. But you just do what you feel you need to do... I'm curious to see how far you get with your fertilizer bomb.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

"mad enough" to murder people I disagree with?

Hopefully never.

I'm not a sociopath or psychopath. But you just do what you feel you need to do... I'm curious to see how far you get with your fertilizer bomb.

I haven't threatened to "murder" anyone - and you're the only one discussing "bombs".

You are a special kind of stupid. A more dangerous variety of imbecile than I could ever be.

I hope the mods delete your idiotic post, before anyone mistakes your words for anything real.

Idiot.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I love politicians that prioritize the interests of the Koch brothers, over the interests of the people they are supposed to represent.

This country needs to roll out the fucking guillotines!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4

What fucking tool. There's your hero, Minte. I don't know what's worse...bending over that Koch brother dick, or not knowing it wasn't an actual Koch brother.

The guy is a real hero of the people. This isn't the first time he's been labeled a shit bird.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by bronco67

What fucking tool. There's your hero, Minte. I don't know what's worse...bending over that Koch brother dick, or not knowing it wasn't an actual Koch brother.

The guy is a real hero of the people. This isn't the first time he's been labeled a shit bird.

Ah,,you must mean kind of what Obama is for George Soros.. He's worse than the Koch brothers. He has convinced the fools that he actually cares about their well being.

And in the meantime the debt clock continues to grow under Obama. The debt clock in Wisconsin has stopped and reversed itself. So who is better off.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I haven't threatened to "murder" anyone - and you're the only one discussing "bombs".

You are a special kind of stupid. A more dangerous variety of imbecile than I could ever be.

I hope the mods delete your idiotic post, before anyone mistakes your words for anything real.

Idiot.

Yeah... I'm stupid. lets pretend as if you didn't say we need to "roll out the guillotines" to deal with the people you don't like and then went on to defend and rationalize that remark, particularly after I called attention to the lunacy of the idea of killing people just because you disagree with them. An idea which you both embraced and defended.

As i've said that is the reasoning that was used by every murderous lunatic and the basis of every destructive revolution in history. "those guys are evil" and "those guys must be destroyed at any cost" because "those guys" are the problem"... so you're on the right track to following your thinking through to its only logical conclusion and wearing a suicide vest into an office building.

I hope for the sake of humanity that the mods alert Homeland Security.... before you actually hurt people simply because you've reasoned that they deserve it.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

You make the assumption that progressives (left of what you consider liberal) are happy with Obama, when in fact Obama is assailed by the left wing all of the time for being too much of a middle of the road politician.

Guess you missed the recent book by Oliver Stone, or MSNBC's, and even Michael Moore's scathing criticism of some aspects of the Obama Administration (from leftwing sources):









If you want to read Michael Moore's entire Op-Ed that appeared a few weeks ago in the New York Times, here is complete text:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/op...erve.html?_r=0



ADG

Well said, he is called a liberal because the sheep repeat what the pundits tell them. If you separate the bullshit he says with what he actually does. He is to the right of Nixon.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Minte

Ah,,you must mean kind of what Obama is for George Soros.. He's worse than the Koch brothers. He has convinced the fools that he actually cares about their well being.

And in the meantime the debt clock continues to grow under Obama. The debt clock in Wisconsin has stopped and reversed itself. So who is better off.

Actually you are mistaken.
http://www.azcentral.com/business/co...en-a-drop.html
The debt is dropping like a rock but I will let you go back to your talking point.

[TonyJ]

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I'm flattered you expect more from me... I'm not jumping on the bandwagon at all. Has Walker done anything to address the actual problem? Cutting pensions or restricting collective bargaining doesn't solve anything. Even if it 'works' it only serves to cut income to people who had negotiated for it and worked for it.

When Walker has a plan of what to do long term with millions of people who are no longer needed, let me know. That would be something to have a thread about. The fact that he may have a short term surplus from better than expected tax revenue, borrowing and cutting collective bargaining is hardly a roadmap of the way to move forward. At best it's cost shifting from state pensions people bargained for to federal aid we all pay for... We are years, not decades, from a massive shift in economic viability for most Americans. Cutting collective bargaining doesn't stem that tide.

As I posted in another thread, 85 people now control more wealth than 50 percent of the entire world population. It's not sustainable and a one year surplus in Wisconsin is nothing to hang your hat on.

The problem with righties is, they don't care until it effects them. When it does,then they scream the loudest. And it will eventually effect everyone especially in a consumption based economy.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

The problem with righties is, they don't care until it effects them. When it does,then they scream the loudest. And it will eventually effect everyone especially in a consumption based economy.

Tony, my taxes went up 5% this year. The amount I contribute to the employee healthcare plan went up 6 figures. And that was money that would've funded another across the board raise for the labor force.


And your article that the national debt has dropped I didn't even bother reading. The debt has not dropped. It's increasing every hour of every day. Before Obama leaves office it will be close to $20T.

Anyone who thinks that simply slowing down the pace of borrowing without any idea at how to balance a budget ends up in bankruptcy.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Minte

Tony, my taxes went up 5% this year. The amount I contribute to the employee healthcare plan went up 6 figures. And that was money that would've funded another across the board raise for the labor force.


And your article that the national debt has dropped I didn't even bother reading. The debt has not dropped. It's increasing every hour of every day. Before Obama leaves office it will be close to $20T.

Anyone who thinks that simply slowing down the pace of borrowing without any idea at how to balance a budget ends up in bankruptcy.

Of course you wont read it because its fact not opinion. slowest spending since Eisenhower.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

Of course you wont read it because its fact not opinion. slowest spending since Eisenhower.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/

That's fine Tony, you can wrap a turd in bacon...it's still a turd.

The national debt is increasing daily. It will be close to $20Trillion before obama is out.