Do you believe in God or Chaos?

[AJ_NETWORK]

This is the quintessential age-old debate topic, so I'm either posting about it here for a divine reason, or purely for the nihilistic fuck of it.

Do you believe in the great creator? Or did the entire universe just butt fuck itself into existence from a random series of inexplicable events?

Are our actions of good and evil accountable to separate entities? Or are we merely left to our own devices of which inevitably correspond with the thermodynamic law of entropy which states the natural components of our known universe are in favor of disorder (Chaos)?

Is this physical world truly ruled by Satan the prince of darkness? Or do a shadow elite royal network of inbred banking families that hoard over half the world's wealth (they create the money from nothing so they allow themselves to be disgustingly rich) blindly believe they serve this Satan when he doesn't exist?

[edgeprod]

I'm a little old for fairy tales. Atheist here.

[Spunky]

Jesus is lord!

[just a punk]

Chaos rules this World.

[NEW XTC]

If you are trying to get this conversation started, stop being a pussy and tell us what YOU believe...

But you won't find many believers of santa/easterbunny/jesus/gawd or other such ridiculousness here.

[EddyTheDog]

Agnostic and/or Chaos here...

It depends on my mood.....

[Buff]

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Buff

like that

[AJ_NETWORK]

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

If you are trying to get this conversation started, stop being a pussy and tell us what YOU believe...

But you won't find many believers of santa/easterbunny/jesus/gawd or other such ridiculousness here.

Perhaps I asked the question because I myself am undecided. I want to believe in God, but I fear the deep void of nothingness and the probability that when I die there will be no afterlife.

Is life spiritually sacred and eternal? Or must everything that has a beginning have an end?

I'm too unsure to say either way.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Buff

hahah ;-)

[winter_]

it doesn't matter.

[Lykos]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

I'm a little old for fairy tales. Atheist here.

Same here

[lyno]

Although i sympathize with the Pastafari....

li'hee n'ghft vulgtlagln Cthulhu
( He also is kind of "noodly", just a little bit darker ;) )

[2MuchMark]

Chaos, Chaos theory, entropy. This is a proven fact that can be seen everywhere you look. "God" is a fantasy construct used to control and manipulate the weak minded.

Comparing God to Chaos doesn't really make sense. Whats your point?

[klinton]

Originally Posted by **********

Chaos, Chaos theory, entropy. This is a proven fact that can be seen everywhere you look. "God" is a fantasy construct used to control and manipulate the weak minded.

Comparing God to Chaos doesn't really make sense. Whats your point?

[seeandsee]

I believe in God of Chaos

[Gringo1]

Not sure what to believe-- Take it day by day!

[MediaGuy]

God is Chaos.

Chaos is an order in and of itself.

The universe is an entity in and of itself. Parts are mechanical, meant to perform necessary functions. Parts are free to do as they will because they aren't "necessary".

But the lack of functionality doesn't make that part irrelevant or futile - the mechanical part isn't merely self-sustaining, but necessary to make the non-mechanical parts free to evolve, devolve, fly, and create the poetry of the universe, which is what we call spirit, awareness, art, or innovation.

To void God as an antogonist to Chaos is to deny the basic sustenance of human existence and spirituality; to void Chaos as an opposite of God is to deny free will within an undeniable construct absolutely required for its own existence.

:D

[2MuchMark]

[AJ_NETWORK]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

God is Chaos.

Chaos is an order in and of itself.

The universe is an entity in and of itself. Parts are mechanical, meant to perform necessary functions. Parts are free to do as they will because they aren't "necessary".

But the lack of functionality doesn't make that part irrelevant or futile - the mechanical part isn't merely self-sustaining, but necessary to make the non-mechanical parts free to evolve, devolve, fly, and create the poetry of the universe, which is what we call spirit, awareness, art, or innovation.

To void God as an antogonist to Chaos is to deny the basic sustenance of human existence and spirituality; to void Chaos as an opposite of God is to deny free will within an undeniable construct absolutely required for its own existence.

:D

So the natural order of the universe can not be defined as a construct of one or the other, but both God and Chaos are omnipresent in totality.

Is that the gist of what you're saying?

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by AJ_NETWORK

So the natural order of the universe can not be defined as a construct of one or the other, but both God and Chaos are omnipresent in totality.

Is that the gist of what you're saying?

If you want to make "God" and "Chaos" opposites, then yes.

But that's like making food and hunger opposites - not an untenable statement, but mostly a false dichotomy.

In my perspective, though, they cannot be opposites, but either compositional elements of a greater whole or complimentary, if you need to maintain an oppositional structure of "the world".

We're familiar with the Ying/Yang, but not really fluent in its actual nature. Also, from where I stand, this black/white stance is too simplistic; Ying/Yang should really be ying/yang/yeng/yong/yung/whatever in order to encompass a fuller, "complete" understanding or perception of the universe.

The permutations are probably absolute, but on an order that a simple brain can't grasp beyond these simple tenets or symbols...

:D

[AJ_NETWORK]

Man has long been trying to understand his own nature and the nature of the world around him, thus creating schools of psychology and philosophy.

Here's an interesting snippet from the wikipedia page on existentialism:

As Sartre writes in his work Existentialism is a Humanism: "...man first of all exists, encounters himself, surges up in the world—and defines himself afterwards." Of course, the more positive, therapeutic aspect of this is also implied: A person can choose to act in a different way, and to be a good person instead of a cruel person. Here it is also clear that since humans can choose to be either cruel or good, they are, in fact, neither of these things essentially.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by AJ_NETWORK

Man has long been trying to understand his own nature and the nature of the world around him, thus creating schools of psychology and philosophy.

