if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor

[Vendzilla]

if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor

That was a promise made by our leader and chief of propaganda, President Obama.

But according to
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/bu...ml?hpw&rref=us

In the midst of all the turmoil in health care these days, one thing is becoming clear: No matter what kind of health plan consumers choose, they will find fewer doctors and hospitals in their network ? or pay much more for the privilege of going to any provider they want.

?We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has,? said Marcus Merz, the chief executive of PreferredOne, an insurer in Golden Valley, Minn., that is owned by two health systems and a physician group. ?We?re all trying to break away from this fixation on open access and broad networks.?

That means, you like your doctor? TOUGH!

The New York Times has always be a champion of Obamacare as far as I know, so this is saying something

[slapass]

Beat a dead horse much? This has been known for a long time. Not to mention it was an issue under the old system. 80% don't care or like their doctor. The other 20% might or might not be effected.

[C H R I S]

Really ......


I heard there is controversy about Washington's wooden tooth - investigation needed.

[crockett]

[dyna mo]

Wouldn't it be the NYtimes beating the dead horse? the article is dated 2 days ago.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Wouldn't it be the NYtimes beating the dead horse? the article is dated 2 days ago.

It's the NYtimes job to report the news.. Vendillza is just a sig whore..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's the NYtimes job to report the news.. Vendillza is just a sig whore..

hah, I'm putting the over/under on this thread at 3 pages. !

[Vendzilla]

Why does this asshole cone into my threads and continually call me names when he knows I have him on ignore?

Just another admirer I guess.

This isn't beating a dead horse, this is the New York Times coming out with this, until now, only right leaning news sources came out with this.

But even the left leaning news sources can't ignore forever what a clusterfuck Obamacare is and the lies that were given as promises to get it passed.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by slapass

Beat a dead horse much? This has been known for a long time. Not to mention it was an issue under the old system. 80% don't care or like their doctor. The other 20% might or might not be effected.

Where did you find this? What's your source?

I love my doctor, have always been lucky when it comes to doctors and if I didn't like my doctor, I would find a new one. Under Obamacare, the choices are smaller. That's not what we were promised.

[2MuchMark]

What do you have against black horses?

[crockett]

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

What do you have against black horses?

The last horse I owned was black, plus I had a black pony for my kid too, what are you trying to say, or is your mouth full of horse cock?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by slapass

Beat a dead horse much? This has been known for a long time. Not to mention it was an issue under the old system. 80% don't care or like their doctor. The other 20% might or might not be effected.

Just thinking about this, if your numbers are true and I highly doubt it, then why did Obama promise we could keep our Doctors if we liked them?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor

That was a promise made by our leader and chief of propaganda, President Obama.

But according to
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/bu...ml?hpw&rref=us

In the midst of all the turmoil in health care these days, one thing is becoming clear: No matter what kind of health plan consumers choose, they will find fewer doctors and hospitals in their network ? or pay much more for the privilege of going to any provider they want.

?We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has,? said Marcus Merz, the chief executive of PreferredOne, an insurer in Golden Valley, Minn., that is owned by two health systems and a physician group. ?We?re all trying to break away from this fixation on open access and broad networks.?

That means, you like your doctor? TOUGH!

The New York Times has always be a champion of Obamacare as far as I know, so this is saying something

buddy of mine with a biz use to pay 100% of employee heath ins... now his cost have gone up $250 a year, now paying only 80% of health care for the employees

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

buddy of mine with a biz use to pay 100% of employee heath ins... now his cost have gone up $250 a year, now paying only 80% of health care for the employees

My Girl has been working for the same company for 23 years, they have always paid 100% of her medical insurance with no deductibles.

2014 she started paying for her insurance and now has to pay deductibles.

My best friend is self employed, his insurance was cancelled and his new insurance is almost double for him and his daughter.

Fucking great way to get economic growth in the country, make everyone pay more.

[signupdamnit]

Another "bitch about Obama" thread?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Another "bitch about Obama" thread?

It's a hobby, Annoying idiots!!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's the NYtimes job to report the news.. Vendillza is just a sig whore..

That would be too perfect in your sig.

[Rochard]

Keep beating a dead horse. We needed a national healthcare plan, we deployed Romneycare at the national level, and son of a bitch, it's working.

