American Police Are Murderers!

[dave90210]

This video made me sick! These cops smothered an innocent man to death right in front of his wife for no reason

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dd_1393354370

[dyna mo]

There are probably close to 1 million police officers in America. I only see 4-5 in that video.

[Phoenix]

i long ago stopped trying to watch anything on live leak...you would think they would learn how to stream something eventually

[Rochard]

All I saw was four officers handcuffing a man.

Show me the video moments before the arrest, and then we'll talk.

[SilentKnight]

Another vidclip without context.

What happened before and after the video?

Not enough there to form a conclusion either way.

[SuckOnThis]

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There are probably close to 1 million police officers in America. I only see 4-5 in that video.

You don't have to go far to find numerous instances of this sort of police brutality... Fruitvale Station

[_Richard_]

here is an article about it

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...etail=facebook

[Tom_PM]

Can't you guys read man? He was not involved with the disturbance but was not cooperating so they handcuffed him in the manner depicted in the video. They killed him by pressing down on his body until he couldn't breathe. You don't need anymore goddamned context except to justify it to yourselves. It's not hard to see what happened. Read, watch, use brain.

[Marcus Aurelius]

They probably broke his spine.

Fatass ACABs were standing on his neck.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There are probably close to 1 million police officers in America. I only see 4-5 in that video.

The procedure from town to town is pretty much the same.

This video starts after they are arresting him. Supposedly they asked for his ID and he became combative. I'll withhold judgement until the store surveillance footage is released, but the tone of that officers voice towards the end says enough. He knew they screwed up.

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.

People just need to mind their own business instead of calling the cops.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

wow!

The judge does not even say a word about it? Later files a report, after realising there were cameras ? ? ?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Charged with false imprisonment, assault.

He slipped on the floor. Looks to me like the nice police officer was helping to steady him.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

You don't have to go far to find numerous instances of this sort of police brutality... Fruitvale Station

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The procedure from town to town is pretty much the same.

This video starts after they are arresting him. Supposedly they asked for his ID and he became combative. I'll withhold judgement until the store surveillance footage is released, but the tone of that officers voice towards the end says enough. He knew they screwed up.

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.

People just need to mind their own business instead of calling the cops.

Of course you don't have to go far to find police brutality, it exists and always has. Power corrupts. It's easier than ever to find now with youtube and camera phones, not to mention people don't go out of their way to film the good cops. Nevertheless, statistically speaking most of the 1 million cops in America and all the millions of others across the globe do their shift without killing someone.


I don't hold cops to a higher standard simply because they took and oath and wear a uniform. They are human beings, nothing more.

[crockett]

We don't have American Police, we have State Police, City Police and Country Sheriffs.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.

I don't know about similiar legislation in the U.S. - but here in Canada under the Good Samaritan Act anyone trained and certified in First Aid (i.e. St. Johns first aid certification) cannot be held liable when administering first aid.

I'd assume most (if not all) cops are trained in first aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_samaritan_law

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.
.

Completely false. In fact, police officers are certified first responders.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Of course you don't have to go far to find police brutality, it exists and always has. Power corrupts. It's easier than ever to find now with youtube and camera phones, not to mention people don't go out of their way to film the good cops. Nevertheless, statistically speaking most of the 1 million cops in America and all the millions of others across the globe do their shift without killing someone.


I don't hold cops to a higher standard simply because they took and oath and wear a uniform. They are human beings, nothing more.

I tend to disagree with this, Police should and absolutely need to be held to a higher standard than the general public.

They are there to protect and serve the public, not kill because they are incompetent.

I also think that in circumstances like this, the police should be imprisoned for killing a man. Even if he did resist arrest, there is absolutely no reason for them to kill him.

A certain level of professionalism should be expected of them, after all, they have an extremely important job to do!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

I tend to disagree with this, Police should and absolutely need to be held to a higher standard than the general public.

They are there to protect and serve the public, not kill because they are incompetent.

