Thinking out loud... BEEG.COM infrastructure and monthly expenditure?

[XSAXS]

Let's say I want to build the next Beeg. (Not exactly, but close.)

100% legal sponsor-provided clips.
No user-generated content.
5-12 minute HQ clips.
Light pages with relatively few ad spots.

What is this going to cost me per month in terms of servers, CDN, and bandwidth? I already have a featherweight, custom CMS that will handle the pages. It's just serving up all that video that I'm unsure about.

[DamianJ]

Forty two.

[PornDude]

Build, then share with us.

[The Porn Nerd]

Depends on traffic. And I assume we're not talking advertising costs here (bought traffic, feeder traffic, etc), which would depend on your overall budget.

But you know man, it's all on how much you want to spend. If I wanted to throw 100k at a tube project I'm sure it would gain some traction but to GROW it to Beeg or XHamster (which I know is much larger) status would take a FUCKLOAD more than even 100k (I would think).

In terms of basic operating costs? Again depends on what traffic you get hit with, so.....who knows?

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

Build, then share with us.

Considering my traffic would start at a miniscule fraction of Mr. Beeg's, I suppose it's unnecessary to guess the particulars of his server farm. I'm just trying to piece together some understanding of the requirements to get started -- with say 25,000 uniques a day.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Depends on traffic. And I assume we're not talking advertising costs here (bought traffic, feeder traffic, etc), which would depend on your overall budget.

But you know man, it's all on how much you want to spend. If I wanted to throw 100k at a tube project I'm sure it would gain some traction but to GROW it to Beeg or XHamster (which I know is much larger) status would take a FUCKLOAD more than even 100k (I would think).

In terms of basic operating costs? Again depends on what traffic you get hit with, so.....who knows?

Oops. Missed your post. Yeah. You're nailing it. So let's say we're starting out with 25K uniques a day. Maybe 3000 - 5000 clips in the db.

[sandman!]

i would get a server with a company where you can upgrade your bandwith easily as you need more and start with 100mbps vids will burn thru bandwith quick

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by sandman!

i would get a server with a company where you can upgrade your bandwith easily as you need more and start with 100mbps vids will burn thru bandwith quick

[XSAXS]

My uneducated guesstimate...

25,000 uniques * 500MB each = 12.5TB/day = 375TB/month
375TB delivered through MaxCDN @ $.03/GB = $11,250/Month
Plus: 2TB RAID-10 media box.
Plus: Separate SSD DB box.

$12,000 - $12,500 / month @ 25,000 uniques give or take.

Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

I know there are people on this board who know this stuff WAY better than I do.

[XSAXS]

dup post. sorry.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

My uneducated guesstimate...

25,000 uniques * 500MB each = 12.5TB/day = 375TB/month
375TB delivered through MaxCDN @ $.03/GB = $11,250/Month
Plus: 2TB RAID-10 media box.
Plus: Separate SSD DB box.

$12,000 - $12,500 / month @ 25,000 uniques give or take.

Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

I know there are people on this board who know this stuff WAY better than I do.

I would be SHOCKED if 25k uniques to a tube would cost you 3k a week in bandwidth costs. But let's hear it from someone who actually knows. LOL

[sandman!]

using a cdn is going to cost you a hell of alot more then normal dedicated servers for streaming unless your pushing a shitload of bandwith

with your math of 375tb a month if your useage is semi steady your looking at around 2500mbps billed on 95th billing which you can get for way less then $11250 a month.

an example would be i could provide you with a streaming server with 16 1.5tb hd's a few ssd drives for caching and 2500mbps bandwith for $4000 a month less then half of what your thinking of with your cdn idea.

Originally Posted by XSAXS

My uneducated guesstimate...

25,000 uniques * 500MB each = 12.5TB/day = 375TB/month
375TB delivered through MaxCDN @ $.03/GB = $11,250/Month
Plus: 2TB RAID-10 media box.
Plus: Separate SSD DB box.

$12,000 - $12,500 / month @ 25,000 uniques give or take.

Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

I know there are people on this board who know this stuff WAY better than I do.

[freecartoonporn]

depends on how long is the string.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by sandman!

using a cdn is going to cost you a hell of alot more then normal dedicated servers for streaming unless your pushing a shitload of bandwith

with your math of 375tb a month if your useage is semi steady your looking at around 2500mbps billed on 95th billing which you can get for way less then $11250 a month.

an example would be i could provide you with a streaming server with 16 1.5tb hd's a few ssd drives for caching and 2500mbps bandwith for $4000 a month less then half of what your thinking of with your cdn idea.

Thank you Sandman. Excellent information. I'm still connecting all the dots for this project. But when I'm ready I will be in touch. Still kicking myself for missing your $1 special a while back (for something else entirely).

In the meantime, I'd be appreciative to anyone who can shoot other holes in my plan/logic/math/whatever. In other words, if I'm a fucktard, here's your chance to tell me why.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

In other words, if I'm a fucktard, here's your chance to tell me why.

You are not a fucktard under any circumstances.
I know fucktards and you ain't one of 'em.

[greenleaf]

Are those handful of ads actually enough to cover the bandwidth? This seems like the least advertising-heavy tube I've seen.

[Daveking]

Hi,

After reading your post about building a site similar to beeg i thought i should let you know about my desktop website that i am currently looking to sell. It is similar in functionality to beegs. The website is called pornlegion.com. It has 3 automated bots that pull content directly from Naughty America, Brazzers and Reality Kings affiliate networks and posts it up on my site. It has a full admin panel. I've been running the site for over a year and one of the main reasons that it hasn't seen much growth is because i massively underestimated the amount of money that i needed for the SEO side of things and plus i couldn't negotiate a deal with the affiliate mangers for the longer length clips like beeg has, but maybe you can do better. I am looking for a quick sale and i am open to reasonable offers. Hit me up on ICQ if your interested: 600399550

Thanks

[sandman!]

your 500mb per person might be a little high also.

in the end its a question of your budget as much as anything else when it comes to how you want to launch some people would launch a project like with with 5-10 servers and 10k a month spent from the get go, and some will try to do it with 1 $60 server from the cheapest place possible.

Originally Posted by XSAXS

Thank you Sandman. Excellent information. I'm still connecting all the dots for this project. But when I'm ready I will be in touch. Still kicking myself for missing your $1 special a while back (for something else entirely).

In the meantime, I'd be appreciative to anyone who can shoot other holes in my plan/logic/math/whatever. In other words, if I'm a fucktard, here's your chance to tell me why.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by greenleaf

Are those handful of ads actually enough to cover the bandwidth? This seems like the least advertising-heavy tube I've seen.

I don't know if the ads carry it or not. I assume they do. There's so much that he's doing right with that site... I can't imagine they have their shit together that well and are not making some $$$.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

You are not a fucktard under any circumstances.
I know fucktards and you ain't one of 'em.

Wow. Thanks Mr. Nerd. In return I will go on record saying that you've pulled off a minor miracle with what you've accomplished with your program over the last few years. You have proven (to anyone who will pay attention) that there IS still a little money left for the little guys in this biz.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by Daveking

After reading your post about building a site similar to beeg i thought i should let you know about my desktop website that i am currently looking to sell. It is similar in functionality to beegs. The website is called pornlegion.com. It has 3 automated bots that pull content directly from Naughty America, Brazzers and Reality Kings affiliate networks and posts it up on my site. It has a full admin panel. I've been running the site for over a year and one of the main reasons that it hasn't seen much growth is because i massively underestimated the amount of money that i needed for the SEO side of things and plus i couldn't negotiate a deal with the affiliate mangers for the longer length clips like beeg has, but maybe you can do better. I am looking for a quick sale and i am open to reasonable offers. Hit me up on ICQ if your interested: 600399550

Very interesting DaveKing. I may be interested in your setup. Particularly your download bots. Let me dig a little deeper into what you've got going on there.

