Russia and China sign gas contract worth half trillion dollars

[evy97]

Bye-bye cheap russian gas

Special thanks to clueless US foreign policy and dumb lazy Ukrainians. Slovakians hope it will be a very very very long and cold winter in Ukraine.

[Paul_Matthews]

Actually, the gas contract had no pricing attached, and as such just carries on in the same vein as these talks have been going...which has been for the last 10 years!

So yes, a bilateral agreement was signed...but they failed to agree on a deal.

[H-Tom]

Originally Posted by evy97

Bye-bye cheap russian gas

Special thanks to clueless US foreign policy and dumb lazy Ukrainians. Slovakians hope it will be a very very very long and cold winter in Ukraine.

You are already paying a lot!

[evy97]

Originally Posted by Paul_Matthews

Actually, the gas contract had no pricing attached, and as such just carries on in the same vein as these talks have been going...which has been for the last 10 years!

So yes, a bilateral agreement was signed...but they failed to agree on a deal.

DONE deal - 30yrs , 38BCM/year -> http://rt.com/business/160068-china-russia-gas-deal/

Originally Posted by H-Tom

You are already paying a lot!

It will be much more expensive. EU needs Russian gas but Russia no longer needs Europe as a customer after 2018

[seeandsee]

330 billions? Nice contract, and one big FUCK OFF to fucking stupid europe! I will burn woods next winter, but fuck ya its back to nature style

[Phoenix]

I think it is time to kiss big oil goodbye.

Just need 10 years of hard science and innovation. Tidal..geo thermal, even solar. Then electric cars can take over.

[RummyBoy]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-of-talks.html

The chinese were in the front seat on negotiations but no doubt its this spying issue that enouraged the Chinese to push something through. Awful timing.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-xi-talks.html

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think it is time to kiss big oil goodbye.

Just need 10 years of hard science and innovation. Tidal..geo thermal, even solar. Then electric cars can take over.

Natural gas is used mostly for heating homes, not powering cars.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

Slovakians hope it will be a very very very long and cold winter in Ukraine.

why, so they and the violence can illegally migrate to your country with weapons?

you're not thinking things through.

[Dmcontent]

anyone using gas is a moron and retarded psychopath should seek help immediately.

You guys need to start thinking green.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

anyone using gas is a moron and retarded psychopath should seek help immediately.

You guys need to start thinking green .

that's the stupidest fucking gfy comment I've read in a while.

[_Richard_]

dollars? lol we wish

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's the stupidest fucking gfy comment I've read in a while.

I'd say stupidest comment I've read anywhere in a while. It has to be a troll.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's the stupidest fucking gfy comment I've read in a while.

why? You guys are paying for gas while there are plenty of alternatives , cheaper ones. start being smart

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

why? You guys are paying for gas while there are plenty of alternatives , cheaper ones. start being smart

I'm not paying for gas.

you talk out of your ass, make assumptions and tell others to start being smart?

you're on a roll.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

I'd say stupidest comment I've read anywhere in a while. It has to be a troll.

Being from Canada you should be smarter then that, you still use gas or oil for your house heating?

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm not paying for gas.

you talk out of your ass, make assumptions and tell others to start being smart?

you're on a roll.

So you are smart why are you bitching about, by the way i was referring to Europe leaders not gfy´s

http://rt.com/news/160464-ukraine-gazprom-europe-putin/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

So you are smart why are you bitching about

i'm not the one calling everyone who uses gas and/or oil retarded psychopathic morons, that would be you.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

Being from Canada you should be smarter then that, you still use gas or oil for your house heating?

I am willing to guess that you are in no position to judge how smart I am.

"smarter then that". Seriously?

And of course I still use gas for my home heating. Just like 99% of the rest of urban Canadians. What the hell do you think I use? Pixie dust?

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not the one calling everyone who uses gas and/or oil retarded psychopathic morons, that would be you.

check my previous post.. don't get confused.