The Republican has set itself up for a huge fail here. If Obamacare does well, the Republicans will look like idiots. If Obamacare fails everyone will just say "Well, why didn't Congress do something to fix this?". Who is in charge of Congress right now? Surprise, surprise, surprise...



Meanwhile, what's the approval rating of Congress? The lowest ever in our lifetimes?

But why stop there. Let's bitch and rant about the spin the White House put on a terrorist attack. Never mind the fact that we do not discuss ongoing intelligence matters in public. Let's not try to figure out how this was allowed to happen, why Congress didn't fund better security, let's not try to fix the problem... Let's not try to prevent it from happening again, let's just bitch about what the press release said after the fact.

Let's just keep bitching about shit. Let's bitch about the economy some more. Unemployment is down, but let's complain about the system and change the numbers to make it look three times higher. No need to mention the the stock market is at an all time high since the crash, that individual wealth is up, the value of our houses are up, and new housing is up too. But let's continue bitching.

Keep bitching. That's all you can do at this point.

[clickhappy]

The past 6 months I had recurring tenderness and blood and couldnt afford insurance. Thanks to Obamacare I was able to get insurance for about 1/3rd the cost insurance companies charge, went to a doctor and then to a specialist, got tests, got 2 medicines and its all cleared up now. All within a month.

The urologist was concerned that it could be bladder cancer. Got the final test yesterday, the cystoscope. Man that hurt like fuck, but confirmed I was fine.

If it wasn't for obamacare my problem would have grown and grown and years down the road into a very big problem. But instead I was able to get checked out at an affordable cost.

Thank you Obama!
Republitards do NOTHING but complain and get us into fucking stupid wars.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Keep beating a dead horse. We needed a national healthcare plan, we deployed Romneycare at the national level, and son of a bitch, it's working.

Not the way it was promised

The Republican has set itself up for a huge fail here. If Obamacare does well, the Republicans will look like idiots. If Obamacare fails everyone will just say "Well, why didn't Congress do something to fix this?". Who is in charge of Congress right now? Surprise, surprise, surprise...

Present Congress didn't pass Obamacare

Meanwhile, what's the approval rating of Congress? The lowest ever in our lifetimes?

What's the approval rating of the president? Same as Bush around this time?

But why stop there. Let's bitch and rant about the spin the White House put on a terrorist attack. Never mind the fact that we do not discuss ongoing intelligence matters in public.

The present administration discussed it, they had to, it was in the news and they lied about it because Obama was up for re election
Not discussing it and lying are too different things

Let's not try to figure out how this was allowed to happen, why Congress didn't fund better security, let's not try to fix the problem... Let's not try to prevent it from happening again, let's just bitch about what the press release said after the fact.

It has already been determined and accepted that funding was not the problem. Just because Diane Feinstein said it, doesn't make it true. You have already been shown this and ignored it as usual

Let's just keep bitching about shit. Let's bitch about the economy some more. Unemployment is down, but let's complain about the system and change the numbers to make it look three times higher. No need to mention the the stock market is at an all time high since the crash, that individual wealth is up, the value of our houses are up, and new housing is up too. .

Why do you have to go over the same shit all the time when you are proved to have your head up your ass every time?
Median wages are down, because people are being forced to take lower paying jobs, that's why the unemployment numbers are down, if you want to celebrate that, your a fucking asshole!
The stock market is being propped up by the fed printing up 85 billion dollars a month, basic economics, that's bad for the strength of the US dollar.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

Thanks to Obamacare I was able to get insurance for about 1/3rd the cost insurance companies charge,

So you are subsidized? What about everyone that doesn't get government help? Did you forget about them?

[SmutHammer]

I told everybody this last year. And everyone thought I was lying..

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This message is hidden because Vendzilla is on your ignore list.

Keep complaining.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Keep complaining.

I know you just hate it when I can answer your idiot responses with facts I can back up, if you don't like it, stay the fuck out of my threads and quit crying like a little bitch with pictures!

[clickhappy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are subsidized? What about everyone that doesn't get government help? Did you forget about them?

Now I know you're trolling because you're grasping at everything you can to keep your thread going.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That means, you like your doctor? TOUGH!

huh? if I like my doctor tough?

btw when I chose my PCP doctor there were tons to choose from. All within 5 miles from me. The urologist was about 20 minute drive, but oh well I chose one who had the best ratings and he was absolutely excellent. 41 years experience.

btw both times I went to the urologist I was in and out within 25 minutes, including check-in, urine sample, scope up my bladder (ow), results, cleaning up, paying and walking out.
No wait at all. I mean 0 other people in the waiting room, I only sat down for 30 seconds before they called me in. It was really amazing. I thought it would be hours but it was lightning fast.