In the meantime, can you tell me a little more about your "negotiations" with your affiliate managers? Did they just ignore you? Or give specific reasons for denying the request? I've always assumed that BEEG can get the big videos because he has huge traffic and clean pages (designed specifically to sell the sponsor's site).

But I'm interested to hear what they told you.

[Daveking]

Hi,

The affiliate managers said no to me having the longer clips because i wasn't driving any sales to there sites. My argument was how am i suppose to even compete with the likes of beeg or pornsharing.com when i don't even have the longer length clips that they have. However they were convinced that until i showed them proof that i could drive sales with there preview clips they weren't even going to consider me for the longer videos. The only network that gave me half a chance was Naughty America. They said they would allow me to cut my own 5 minute clips but no pop shots but i still didn't believe that was long enough. For me to have a fighting chance in making any sales and to hold a users attention the videos had to be be at least 7-8 minutes like beegs which they were not willing to do so i just left it at that. I hope this answer your question:-)

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by Daveking

The affiliate managers said no to me having the longer clips because i wasn't driving any sales to there sites. My argument was how am i suppose to even compete with the likes of beeg or pornsharing.com when i don't even have the longer length clips that they have. However they were convinced that until i showed them proof that i could drive sales with there preview clips they weren't even going to consider me for the longer videos. The only network that gave me half a chance was Naughty America. They said they would allow me to cut my own 5 minute clips but no pop shots but i still didn't believe that was long enough. For me to have a fighting chance in making any sales and to hold a users attention the videos had to be be at least 7-8 minutes like beegs which they were not willing to do so i just left it at that. I hope this answer your question:-)

Yep. That sounds about right. I am sorry that's how it worked out for you, but I actually agree with their position. HQ/HD content is expensive to produce, and there's so much piracy going on ... they have to stop the bleeding when and where they can. So it makes sense to demand some signups before showing too much ankle.

I think Beeg was/is an experiment for the sponsors. And if someone else comes along and can do a similarly outstanding job, I think sponsors will support it. But if every tube in the world was like Beeg, then there truly wouldn't be any reason left to join the sites.

[Klen]

In my opinion,a server cost should be last of your concern - seo will be biggest cost as you need to buy shitload of hardlinks.Once you get traffic,then you can start to bother with cost of servers.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

In my opinion,a server cost should be last of your concern - seo will be biggest cost as you need to buy shitload of hardlinks.Once you get traffic,then you can start to bother with cost of servers.

Good thinking. But I actually have other traffic strategies in mind. The SEO will take care of itself.

[wpbulkeditor]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

In my opinion,a server cost should be last of your concern - seo will be biggest cost as you need to buy shitload of hardlinks.Once you get traffic,then you can start to bother with cost of servers.

That wont work at all you know.

[Arnox]

Originally Posted by wpbulkeditor

That wont work at all you know.

Hey, can you add me on Skype please? Need to have a little chat about your plugin.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wpbulkeditor

That wont work at all you know.

If you reffer to buying tons of hardlinks,that do work,and still best method to do seo,despise all those bullshits claims coming from various sources.

[DVTimes]

interesting info.

great stuff.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I would be SHOCKED if 25k uniques to a tube would cost you 3k a week in bandwidth costs. But let's hear it from someone who actually knows. LOL

around 80k/ daily unique here , server and bandwidth cost at around $400 USD per month

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

I think Beeg was/is an experiment for the sponsors. And if someone else comes along and can do a similarly outstanding job, I think sponsors will support it. But if every tube in the world was like Beeg, then there truly wouldn't be any reason left to join the sites.

if that was true it would mean that Beeg doesnt do any sales now - and i think you are mistaken if you think that

[Klen]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if that was true it would mean that Beeg doesnt do any sales now - and i think you are mistaken if you think that

Yep,if you have traffic,you can sell anything,no matter how unattractive it could look.Plus i bet conversions from beeg are much better then on any other regular tube.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

My uneducated guesstimate...

