lucas131

love to getting fucked?

Relentless

I am glad we agree

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NewNick

+1

I am always amused at the lunacy I read hear.

Then they wonder why the affiliate model is dying.

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lucas131

i am really not getting how someone can be ok if his sales are not counted. that have been proven few times on this board already. are you guys serious? for first april you are a bit late ...

druid66

you missed the point by missing few more words but i'm not surprised, you seems to be the guy who loves to speaks to himself and listen to his voice :D

personally i would love to see more test joints, very entertaining and good for business.

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DamianJ

Where's your aff ID so JT can close your account?

mopek1

I agree with you on a lot Damian but can't on this one.

I would say, "This thread is a representation of how affiliates are seen and treated in 2014 - like worthless garbage."

Lucas is doing a few tests. So f***ing what?

mopek1

Again one more thing I disagree on with you.

Seeing how Ruseful responded to the billing problem, I wouldn't give my AFF ID or anything else that can give my identity away. Too many haters.

mopek1

Lunacy ONLY comes from affiliates right?

Everyone else in this business has their hat on straight and doing everything perfect?

lucas131

what? why the fuck do you care? are you sleeping with jt or what? i told him how to find my account, it cannot be easier. what is your fucking problem, mr troll? lol ...

NewNick

I did not say that.

Did I ?

No - thought not.

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mopek1

You talked about Lunacy and then went right to a point about the affiliate model dying.

What else was anyone supposed to assume?

Magnetron

Did someone say test joints???

Sign me up!

Fat Panda

gfy 2014 = surfers defending programs assfucking affiliates

Matt 26z

Of course you fail to mention the declining paysite sales as well. It wasn't just affiliates that the tube sites harmed.

Your success is an interesting tale of launching tubes of questionable copyright legitimacy, hijacking industry traffic by giving away for free what surfers previously had to pay for, helping to kill affiliate and paysite sales and then opening your own paysites to promote on said tubes.

Ruseful

Yes Matt 26z, I proved that there was still money in launching pay sites. And I also proved that you can do this by promoting your content for free on tubes. This is what I did once we sold YouPorn, started a pay site company. Go figure...

druid66

lol, damn me and my english :D

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DamianJ

What are affiliates bringing to the table that couldn't be done cheaper and better in house?

(Aside from threads like this where a single data point is used to accuse a company of scamming, cheating and ripping people off in a libellous manner?)

Pretend you are a programme owner. Your choice is

a) Recruit some web masters in house and keep 100% of the sales and none of the bullshit drama

b) Have a public programme where 5% of affiliates send 95% of the sales and 95% of the affiliates bitch and moan and demand having their arses wiped and spoon fed whilst sending 20 hits a day and 3 sales a month

That's my point. It's just not worth the hassle.

lucas131

dont steal, no problems, no hassle! what dont you get? are you even affiliate? instead of your pseudo marketing blog, do you send traffic somewhere? do you know where is most traffic and how hard is to get it? do you know that those few joins sending small affiliates dont need to mean join next time, but maybe another lurker on free tubes? oh man, yeah, affiliates are waste of time, thats why the biggest companies are on private invite basis, right? ... oh man, wake up ...

mopek1

That applies to some affiliates. Not all. Some affiliates do have good traffic and many program owners/managers are still happy to have affiliates and are actively looking for them.

Many of us here were waiting for Lucas's data. After his first find, most of us did not jump on Ruseful's back and attack him. Most of us are sitting and waiting patiently and taking it in.
If it was easy that would be great. But program owners are also finding it harder to get traffic since the launch of tubes.
It's still money no matter how much bitching goes on. Problems go the other way too.
Then why don't they close their doors?

They still need/want affiliates.

DamianJ

What do YOU bring to the table that I couldn't get from hiring someone in house.


The point is, and sorry you don't get it, that if it takes a lot of time and resource to provide all the content lazy affiliates want, all the hand holding, the arse wiping, and it generates 2 sales a month, it's not worth it.

I think you'll find more and more will be going invite only and certainly new launches will be invite only. People can just do it cheaper in house, and get none of the shit.

Not ones that libel them after CCBill fail to track one sale. ONE sale.

lucas131

are you ill? or you really knows shit about how billing works ... looks like this has nothing to do with ccbill, but you guru knows better? ... gfy finally smart ass ... first check, ccbill > vendo, fail ... second check, over the weekend, ccbill > ccbill, ok ... third check, today, ccbill > epoch, fail ... even ruc owner said they have been testing something, and that results in bad ccbill linking ... wake the fuck up or gfy!

Matt 26z

Hypothetically speaking, what if you had launched those same paysites 10 years ago? Do you think you would have made more then or more now?

You like to position yourself as a visionary that helps evolve the industry, but the reality is that the industry is making less money under the new model.