I also think that in circumstances like this, the police should be imprisoned for killing a man. Even if he did resist arrest, there is absolutely no reason for them to kill him.

A certain level of professionalism should be expected of them, after all, they have an extremely important job to do!

I want to agree with you, but in my experience people can't meet a higher standard, especially entire groups of people.

It's not realistic to hold human beings to a higher standard than humans are capable of. If this higher standard was realistic, then it wouldn't be a higher standard, it would simply be a standard and we would all be at that level, pending disabilities.

[Tom_PM]

I would like to read where you guys have read that he was "combative" or "resisting arrest" because all that I read said he was uncooperative by not producing his ID when asked, so they handcuffed him. (as seen in the video)

EDIT: OK I see in an article that he tried to go around the officers and they reacted, and then he took what was described by a witness as a defensive stance. Sure, why not put 1000lbs of cop on his back. Fuck just shoot him. This has always happened. It's only because people have cameras now that we see it. 190% legit.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I want to agree with you, but in my experience people can't meet a higher standard, especially entire groups of people.

It's not realistic to hold human beings to a higher standard than humans are capable of. If this higher standard was realistic, then it wouldn't be a higher standard, it would simply be a standard and we would all be at that level, pending disabilities.

I appreciate what you are saying, however at the same time, how much of a high standard are we setting with a goal of *don't kill the person who you just handcuffed* ?

The problem for me is, those who do the job are usually not the brightest sparks.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

I appreciate what you are saying, however at the same time, how much of a high standard are we setting with a goal of *don't kill the person who you just handcuffed* ?

The problem for me is, those who do the job are usually not the brightest sparks.

They usually are not the brightest, from my understanding as well. And I agree, this person should not have died. period. Even under the vague descriptions of the event, nobody should die because they tried to go around the cops, took a defensive stance, etc.

And police brutality makes me sick. I hope these cops get investigated and prosecuted properly, just like all the others I've seen and read about that brutalize. I'm not trying to sympathize with them or justify their brutality, but a police force is neccessary and by consequence, this shit is going to happen.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Can't you guys read man? He was not involved with the disturbance but was not cooperating so they handcuffed him in the manner depicted in the video. They killed him by pressing down on his body until he couldn't breathe. You don't need anymore goddamned context except to justify it to yourselves. It's not hard to see what happened. Read, watch, use brain.

Well, you said it all right there. He was "not cooperating".

Police roll into a "domestic" and when get on the scene and start asking question, they have someone who is "not cooperating". It doesn't matter if he was part of the disturbance, a witness, or someone who just happened by - He was on the scene and a potential suspect, and when police tried to question him he failed to cooperate. At that point police believed he was a suspect and that he was involved, and decided to detain him until the situation was figured out. He resisted.

At that point, he did in fact break the law - resisting arrest.

[Jel]

^ lololol

[L-Pink]

Obviously the victim never watched cops.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Well, you said it all right there. He was "not cooperating".

Police roll into a "domestic" and when get on the scene and start asking question, they have someone who is "not cooperating". It doesn't matter if he was part of the disturbance, a witness, or someone who just happened by - He was on the scene and a potential suspect, and when police tried to question him he failed to cooperate. At that point police believed he was a suspect and that he was involved, and decided to detain him until the situation was figured out. He resisted.

At that point, he did in fact break the law - resisting arrest.

Shhhh!

You're not supposed to mention details.

Just base an opinion on a vidclip out-of-context.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Well, you said it all right there. He was "not cooperating".

Police roll into a "domestic" and when get on the scene and start asking question, they have someone who is "not cooperating". It doesn't matter if he was part of the disturbance, a witness, or someone who just happened by - He was on the scene and a potential suspect, and when police tried to question him he failed to cooperate. At that point police believed he was a suspect and that he was involved, and decided to detain him until the situation was figured out. He resisted.

At that point, he did in fact break the law - resisting arrest.