And this is in Texas, the place that hates Obama lol.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I told everybody this last year. And everyone thought I was lying..

Yeah, that's why I posted this, even the New York Times confirms it now!

[tony286]

So you wanted the President to run the insurance companies? Send marines to the corp headquarters of united health care?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

Now I know you're trolling because you're grasping at everything you can to keep your thread going.



huh? if I like my doctor tough?

btw when I chose my PCP doctor there were tons to choose from. All within 5 miles from me. The urologist was about 20 minute drive, but oh well I chose one who had the best ratings and he was absolutely excellent. 41 years experience.

btw both times I went to the urologist I was in and out within 25 minutes, including check-in, urine sample, scope up my bladder (ow), results, cleaning up, paying and walking out.
No wait at all. I mean 0 other people in the waiting room, I only sat down for 30 seconds before they called me in. It was really amazing. I thought it would be hours but it was lightning fast.

And this is in Texas, the place that hates Obama lol.

So you are government subsidized? LOL

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

So you wanted the President to run the insurance companies? Send marines to the corp headquarters of united health care?

I want the president to stop lying to the American people, I know you bitched and whined about Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction, even though it was the CIA that told him they were there.

So you want to start where?

[Vendzilla]

I love the analogy that I'm beating a dead horse coming from the liberals here that are still blaming Bush for the bad economy or ignoring that we have a bad economy.

And I love that the liberals are trying so desperately to change the subject to one they think they can win, but they can't.

So here it is, did Obama promise if we liked our doctor we could keep him?

The answer is simple, YES

Is that a lie

Simple answer, YES

So anyone want to debate that?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I want the president to stop lying to the American people, I know you bitched and whined about Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction, even though it was the CIA that told him they were there.

So you want to start where?

They did lie and they outed Joe Wilsons wife when he said it was bullshit. You know that but this center right president has to be boogey man for you. Healthcare will be the biggest problem facing this nation because of the fucked up system we have. Love him or hate he had the balls to do something. And it was a conservative act, not medicare for all but giving the insurance industry a big fucking gift (in case you dont know that's big business)Personal responsibility everyone has to pay.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I love the analogy that I'm beating a dead horse coming from the liberals here that are still blaming Bush for the bad economy or ignoring that we have a bad economy.

And I love that the liberals are trying so desperately to change the subject to one they think they can win, but they can't.

So here it is, did Obama promise if we liked our doctor we could keep him?

The answer is simple, YES

Is that a lie

Simple answer, YES

So anyone want to debate that?

actually in reality you have no horse in this race and should sit this debate out.

[TampaToker]

The title of the tread is misleading don't you think? The insurance company's are making moves on there own since there is much more competition now on the market and they are making less profit. The larger the insurance carriers market is the larger there over head cost is.

[clickhappy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are government subsidized? LOL

what LOL?
Lets see
Company 1 wants me to pay $350 a MONTH for insurance

Company 2 wants me to pay $100 a month for the exact same service? No extra benefits at all.

If you want to give you rmoney to wealthy CEO's salaries be my guest.
Wheres your answer to help people?
Republitards have no answers, only complaints

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are government subsidized? LOL

Says the unemployed guy who gets his health care through the VA.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

They did lie and they outed Joe Wilsons wife when he said it was bullshit. You know that but this center right president has to be boogey man for you. Healthcare will be the biggest problem facing this nation because of the fucked up system we have. Love him or hate he had the balls to do something. And it was a conservative act, not medicare for all but giving the insurance industry a big fucking gift (in case you dont know that's big business)Personal responsibility everyone has to pay.

So we agree that it's not in the best interest of the folks as Barry likes to say, it's about big business and Obama's Balls! Fuck the folks! <Sarcasm>

Originally Posted by tony286

actually in reality you have no horse in this race and should sit this debate out.

Why do you say that? People and business spending more money on healthcare is bad for the economy, in a bad economy, business suffers. When Business suffers, they hire less or move over seas. Everyone has a horse in this, it's the reason the economy is fucked.

