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dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 09:48 AM

50 trillion dollar project.

Jel · 05-24-2014, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

most stupidest.

btw, either way is correct

it is? I got called on that some time ago, looked it up, and sure enough it wasn't a word... they let that one in now? (too lazy to look lol)

crockett · 05-24-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yeah because the big lobbyists are the ones with the technologies to make things efficient and affordable...

The ones with the technologies to make these things, usually don't get their feet off the ground to make them efficient and affordable, because their products get shot down before they can make headway.

Look at Elon Musk as one of the rare few that has both the ingenuity and the money backing him to overcome what big oil and power industry can do. Even still Telsa has a very hard road where several states have actually made it illegal for him to sell his cars there. Texas is one of them, I think NC was another.

Now look at all his money and it's still a struggle to push forward against big oil, big auto with a proven concept that works. Now think of some small time company trying to do the same. It doesn't happen..

go back and look at the history of the "tucker" car.. otr the guy that invented the windshield wiper, big business keeping the under dogs down by using the govt is nothing new..

TheSquealer · 05-24-2014, 09:58 AM

Always nice to see people not allowing some painfully obvious mathematical realities get in the way of a feel good pipe dream.

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

it is? I got called on that some time ago, looked it up, and sure enough it wasn't a word... they let that one in now? (too lazy to look lol)

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (4th ed.), for example, gives the forms as “stupid” … “stupider” … “stupidest.”

And this isn’t a peculiar Americanism. H. W. Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage also gives the correct forms as “stupid” … “stupider” … “stupidest.”

Fowler hints, though, at what might account for ... avoiding “est” in favor of “most” to form the superlative:

“Neglect or violation of established usage with comparatives & superlatives sometimes betrays ignorance, but more often reveals the repellent assumption that the writer is superior to conventions binding on the common herd.”

1828: Thomas Carlyle, in a letter, refers to “the simplest and stupidest man of his day.”

1842: Samuel Lover, in Handy Andy: A Tale of Irish Life (1842), writes, “She felt the pique which every pretty woman experiences who fancies her favours disregarded, and thought Andy the stupidest lout she ever came across.”

1871: Charles Gibbon, in the novel For Lack of Gold, writes, “This cursed frenzy makes me say and think the stupidest things.”

Just for the heck of it, I searched online in “The Proceedings of the Old Bailey, 1674-1913,” and found the word used in testimony in a theft case tried in May 1785. A prosecutor is quoted as saying, “I should be the stupidest man living, having property, to leave my house so unsafe.”

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/20...stupidest.html

Jel · 05-24-2014, 10:17 AM

fuck, where were you a year ago with this info? :D

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Even still Telsa has a very hard road where several states have actually made it illegal for him to sell his cars there. Texas is one of them, I think NC was another.

Just to clarify-

the franchise laws already in place in those states is the issue, those laws were already in place before elon musk was born.

And it's Tesla's choice, they choose to not sell their cars the way the laws are established, via dealer showrooms, otherwise they would not have the issue.

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

fuck, where were you a year ago with this info? :D

The interesting thing is it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary or M-W

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...id?q=stupidest

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

You very well may be right.

edit-

Sorry, I needed to expand a drop down of adjectives, stupidest is in the Oxford

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...id?q=stupidest

Barry-xlovecam · 05-24-2014, 11:03 AM

Let's make the assumption that this can work in the real world for a moment -- big if ...

If the US Government funded this at a critical mass level, say $3 Trillion Dollars over 10 years -- would the ROI from the replacement of fossil fuels with solar be in the black? And then how many years to recapture the investment?

If a project like this could be a net gain in 20 years by all means do it.

More than likely it will take 10 or 20 years to sort out the details. Fuck the fossil fuel producers and the current energy suppliers -- adapt or die! We need to get back control of our energy costs for prosperity to return.

just a punk · 05-24-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Solar freeways and roads... This will be the future. This is so freaking awesome!

Looks very cool, but unfortunately, this won't help to those animals that jump from the off-road. E.g. Kengooroo. The first step the made on the road is just in front of your car.

SilentKnight · 05-24-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Let's make the assumption that this can work in the real world for a moment -- big if ...

If the US Government funded this at a critical mass level, say $3 Trillion Dollars over 10 years -- would the ROI from the replacement of fossil fuels with solar be in the black? And then how many years to recapture the investment?

If a project like this could be a net gain in 20 years by all means do it.

More than likely it will take 10 or 20 years to sort out the details. Fuck the fossil fuel producers and the current energy suppliers -- adapt or die! We need to get back control of our energy costs for prosperity to return.

The U.S. Federal Debt is about $17,690,680,484,000.

Who's gonna hold another pink slip for $3 trillion? How much of this hi-tech roadway is $3 trillion gonna build? A few highways? The streets around the Capital building in Washington?

Seems like an awesome concept. Sounds extremely unfeasible given the cost and the existing debtload to the nation (and that goes for us here in Canada, too).