American citizens are not required to cooperate with the police by answering questions or providing explanations. There is no evidence in this video that this guy resisted being detained nor any evidence that he was under arrest at any point. That's just speculation. It's just as likely that these officers grabbed him up to bully and intimidate him for the non-crime of "contempt of cop" and in the process killed the poor bastard.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I want to agree with you, but in my experience people can't meet a higher standard, especially entire groups of people.

It's not realistic to hold human beings to a higher standard than humans are capable of. If this higher standard was realistic, then it wouldn't be a higher standard, it would simply be a standard and we would all be at that level, pending disabilities.

While I agree that you can't hold humans to a higher standard the humans are capable of, you can be diligent in finding a person with the right temperament and mentality to do a specific job. You would never hire a guy who says he hates the outdoors and physical activity to be construction worker. The same goes for cops. I am friends with and happen to know a lot of cops and 95% of them are good people who do their job well and actually do have other people's well being and safety in mind even when they are dealing with mopes that they have arrested a dozen times. However, there are some that the power corrupts and there are others that overreact. In many cases the overreaction comes from fear and a lack of training.

What makes it all worse is that once you become a cop, it is hard to get fired. One of my friends has outright told his superiors that there are two officers in his department that he will not work with because they can't be trusted. If things go bad they react badly to them. Several people in the department have said the same about these two. The department's reaction? Put those two together. So instead of getting them more training, putting them in a different job or just firing them, they teamed up two scared, incompetent cops. That is recipe for disaster.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

American citizens are not required to cooperate with the police by answering questions or providing explanations. There is no evidence in this video that this guy resisted being detained nor any evidence that he was under arrest at any point. That's just speculation. It's just as likely that these officers grabbed him up to bully and intimidate him for the non-crime of "contempt of cop" and in the process killed the poor bastard.

They were there on a domestic, right? Someone must go to jail by law in some states.

[dave90210]

Another cop video taped murdering a pedestrian again in America! The pussy cop got punched in the face so he decided instead of using his taser or pepper spray he figured killing the man was necessary http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0d_1393385886

[just a punk]

And those guys are whining about police brutality in Ukraine

[dave90210]

Yes they are on the Ukraine web sites

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

And those guys are whining about police brutality in Ukraine

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Yes they are on the Ukraine web sites

Yeah Ukrainian, like those ones:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1134085
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1134163
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1133855

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by baddog

They were there on a domestic, right? Someone must go to jail by law in some states.

Well, they obviously fucked that up, sent someone to the morgue rather than jail...

[xpimp]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Another cop video taped murdering a pedestrian again in America! The pussy cop got punched in the face so he decided instead of using his taser or pepper spray he figured killing the man was necessary http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0d_1393385886

The pedestrian has started to kick the cop, of course the other should haven't shot him, he should had intervened to hold him but anyway, his colleague was being attacked so, during this situation, he had the right to fire.

Guys, i know that you don't like their cop behavior but let me tell you something, in my country police is to gentle with law offenders and everyone profits of this situation by fighting with them, disrespecting them and so on.

And guess what, the people accuses the police that they are being to gentle to anyone who breaks the law and everybody feels unsafe and they don't have any respect to the police, nor the law offenders and nor the good average joe.

Anyway, my point is that people will always be unhappy about this situation, if they are to gentle, they will be disrespected, if the are to tough, they will be hated.

That's how the things will always be and that's how the human nature functions.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Can't you guys read man? He was not involved with the disturbance but was not cooperating so they handcuffed him in the manner depicted in the video. They killed him by pressing down on his body until he couldn't breathe. You don't need anymore goddamned context except to justify it to yourselves. It's not hard to see what happened. Read, watch, use brain.

And you got all this info from the article? From a Reporters story? Remember they call it a story for a reason. Sensation makes it sell.

Add this in, Leave that out and and opps lets change the wording so it SOUNDS like...