Originally Posted by TampaToker

The title of the tread is misleading don't you think? The insurance company's are making moves on there own since there is much more competition now on the market and they are making less profit. The larger the insurance carriers market is the larger there over head cost is.

No, I think it's spot on, the president made promises, one he couldn't keep. People believed him so they supported this piece of shit law that has generated 20,000 pages of new regulations. The assholes that signed this into law should have known this was going to happen, but as Pelosi said, we will read it AFTER we sign it into law!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Says the unemployed guy who gets his health care through the VA.

So not only is Vendzilla sucking on the government tit, he's complaining about it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by clickhappy

what LOL?
Lets see
Company 1 wants me to pay $350 a MONTH for insurance

Company 2 wants me to pay $100 a month for the exact same service? No extra benefits at all.

If you want to give you rmoney to wealthy CEO's salaries be my guest.
Wheres your answer to help people?
Republitards have no answers, only complaints

What a fucking idiot

Republican-controlled 66th Congress passes the 19th Amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote

Republicans pushed the 15th amendment, you do know that Lincoln was a Republican, the first one as a president

Jesus, do you really believe the rest of that shit? What, did you grow up watching Barney and never went to class?

You're a fucking idiot and still haven't answered the question

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So not only is Vendzilla sucking on the government tit, he's complaining about it.

Fuck off shit for brains, I have a job, I'm starting a new affiliate program that's going to be promoting a new Hillary Clinton super pac among other things, if you ever read any of my post, you would know that.

Fucking morons trying to change the subject when they can't fucking win, laughable

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Keep beating a dead horse. We needed a national healthcare plan, we deployed Romneycare at the national level, and son of a bitch, it's working.

The Republican has set itself up for a huge fail here. If Obamacare does well, the Republicans will look like idiots. If Obamacare fails everyone will just say "Well, why didn't Congress do something to fix this?". Who is in charge of Congress right now? Surprise, surprise, surprise...



Meanwhile, what's the approval rating of Congress? The lowest ever in our lifetimes?

But why stop there. Let's bitch and rant about the spin the White House put on a terrorist attack. Never mind the fact that we do not discuss ongoing intelligence matters in public. Let's not try to figure out how this was allowed to happen, why Congress didn't fund better security, let's not try to fix the problem... Let's not try to prevent it from happening again, let's just bitch about what the press release said after the fact.

Let's just keep bitching about shit. Let's bitch about the economy some more. Unemployment is down, but let's complain about the system and change the numbers to make it look three times higher. No need to mention the the stock market is at an all time high since the crash, that individual wealth is up, the value of our houses are up, and new housing is up too. But let's continue bitching.

Keep bitching. That's all you can do at this point.

Yes we need national health Care, not Coverage!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yes we need national health Care, not Coverage!

That's the problem, these idiots don't know the difference.

[baddog]

goodgirl still hasn't found a place that accepts her new coverage.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by baddog

goodgirl still hasn't found a place that accepts her new coverage.

Sorry to hear that. They are making the choices so small that in places like LA you have to travel a long ways to get medical attention. Thus saving on medical expenses because a lot of people just won't go.

[potter]

The snippet you quoted states people can keep the same doctor and go to any doctor they want, it will just cost them more to go out of network.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by potter

The snippet you quoted states people can keep the same doctor and go to any doctor they want, it will just cost them more to go out of network.

The quote implies that nothing will change, as in if you like your insurance, you can keep it, if you like your doctor you can keep you doctor.

Implying that nothing will change for those that already had insurance was a huge lie to keep people behind the legislation.

Even the unions are starting to complain about the new law.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...amacare-Report

The 300,000-member union that was the first to endorse then-Senator Barack Obama has released a devastating Obamacare report that says Obama's controversial healthcare program will slash worker wages by up to $5 an hour, reduce worker hours, and exacerbate income inequality.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

goodgirl still hasn't found a place that accepts her new coverage.

Then get a plan that is more accepted.

[Cherry7]

Why should people choose their doctors? On what basis?

Are they qualified to make any informed judgement?

And the irrational desires of patients are to make organising health care more difficult and expensive for everyone.

Do you choose your train drivers? Bus driver?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Do you choose your train drivers? Bus driver?

if they were slicing me open with a scalpel or prescribing meds that can kill me, you bet I would handpick my bus driver.