25,000 uniques * 500MB each = 12.5TB/day = 375TB/month
375TB delivered through MaxCDN @ $.03/GB = $11,250/Month
Plus: 2TB RAID-10 media box.
Plus: Separate SSD DB box.

$12,000 - $12,500 / month @ 25,000 uniques give or take.

Where am I wrong? What am I missing?

I know there are people on this board who know this stuff WAY better than I do.

I get asked this question alot. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to know this because:
- We don't know the bitrate of your videos
- We don't know how many you host vs are sponsor hosted
- We don't know how many pageviews per unique user your site will get (2 vs 10 is 5x difference)
- We don't know how much of each movie on average each person views vs how much of it is actually downloaded (They download 3 minute of movie in 10 seconds, and change it after 10 seconds)
- etc etce

That being said, your estimates are way, way off, and to use MaxCDN for this project would be insane.
Regarding bandwidth usage, I would say an *AVERAGE* - and take this with a grain of salt bcause it can swing each way - if you are hosting all the videos yourself then 10k UV is around 70-80mbits if you have relatively productive traffic that watches several videos. Your cost for this site would be closer to $300-600/month depending on the host, and you certainly don't need a separate db server to support 25k UV

[adultmobile]

I know the beeg guy and few others about ther traffic and host expense. The prices they get are way cheaper than the ones of smaller tube guys.
I am not going to tell their data of course, but note: more the total traffic you do, cheaper the traffic unit price. A tube like beeg burns let's say 50gbps and a bigger one like xnxx/xvideos let's say 100gbps (just an example). If you burn few gbps you get a price like $3 per 1mbs ($3k per gbps), if you're a beeg more like $1.5 per 1mbs ($1.5k per gbps), and so on (agin prices are just an example).
So if you do small traffic you pay more the traffic and less likely you can profit. Let's say beeg pays $90,000/mo for 50gbps and xvideos $150,000/mo for 100gbps, xvideos would be more profitable thab beeg just because cheaper host.
A small tube pays more per clip download and so makes less (or no) profit than bigger tubes. Bigger the tube, bigger the profit because less the hosting expense per unit.
This may explain why a few tubes merged.

[The Porn Nerd]

(BTW: Still trying to get ahold of Beeg to be a part of their Content Partner Program so if anyone has contact info.....thanks in advance!)

[BangBrandon]

Originally Posted by Daveking

Hi,

The affiliate managers said no to me having the longer clips because i wasn't driving any sales to there sites. My argument was how am i suppose to even compete with the likes of beeg or pornsharing.com when i don't even have the longer length clips that they have. However they were convinced that until i showed them proof that i could drive sales with there preview clips they weren't even going to consider me for the longer videos. The only network that gave me half a chance was Naughty America. They said they would allow me to cut my own 5 minute clips but no pop shots but i still didn't believe that was long enough. For me to have a fighting chance in making any sales and to hold a users attention the videos had to be be at least 7-8 minutes like beegs which they were not willing to do so i just left it at that. I hope this answer your question:-)

hey dave, i'd let you cut your own 7:00 max clips with no pop shots ;)

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

If you reffer to buying tons of hardlinks,that do work,and still best method to do seo,despise all those bullshits claims coming from various sources.

I'm having a hard time believing this. Google has said countless times that they are watching for spam tactics like purchased links. So it's hard to fathom that in 2014 they haven't figured out how to detect hardlink abusers. Please educate me if I'm fubar on the issue.

around 80k/ daily unique here , server and bandwidth cost at around $400 USD per month

Very nice. But are you serving Beeg-quality videos? He's serving 1280x720 @ 2100kbps and low ads -- Which I'm sure leads to more pageviews than the average tube site. So I'm thinking his 25k could easily use more juice than someone else's 50k.

if that was true it would mean that Beeg doesnt do any sales now - and i think you are mistaken if you think that

Nope. I think he makes dramatically more sales than the average tube, because he's proving that the video quality REALLY IS better when you join a premium site. With traditional tubes, no matter how many times they say "Join to get the Premium HD version," surfers can't SEE the difference.