[seeandsee]

A.c.a.b !!!

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The procedure from town to town is pretty much the same.

This video starts after they are arresting him. Supposedly they asked for his ID and he became combative. I'll withhold judgement until the store surveillance footage is released, but the tone of that officers voice towards the end says enough. He knew they screwed up.

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.

People just need to mind their own business instead of calling the cops.

ahh so is that what happened? they called the cops for something small and they just killed him? wow thats just terrible.

I'm shocked this hasn't happened to me there yet, or ever. I go all the time, I must just be lucky then right? Town to town? we should all hide under our beds from these horrible demons.

[bronco67]

Police have a tough job, but they obviously overdo it sometimes. And a fair percentage of them are assholes who forget that WE are their boss and pay their salaries.

I think what Kane said is most dead on --- that fearful people who become cops are the biggest problem. It's a man's job, and any man (or woman) who is a scared of the world should not choose policework as their profession.

The one cop I do know personally is a good guy who has a great track record.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

American citizens are not required to cooperate with the police by answering questions or providing explanations. There is no evidence in this video that this guy resisted being detained nor any evidence that he was under arrest at any point. That's just speculation. It's just as likely that these officers grabbed him up to bully and intimidate him for the non-crime of "contempt of cop" and in the process killed the poor bastard.

You are right. You are not required to cooperate with police. However, if police show up and investigate a crime and you refuse to cooperate, you become a suspect, and at that point yes they can detain you in handcuffs.

There is no evidence in the video he resisted arrest in any shape or form, but we only saw a portion of what happened. Pepper spray was used and we didn't see that either.

He refused to cooperate, they detained him as a potential suspect, and he resisted, and when you resist you are going down.

[Tom_PM]

The reason why this story pisses me off so much is the simple fact that in America, if you do not instantly comply with a command from police to produce an ID, you can die at their hands and the chief will say, as he has already in this case, that no unreasonable force was used.

So legit.

[SmutHammer]

I wish I had some of the things recorded from when I was younger.

At 16 years old, I broke into a rim shop, and the police showed up. After they caught and had my hands cuffed behind my back in the back of a police car, I was pulled out and beaten (cuffs still on) by 6+ cops using flashlights etc. They claimed I was not cooperating... then I was roughed up again at the police station. When my mom came she insisted I talked to them and told them what they wanted to know. I said "Fuck you, I'm suing" They laughed and told me where to file reports, My mom actually took their side even though she could see my face bleeding...

That being said. I have also met many good police officers. There are good cops and bad cops everywhere. I was a punk trouble maker kid, and probably was just being taught a much needed lesson...

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You are right. You are not required to cooperate with police. However, if police show up and investigate a crime and you refuse to cooperate, you become a suspect, and at that point yes they can detain you in handcuffs.

There is no evidence in the video he resisted arrest in any shape or form, but we only saw a portion of what happened. Pepper spray was used and we didn't see that either.

He refused to cooperate, they detained him as a potential suspect, and he resisted, and when you resist you are going down.

Again, you're just speculating. We don't see that in this video at least. According to what I just read on CNN he wasn't even involved in the disturbance between his wife and daughter. Maybe the cops just showed up, assumed he was involved because he was the only male standing nearby and proceeded to twist his arm behind his back forcefully as they are wont to do and then tripped him to the ground when he tried to keep them from breaking his arm.

[atom]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Also note that police officers in the US are not allowed to do anything medically. It's an insurance liability. So they just let him sit there not breathing. Even if his wife knew CPR she wouldn't have been allowed to administer it. They aren't going to even check for a pulse until the EMS arrives to do that.

This is not true. My son stopped breathing when he was 3 and the first people on the scene were the police. They had oxygen, first aid and a defibrillator. They were able to get him going and stabilized until the EMT's got there.....