You've made it work for you, but the reality is that 98% of your success was launching with the YouPorn.com domain name. It was the funny play on YouTube that went viral. The remaining 2% was having enough balls to harbor unauthorized content and hide behind DMCA (which at that time was something few were willing to do).

Just call a spade a spade and get off the high horse.

signupdamnit

It's really starting to look like we need a forum only for affiliates. It's nice to see there are some real ones still out there.

Anyway I'm putting Relentless on ignore. Enough is enough. Please go on, Lucas. Never mind the distractions.

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DamianJ

Not interested in engaging with you Teencat. If you don't have the wherewithal to speak without using insults and name calling, I'm not interested.

signupdamnit

What about all the other affiliates? You seem to admit that for at least two days affiliates weren't being properly credited. So it seems you have taken money that doesn't belong to you. If you don't return it to the rightful owners doesn't that make you a thief? Shouldn't you be making an announcement and trying to compensate affiliates who have promoted you in good faith?

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lucas131

thats the problem, i have learned english from porn and gfy, thats why half of my vocabulary are rude words ...

Relentless

Have you figured out yet that you are chatting with affiliates? I am an affiliate of many programs. Robert is an affiliate of many programs. OldJeff has been an affiliate of many programs. Also here is a BIG secret, every affiliate program owner is also an affiliate of other programs.

The difference here is not between program owners and program affiliates. The difference is between professionals and hobbyists. I've given a lot of advice in this thread that is great for professional affiliates and terrible for program owners. I am telling you to send your traffic where it earns you the most money, that is not good news for most program owners... it's great news for any affiliate for with a brain.

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mopek1

Nobody works as hard and as well for someone else as they do for themselves. Again, if it was so easy they would all be doing it and closing their affiliate programs.


Then the answer is not to close down the affiliate program and lose sales from the strong ones. The answer is to spend as much time as YOU WISH creating content and tools for the affiliates, and ignore the ones that bitch. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.



People have said that for years. We'll see.



That doesn't even address what I was saying. You are being dramatic with this response and not argumentative.

Ruseful

I wish I had launched my sites 10 years ago, but I guarantee they would not have been the exact same sites. And, I would have been one of the first to join the YP content partner program too. The sites I launched post YP was on the back of the data from YP. Knowing what users want to watch, and how to deliver it. And I don't keep that a secret.

I believe you are doing me an injustice re YP. There were many other factors that drove the success of YP. We did not throttle our bandwidth, when our competitors did, that meant videos did not buffer for our end users. We started buying content very early on (within months of launching), this meant we did not have to rely on end user uploads. We invented the Content Partner Program in early 2007, that is widely used in the industry today, and this enabled us not to allow user uploads (which resulted in us receiving less than 10 DMCA's a month). We developed industry first algorithms such as "we recommend" that enabled us to get our average page views per visit to around 50% more than our nearest competitor. This meant we could serve less ads, and charge more for the ad space we kept. We did not allow intrusive video banners nor did we serve pop unders/overs, Im ads etc etc. This actually increased time on site. We actually cared for our users and provided one of the best end user experiences in the tube market.

A visionary? Yes, I would say that, and if I have not already proved it with YP and now my pay site network, then in the coming months, I most certainly will, with Cloud.xxx and Tube.xxx.

Oh, and our balls were much bigger than 2%.

mopek1

No kidding.

Everyone keeps saying how us affiliates don't matter and how we're dying etc. and then when we get together in a thread they come in like viking invaders trying to throw us all off.

People do that when they feel threatened.

mopek1

I tried to tell him that his response was not professional. He seems more interested in attacking the problem finder than in mending his image.

mopek1

Do you feel that there are enough CONVERTING programs out there to be able to implement that strategy?

OldJeff

OK, no insults, just a serious question.

Of the big programs that are no longer online, how many do you think no longer exist ? (OK this is a trick question, because a lot of them still exist for business people.)

MANY have phased out their programs because trying to keep up with unreasonable affiliate demands was not worth the effort. Close the doors, cater to your top 5-10%, and work with them in a close relationship where everyone profits.

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OMFG!

Relentless

I'm telling you that if there are not enough converting programs out there to implement that strategy, and if creating one is so easy... you or lucas or signupdamnit should build paysites that convert. If you do, I'll gladly send some traffic to them... as long as you pay me more per click than the other sites in your niche.... and so will everyone else.

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Relentless

Mopek1,

Serious question:

What, other than doing the work, prevents you from opening your own paysite?

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Klen

I cant remember any program which went from public to private.