[Tom_PM]

Probably makes good sense for them to. Was US foreign policy really a big factor in it?

[dyna mo]

these politicized go green gfy peeps crack me up. To think that by acting elite, pointing your finger at those you think are less than, calling them a few names will get them to go green?

think about how backwards that is. If you want people to NOT go green, ever, keep it up.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

check my previous post.. don't get confused.

if you don't want to confuse people, then don't write confusing posts. sort out your own thoughts prior to burping them out for the rest of us to try and sort out.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

I am willing to guess that you are in no position to judge how smart I am.

"smarter then that". Seriously?

And of course I still use gas for my home heating. Just like 99% of the rest of urban Canadians. What the hell do you think I use? Pixie dust?

Search for photovoltaic shingles, if you live in an apartment then forget about it.

[evy97]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-of-talks.html

The chinese were in the front seat on negotiations but no doubt its this spying issue that enouraged the Chinese to push something through. Awful timing.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-xi-talks.html

American foreign policy

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why, so they and the violence can illegally migrate to your country with weapons?

you're not thinking things through.

Nah, Western-Ukrainians will go to Poland. They have something in common -> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrh...uro-2012_sport

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

anyone using gas is a moron and retarded psychopath should seek help immediately.

You guys need to start thinking green.

Why US fracking companies are licking their lips over Ukraine -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ine?CMP=twt_gu

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by evy97

Why US fracking companies are licking their lips over Ukraine -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ine?CMP=twt_gu

Money talks

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

anyone using gas is a moron and retarded psychopath should seek help immediately.

You guys need to start thinking green.

Where can I get the solar hookup you are obviously using to power your computer

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

Nah, Western-Ukrainians will go to Poland. They have something in common

I wasn't making that up.

?There is a phenomenon which I would like to point out very seriously. There are a lot of illegal migrants in Ukraine.We can talk about thousands, who would be interested in crossing the Schengen border,? PM Fico said Friday at the GLOBSEC annual conference in the country?s capital.

"And we are getting more and more concerned that various groups organizing illegal crossing of the Slovak-Ukrainian border increasingly show their readiness to go into armed conflicts," he added.

In February, Jozef Danko, spokesman for the Slovak village of Vysne Nemecke on the border with Ukraine, told The Voice of Russia radio that the inflow of vehicles from Ukraine increased, the cars coming not only from the nearest locations bordering the village, but also from other parts of Ukraine."

Originally Posted by evy97

Why US fracking companies are licking their lips over Ukraine -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ine?CMP=twt_gu

that fracking article is the 2nd stupid fucking thing in this thread. It's a mishmash of shit the author dreamed up, with a smattering of bullshit trumpeted as fact.

this thread's a goldmine of ridiculous! classic gfy.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Where can I get the solar hookup you are obviously using to power your computer

hey man, literally from the roof. solar shingles

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that fracking article is the 2nd stupid fucking thing in this thread. It's a mishmash of shit the author dreamed up, with a smattering of bullshit trumpeted as fact.

this thread's a goldmine of ridiculous! classic gfy.

what, exactly, do you believe the author dreamed up?

I notice they were able to organize facts behind their wild mishmash

are you able to organize some yourself?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Dmcontent

Search for photovoltaic shingles, if you live in an apartment then forget about it.

That's bullshit.

For starters, in Ontario, I am not allowed to directly consume electricity generated by solar panels. I would have to sell it back into the grid.

Plus the unsubsidized cost of installing a solar roof is prohibitive and will not result in any savings over the life of the product.

Then there are performance issues. The doesn't always shine.

The whole FIT program in Ontario is one of the worst government boondoggles in the history of humanity. It is nothing but a huge subsidy program for the guilty feeling sheeple who believe all of the doom-and-gloom warm-monger and green bullshit.

In the end I would still be heating my house with natural gas so what the hell is the point?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what, exactly, do you believe the author dreamed up?