[_Richard_]

why is this such a big deal?

tip of the iceberg

[kane]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Again, you're just speculating. We don't see that in this video at least. According to what I just read on CNN he wasn't even involved in the disturbance between his wife and daughter. Maybe the cops just showed up, assumed he was involved because he was the only male standing nearby and proceeded to twist his arm behind his back forcefully as they are wont to do and then tripped him to the ground when he tried to keep them from breaking his arm.

While I think what happened here is a tragedy, one thing you need to understand is that most of the time the dispatch calls to the police are pretty vague. The call can simply say domestic dispute. My cop buddy has responded to that generic call many times and found everything from a guy holding his wife at gunpoint to a woman who was pissed at her teenage daughter for not cleaning her room and she wanted the police to make her clean her room.

So they show up at the scene most of the time with no idea who is involved and exactly what is going on. They are also lied to every day. Most domestics involve a woman and a man so it is fair for them to assume that it is he and the woman involved in this and that he might not be telling them the truth.

This doesn't mean that they have the right to kill him, but the police are in a situation where they often don't know what they are getting into when they roll up onto the scene so they have to expect the worst. If this guy resisted them they don't know if he is going to pull out a knife or a gun or if he just pissed off that they don't believe him.

[NEW XTC]

Originally Posted by kane

While I think what happened here is a tragedy, one thing you need to understand is that most of the time the dispatch calls to the police are pretty vague. The call can simply say domestic dispute. My cop buddy has responded to that generic call many times and found everything from a guy holding his wife at gunpoint to a woman who was pissed at her teenage daughter for not cleaning her room and she wanted the police to make her clean her room.

So they show up at the scene most of the time with no idea who is involved and exactly what is going on. They are also lied to every day. Most domestics involve a woman and a man so it is fair for them to assume that it is he and the woman involved in this and that he might not be telling them the truth.

This doesn't mean that they have the right to kill him, but the police are in a situation where they often don't know what they are getting into when they roll up onto the scene so they have to expect the worst. If this guy resisted them they don't know if he is going to pull out a knife or a gun or if he just pissed off that they don't believe him.

You really going to defend those cops who committed murder?

Too many devils advocated here - I hope they all do jail time - disgusting abuse shown in that video.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Again, you're just speculating. We don't see that in this video at least. According to what I just read on CNN he wasn't even involved in the disturbance between his wife and daughter. Maybe the cops just showed up, assumed he was involved because he was the only male standing nearby and proceeded to twist his arm behind his back forcefully as they are wont to do and then tripped him to the ground when he tried to keep them from breaking his arm.

Correct.

It does't matter if he was involved in the disturbance or not. Police rolled into a domestic, found him on the scene, and police started to question him. He was "uncooperative" - Either he was evasive, refused to answer questions at the scene of a crime, or tried to leave...

No matter how this played out, the bottom line is the police responded to a crime and questioned suspects. He was a suspect if only because he was there. There is no law saying you have to answer questions, but police can surely detain you until they believe you are not a suspect.

This person died because he refused to cooperate, plain and simple.

[kane]

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

You really going to defend those cops who committed murder?

Too many devils advocated here - I hope they all do jail time - disgusting abuse shown in that video.

As I said, this guy didn't deserve to die. My understanding is that they tried to talk to him and her refused so they tried to handcuff him and he resisted. I also understand he was pepper sprayed and then shortly after that the video starts and we see the cops on top of him.

We don't see them beating him up or choking him. We see them holding him down and handcuffing him. Did all four of them need to jump on him? I don't know. I wasn't there. I didn't see what happened before the video started rolling.

It is a tragedy what happened to this guy, but as I said before, the police have no idea if he is involved or not, if he is armed or not, and what his intentions are. If you refuse to talk to them then resist them they assume the worst.

There should be an investigation into this. I will wait to say whether or not they should go to jail until I hear all of the evidence. Supposedly there is security cam footage of the entire event. I would love to see that so we can see exactly how this started.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This person died because he refused to cooperate, plain and simple.

Not true.