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Penny24Seven

wow this thread has more made up bullshit wannabe clueless trash then I have seen in a long ass time.
This is why I renamed what I was doing and started over with 2 affiliates and still have an amazing two today.
Lazy affiliates with 2004 ways of thinking lol
Good luck with that
If you are going to send your hard earned good quality traffic then get to know who runs the program, Or the affiliate manager which might be the same person.
Work WITH him on making money for both of you. They should be on your team and if you make more money so do they. All this fucking hate and fighting and shit talking is unreal. If I cannot talk to who runs shit and work with them when needed I would not waste my time. Never stop learning even from these guys.
Yeah I know ten years ago you just signed up and it didn't matter what traffic you sent where because you would still make good money and get a bunch of presents at Christmas too LOL

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That should tell you something

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Ruseful

Ok, here you go, and really, why this thread about me shaving is absurd:

We have 23 affiliates promoting us in ccbill, 2 of them being lucas131.

Of those 23, 11 have sent traffic, but only 5 affiliates have sent more than 100 clicks this month (its the 15th today).

For April we've had 12 sales for FH in CCBill. But 8 of those sales were from 1 affiliate, and not Lucas131. So, in effect, 4 sales in FakeHospital between 10 active CCBill affiliates pushing FakeHospital (Lucas131 included) in the last 14 days. 0.28 sales a day.

The issues Lucas131 found happened when we switched FakeHospital to vendo as primary. That was last week, and 2 days later Lucas131 found the issue. It was resolved a couple of days after that. So, that amounts to 0.28 sales a day x 4 days in CCBill for FakeHospital. So potentially 1 sale in those 4 days. But which of the 10 affiliates should I credit?

So, please guys, do what ever you want, think what ever you want to think. And you should all thank Lucas131 for finding a billing issue that was affecting 0.28% of 1 sale a day over a 4 day period and trashing mine and my companies reputation in the process with libellous accusations.

Lucas131, your account has been terminated. Please remove all your links to my sites as I will NOT be crediting you with the 2 sales that you pushed me a month.

All other affiliates, please list your aff id's and I will terminate your accounts too. There were enough vocal people in this list, supporting Lucas131 and his super sleuth investigations on fractions of a full join per day. But as of yet, no one has come forward to list their aff id's.

mopek1

A couple of things.

I don't mind the work although that will be tough since being an affiliate has taken so much of my time already.

1- As an affiliate I've seen ratios go to hell and so have many other webmasters. Not just for one program but across them all. If I opened my own I have little confidence in it's ability to convert.

2- I don't like most content I see so I'd have to create my own. I do have a good idea of what I'd like to do but still worry about # 1. I really liked the content from the program boobzooka.com and did well with it years back. Not so much anymore. He hasn't updated in years and left his sites idle to make what little he can. He said the decline was due to lost affiliates (tubes) and that he couldn't get his stuff off the tubes/torrents fast enough and that surfers were now expecting everything to be free. He had other ideas too but was reluctant to invest because of the probability of theft.

I'd rather move into mainstream before building my own program and am already looking into something as a side business to my being an adult affiliate.

lucas131

what about next time tell affiliates that you will be doing some testing? you can now say whatever you want, but you have been caught stealing traffic, and thats all go, write a book i have ate enough of nice bros explaining words in the past, not eating any more you act like dick with money, so keep it up, with affiliates who still trust you ...

Relentless

Then STFU

If you think someone isn't doing it well, but it is too hard to do it well and you can't imagine doing it better or won't make the effort to do it better... you are not being useful. A professional would either build a successful site, find ways to work with existing sites, or STFU and move on to something that they can do successfully. Instead you are here acting like you are doing something important, when all you are doing is pissing off the few people who are capable of doing exactly what you admit you can't do.

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lucas131

btw, i dont know which account you blocked, but i see my ruc account still works? just took this screen ...



just not sure what happenned around 5th and today, submits dissapears, but of course all is good at your side ... but nevermind, not my problem anymore, i have enough of your excuses and strange working stats ... more results from other programs to come, so if some owner is doing some testing, please let me know in advance, so we dont need to go through this stupid posts anymore ...

bean-aid

This is all very confusing to me. What in the fuck is a vendo?

Obviously you are on the right track... testing the billing. You can keep testing till your face is blue and the hard truth is that god damn biller. If it's a third party, you are corn holed. You can't control it, not the way you need to. And sure, some special *bro* favors of a lighter scrub may happen... but you don't even need it.

signupdamnit

What a coincidence though that Lucas happened to catch it after only two days. You have to admit that looks a little suspicious, right? Put yourself in the affiliate's shoes.

As for terminating Lucas' account as well as that of other affiliates because they want to be actually credited for the sales they refer (you know, what you were supposed to be doing and what was your responsibility all along), will you be pocketing any rebill revenue due to those affiliates from prior joins or will you be honoring your obligations like a honest businessman would?

No, I'm not your affiliate. Just lending support to others.

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lucas131

btw, just for remembering, this are the stats why i wanted to make the testings ...



it was not two sales a month, but six sales in four days, then it was one sale in fourty days, then it was five sales in seven days ... so, two sales dont count, but maybe it is again just your strange working stats ...

lucas131

but im done with ruc, everyone can make his own decission, next sponsor to come soon, stay tuned and thanks for your support everyone!