I notice they were able to organize facts behind their wild mishmash

are you able to organize some yourself?

you can read any of my posts in this thread and enjoy my well organized and thoughtfully written comments.

But to your question, I'll help you out since you missed it

1. from the article-

For this ploy to work, it's important not to look too closely at details. Like the fact that much of the gas probably won't make it to Europe

(she states right there she's dreaming up her diatribe)

selling a temporary glut of fracked gas on the world market,

(there is no temporary glut of fracked gas, that's completely made up.)

And most of all, it's important not to notice that building the infrastructure necessary to export gas on this scale would take many years in permitting and construction ? a single LNG terminal can carry a $7bn price tag, must be fed by a massive, interlocking web of pipelines and compressor stations, and requires its own power plant just to generate energy sufficient to liquefy the gas through super-cooling. By the time these massive industrial projects are up and running, Germany and Russia may well be fast friends.

(I hope I don't need to explain this to you, _RIchard_)

conclusion: the article is fantasy. it's a what-if based on made up details.

Finally, the author, naomi klein is a career anti-global capitalist making her living from writing books criticizing global capitalism, her agenda is very clear.

[_Richard_]

ok lol.

8char

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

ok lol.

8char

you should be saying "thanks" to me. I addressed your pointed comment about my being able to form some factual comments. I took the time to do that for you,


you're welcome.

[EonBlue]

Here's something that should make the anti-fracking crowd at least a little uncomfortable:

Hollywood celebrities caught on hidden camera accepting money from "Middle Eastern oil interests"



It should but it probably won't.

[Dmcontent]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

That's bullshit.

For starters, in Ontario, I am not allowed to directly consume electricity generated by solar panels. I would have to sell it back into the grid.

Plus the unsubsidized cost of installing a solar roof is prohibitive and will not result in any savings over the life of the product.

Then there are performance issues. The doesn't always shine.

The whole FIT program in Ontario is one of the worst government boondoggles in the history of humanity. It is nothing but a huge subsidy program for the guilty feeling sheeple who believe all of the doom-and-gloom warm-monger and green bullshit.

In the end I would still be heating my house with natural gas so what the hell is the point?

You are 100% right about the micro fit program is pure nonsense.


Regarding prices they really came down a lot since 2010 and the income I get from selling the power is always more then my electric consumption so it pays back even if i don't like to the way it works with micro fit.

A few years ago I had to replace the entire roof and estimates for normal asphalt shingles were in the 17K ballpark and solar shingles 30k. so i opted for solar shingles so basically i only paid 13k for it.

We changed heating from gas to electricity and apart from December, January and February the power out is always more then power in.

Now in Algarve different story , paid 12 000 euros for it , Portuguese government gave 30% back and i keep what i need and sell only what i don't need.

Keep safe

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Natural gas is used mostly for heating homes, not powering cars.

IN Europe many cars are using LPG, but most important is that industry is using it. With price up, final products will be more expensive.

Russians are not idiots, they won't raise prices for EU, they just showed them where they can be listening to USA and that they have alternative to EU bullshit.

[Vendzilla]

LOL, think green

My Harley gets 40 mpg, about the same as most Hybrids and it's a lot cooler and more fun to ride and I get to ride it in the diamond lane!!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should be saying "thanks" to me. I addressed your pointed comment about my being able to form some factual comments. I took the time to do that for you,


you're welcome.

took the time?

'(she states right there she's dreaming up her diatribe)'

thank you for stating how you dreamed up yours.

[SekobA]

Huge contratc ..what might affect on the prices.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

took the time?