Your point being... ?

Originally Posted by AJ_NETWORK

Here's an interesting snippet from the wikipedia page on existentialism:

As Sartre writes in his work Existentialism is a Humanism: "...man first of all exists, encounters himself, surges up in the world?and defines himself afterwards." Of course, the more positive, therapeutic aspect of this is also implied: A person can choose to act in a different way, and to be a good person instead of a cruel person. Here it is also clear that since humans can choose to be either cruel or good, they are, in fact, neither of these things essentially.

Nope, apparently there's no "default" of "cruel or good" in human nature. I would argue, however, humans choose to survive in whichever environment or culture they're born and raised in, and thus can make a baseline determination of "do unto others" - which to me logically explains the actions of serial killers, rapists and child molesters despite our generally-held cultural values.

But Sartre and many post-existensialist philosophers do, despite themselves or as inadvertent extensions of their own philosophies, basically obviate their own arguments or rather statements exactly because of their standpoints.

:D

[NewNick]

C sig nig.

[AJ_NETWORK]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

If you want to make "God" and "Chaos" opposites, then yes.

But that's like making food and hunger opposites - not an untenable statement, but mostly a false dichotomy.

In my perspective, though, they cannot be opposites, but either compositional elements of a greater whole or complimentary, if you need to maintain an oppositional structure of "the world".

We're familiar with the Ying/Yang, but not really fluent in its actual nature. Also, from where I stand, this black/white stance is too simplistic; Ying/Yang should really be ying/yang/yeng/yong/yung/whatever in order to encompass a fuller, "complete" understanding or perception of the universe.

The permutations are probably absolute, but on an order that a simple brain can't grasp beyond these simple tenets or symbols...

:D

Are you Stephen Hawking's grandson or some shit? All of your assertions validate your inclination to take pictures with your thumb and finger on your chin!

The permutations of most elements of the universe are absolute in that they all decay at some rate (As Tyler Durden so eloquently said, "We are the same decaying organic matter as everything else."), but the permutations of the infinite like the so-called "dark matter" would have to be reversed if it is constantly expanding would it not?

Do you know Quantum Physics? What's all the shit I've heard about this String Theory and Higgs Boson?

[freecartoonporn]

neither one.

[AJ_NETWORK]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

neither one.

I made an animation using your avatar a couple years ago and put it on youtube check it out.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uaiF8twIuTk

[Paully]

Originally Posted by AJ_NETWORK

Perhaps I asked the question because I myself am undecided. I want to believe in God, but I fear the deep void of nothingness and the probability that when I die there will be no afterlife.

Is life spiritually sacred and eternal? Or must everything that has a beginning have an end?

I'm too unsure to say either way.

You weren't scared before you existed and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna give a shit after you die.

I think fear is what pulls lots of folks into the afterlife fantasy. It's irrational and narcissistic. People in power have always use fear to manipulate masses. No surprise the afterlife was one of the first excuses to get people in line.

We all get old and die if we are lucky. The alternative is dieing young and well, you're still fucking dead.

To think we have an all mighty, all powerful creator just means he/she is incredibly cruel, just doesn't give a shit, or never existed in the first place.

[CurrentlySober]

i believe in epass...

[AJ_NETWORK]

Originally Posted by Paully

You weren't scared before you existed and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna give a shit after you die.

I think fear is what pulls lots of folks into the afterlife fantasy. It's irrational and narcissistic. People in power have always use fear to manipulate masses. No surprise the afterlife was one of the first excuses to get people in line.

We all get old and die if we are lucky. The alternative is dieing young and well, you're still fucking dead.

To think we have an all mighty, all powerful creator just means he/she is incredibly cruel, just doesn't give a shit, or never existed in the first place.

Fear is just one of many ways they manipulate us. 9/11 was their fear crescendo. They mentally program us through movies, tv, and music as well as a lying giant collectivized whore of a few main news media networks.

They spread military propaganda through the false premise "be a hero and defend your country." Patriotism has always been the most effective tool to manipulate people to fight not for their country, but for the gigantic faceless corporate interests of their country.

The fact the word "hospital" was seemingly derived from the word "hospitality" is a fucking joke. Healthcare and Big Pharma are criminal organizations as far as I'm concerned. If they really cared about decency and humanity, they could easily run the system the same way almost every fucking thing else is run; off of our fucking tax money. And as for big pharma and the antidepressant racket, I wouldn't doubt they are like the pills from equilibrium to an extent so that we are emotionally numb, docile, complacent zombies.

As for the mass poison distribution I'm not sure about the fluoride percentage in the water, and the actual biological effects of getting too much of it, because Alex Jones is likely capitalizing from fearmongering to sell his fucking water filters. The big issue with practically all of our food is supposedly GMO genetically modified organisms and as for that I could personally not give a fuck if it takes 10 years off my life. I don't know too much about the validity of chemtrails, but I think they got powerful weather manipulation technology in key spots in the middle of the oceans to make hurricanes and tsunamis and shit.

"Give me control of a nations wealth and I care not who makes its laws." This is how they really got us by the balls. All but a couple countries in the world are playing a sick, twisted monopoly game run by one kingpin family that prints as much money as they want out of nothing so they leverage themselves to have half the wealth of the entire fucking planet yet we are perpetually indebted to them with interest.

[brassmonkey]

sure but im not sure why he put us in hell.