Plus i bet conversions from beeg are much better then on any other regular tube.

Yep. Agreed.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I get asked this question alot. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to know this because:
- We don't know the bitrate of your videos
- We don't know how many you host vs are sponsor hosted
- We don't know how many pageviews per unique user your site will get (2 vs 10 is 5x difference)
- We don't know how much of each movie on average each person views vs how much of it is actually downloaded (They download 3 minute of movie in 10 seconds, and change it after 10 seconds)
- etc etce

That being said, your estimates are way, way off, and to use MaxCDN for this project would be insane.
Regarding bandwidth usage, I would say an *AVERAGE* - and take this with a grain of salt bcause it can swing each way - if you are hosting all the videos yourself then 10k UV is around 70-80mbits if you have relatively productive traffic that watches several videos. Your cost for this site would be closer to $300-600/month depending on the host, and you certainly don't need a separate db server to support 25k UV

Awesome info. Thank you k0nr4d. I assumed that a CDN would be necessary to help balance the load of serving such big files on such a large scale. But I'm a dunce about such things. It's nice to know that my vision is made more easily attainable by these lower estimates you and Sandman are throwing around.

[Ad-Min]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

(BTW: Still trying to get ahold of Beeg to be a part of their Content Partner Program so if anyone has contact info.....thanks in advance!)

Talk to Rami!

[Daveking]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

Yep. That sounds about right. I am sorry that's how it worked out for you, but I actually agree with their position. HQ/HD content is expensive to produce, and there's so much piracy going on ... they have to stop the bleeding when and where they can. So it makes sense to demand some signups before showing too much ankle.

I think Beeg was/is an experiment for the sponsors. And if someone else comes along and can do a similarly outstanding job, I think sponsors will support it. But if every tube in the world was like Beeg, then there truly wouldn't be any reason left to join the sites.

Are you still interested in the auto bots that i have running on my site or no?

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by Daveking

Are you still interested in the auto bots that i have running on my site or no?

Think I'll pass for now. Good luck with selling your site though. BTW... what were you asking for the whole package? I don't think you mentioned that.

[lakerslive]

Why not just embed videos from xvideos, no hosting cost.? You can make $$$ with embeds from tube sites still.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

I'm having a hard time believing this. Google has said countless times that they are watching for spam tactics like purchased links. So it's hard to fathom that in 2014 they haven't figured out how to detect hardlink abusers. Please educate me if I'm fubar on the issue.

Most of tubes which rank good they still buy hardlinks.Tho it seems some stopped but that could be because they have enough bookmarkers/natural backlinks which appear after some time or they simply buy traffic instead doing seo(many tubes have affiliate program where you can send traffic).And google never punished anyone due hardlink buying till recently where they did algorithm change which caused some tubes to lose 30% of their traffic,but they fixed it by simply dropping bad backlinks.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

Awesome info. Thank you k0nr4d. I assumed that a CDN would be necessary to help balance the load of serving such big files on such a large scale. But I'm a dunce about such things. It's nice to know that my vision is made more easily attainable by these lower estimates you and Sandman are throwing around.

On a larger site you could look into a CDN although there are still much cheaper options. 25k UV/day I wouldn't bother with CDN yet.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

Why not just embed videos from xvideos, no hosting cost.? You can make $$$ with embeds from tube sites still.

Because I would rather poke my eyes out with sharp sticks than watch those shitty, grainy, recycled videos -- and more importantly -- surfers feel the same way.

It seems logical to me that if you want to sell HD porn sites, the preview clips that you show the potential buyer should be fairly high quality.

[Jesse1984]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Forty two.

+1 on this.

[Daveking]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

Think I'll pass for now. Good luck with selling your site though. BTW... what were you asking for the whole package? I don't think you mentioned that.

Hi,

Well if you were only interested in the auto bots then maybe we could work something out or the whole site? Let me know and we can discuss it further?