'(she states right there she's dreaming up her diatribe)'

thank you for stating how you dreamed up yours.

again, you challenged my view and asked me to reply, I did. You can either appreciate and respect that I took the time to answer you or you can take it as an opportunity to be a dick. either way is fine with me. nevertheless, I'm pointing out you asked for something and I delivered, you're welcome.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, you challenged my view and asked me to reply, I did. You can either appreciate and respect that I took the time to answer you or you can take it as an opportunity to be a dick. either way is fine with me. nevertheless, I'm pointing out you asked for something and I delivered, you're welcome.

do you believe a request for clarification is a challenge?

i notice your response didn't clarify anything

so you wish for me to say thank you because you deigned to respond to my request for clarification? without actually clarifying anything?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, think green

My Harley gets 40 mpg, about the same as most Hybrids and it's a lot cooler and more fun to ride and I get to ride it in the diamond lane!!

dont try to disguise the fact that the only reason you ride on a motorcycle is that you don't fit in cars.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

do you believe a request for clarification is a challenge?

i notice your response didn't clarify anything

so you wish for me to say thank you because you deigned to respond to my request for clarification? without actually clarifying anything?

no, I'm saying you're opportunistic gfyer who simply looks for opportunities to try and gotcha others for absolutely no fucking reason.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, I'm saying you're opportunistic gfyer who simply looks for opportunities to try and gotcha others for absolutely no fucking reason.

is that what you feel i try to do? perhaps i was merely trying to find some form of.. substance.. to your empty statements regarding rather established and respected writers.

is there another part of my character you wish to attack, in what seems to be a desperate attempt to move the conversation away from your seemingly lack of willingness to actually clarify your statements?

i mean, proverbially stamping your foot isn't actually clarifying anything

nor is attacking me going to change that.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

is that what you feel i try to do? perhaps i was merely trying to find some form of.. substance.. to your empty statements regarding rather established and respected writers.

is there another part of my character you wish to attack, in what seems to be a desperate attempt to move the conversation away from your seemingly lack of willingness to actually clarify your statements?

i mean, proverbially stamping your foot isn't actually clarifying anything

nor is attacking me going to change that.

I haven't attacked you. Quite the contrary. I respectfully answered your loaded question and factually pointed out your opportunistic posting style.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I haven't attacked you. Quite the contrary. I respectfully answered your loaded question and factually pointed out your opportunistic posting style.

dear sir!

Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, I'm saying you're opportunistic gfyer who simply looks for opportunities to try and gotcha others for absolutely no fucking reason.

you are.. politely attempting to convey your opinion on what you believe i am doing.. as way of showing me the errors of my ways?

i just wrote that, and even i cannot believe the level of euphemistic bullshit it involves.

[qwe]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think it is time to kiss big oil goodbye.

Just need 10 years of hard science and innovation. Tidal..geo thermal, even solar. Then electric cars can take over.

right and what will exon, chevron, shell, bp, etc do? they will never let that happen, government officials are on their pay roll... funny how in europe/usa they want to come up with alternative energy and hurt Russia, but they don't realize a lot of countries in the west make a ton of money from oil/gas... let's take Canada, their whole economy is based on oil/gas, that idiot Harper needs to stfu

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

is that what you feel i try to do? perhaps i was merely trying to find some form of.. substance.. to your empty statements regarding rather established and respected writers.

is there another part of my character you wish to attack, in what seems to be a desperate attempt to move the conversation away from your seemingly lack of willingness to actually clarify your statements?

i mean, proverbially stamping your foot isn't actually clarifying anything

nor is attacking me going to change that.

the funniest part of this is you obviously didn't even read the entire article, if you had, you'd see it's a weak attempt to show some nefarious plot to sell NG so the author could advance her agenda that it's wrong to sell NG due to methane and it distracts from her wish to switch to alternative fuels.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

dear sir!



you are.. politely attempting to convey your opinion on what you believe i am doing.. as way of showing me the errors of my ways?

i just wrote that, and even i cannot believe the level of euphemistic bullshit it involves.

you called me out, _RIchard_. Not the other way around. I posted my comment on the article, you had an issue with my doing that and made a prissy comment. I've handled that respectfully and articulately.