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The U.S. Federal Debt is about $17,690,680,484,000.

Who's gonna hold another pink slip for $3 trillion? How much of this hi-tech roadway is $3 trillion gonna build? A few highways? The streets around the Capital building in Washington?

Seems like an awesome concept. Sounds extremely unfeasible given the cost and the existing debtload to the nation (and that goes for us here in Canada, too).

What makes it even more unfeasible is that solar is entirely inefficient as an energy producer. It converts at best 16% of the Sun's energy and that's on a good day and I say good DAY intentionally. ~12 hours of the day under ideal conditions it converts 16%, the remaining 50% of the day it sits idle. Not working. Now expand that year long, ~6 months of the year is cloudy, winter conditions 1/2 the year, so 1/2 the year and 1/2 the day you'll get a 16% effecient energy plant.

and my $50 trillion dollar comment above wasn't sarcastic, that's the LOW estimate to convert the nation's highways and biways to solar.

I'm not directing this at you, SK, just quoting your comment for a sounding board

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Zeiss · 05-24-2014, 12:50 PM

Good idea in general but it won't happen...

SilentKnight · 05-24-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

and my $50 trillion dollar comment above wasn't sarcastic, that's the LOW estimate to convert the nation's highways and biways to solar.

I'm not directing this at you, SK, just quoting your comment for a sounding board

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(nodding)

Hell, even $50 trillion would be a major lowball estimate, as you say.

Cost aside, we all know how Mother Nature likes to defeat the best of man's innovations. They can test it in extreme climates all they like - but I wouldn't wager the stuff would actually perform anywhere near the durability they claim for it in our winters.

Our city switched from mercury vapor to digital LED streetlighting about two years ago - and they STILL haven't got it functioning as promised. We still get a large number of lights flashing like a disco strobe all over town. Great for inducing epileptic seizures. And the technology for streetlights would be comparatively simple to roadways made of solar panels.

Something about the best laid plans...of mice and men.

mineistaken · 05-24-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is something I do not understand - why it's so expensive. You are talking about panels on a roof; They can't be that expensive to build. Add in a few pipes, some batteries, and a system to control it... And it shouldn't cost all that much.

Well you should start up solar company if you know how to manufacture them cheaper than every other company. And become a billionaire

mineistaken · 05-24-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead

Fucking Brilliant Idea! Why would we not support this, it only makes perfect cents ;) This one is a no brainer, and needs to be tried out in a much larger scale, much larger..I love the idea

Thanks for the link...

At first let's make regular solar energy "profitable"...

TheSquealer · 05-24-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

At first let's make regular solar energy "profitable"...

If you are liberal, you don't have to worry about financial realities when all you have to do is take the money from others, then blame those very people along the way, for the failed ideas.

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 02:19 PM

i guess no one appreciated the humor in my *pie in the sky* post............

get it- pie in the sky, solar energy, it's a homonym ,.......the tasty slice of pie represents the su......n/m.

scubadiver626 · 05-24-2014, 02:24 PM

Best we have ere in utaw is dem radar guns on solar and sum flashing road signs. Woot, welcome to the future!

TheSquealer · 05-24-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i guess no one appreciated the humor in my *pie in the sky* post............

get it- pie in the sky, solar energy, it's a homonym ,.......the tasty slice of pie represents the su......n/m.

Pie.... cakes evil cousin.

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Pie.... cakes evil cousin.

It's a trap!

Barry-xlovecam · 05-24-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The U.S. Federal Debt is about $17,690,680,484,000.

Who's gonna hold another pink slip for $3 trillion? How much of this hi-tech roadway is $3 trillion gonna build? A few highways? The streets around the Capital building in Washington?

Seems like an awesome concept. Sounds extremely unfeasible given the cost and the existing debtload to the nation (and that goes for us here in Canada, too).

A good share of the US debt was added after the '74 "oil crisis" embargo and is directly related on one way or another to fossil fuel policy. The dollar then in 1974 is worth about $0.21. So, it will be worth $0.15 in another 10 years regardless. But at least there might be a fighting chance if we change the fossil fuel dependence of the economy.

The debt is a red herring argument as there is no way to repay it the way we are going anyway. Who is going to agree to a 20% VAT tax to repay that debt

Like I said if this solar development will work in the real world ... Big if ... It's worth a few billion to prove it right or wrong -- the DOE has enough faith to fund research into is -- I say give it a chance. We need some disruptive change in the current economy because it is going nowhere really.

Nice_Nick · 05-24-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

#1. Someone needs to be educated on how long to make a YouTube video that people will watch all the way through.

I watched it through..

2MuchMark · 05-24-2014, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

What makes it even more unfeasible is that solar is entirely inefficient as an energy producer. It converts at best 16% of the Sun's energy and that's on a good day and I say good DAY intentionally. ~12 hours of the day under ideal conditions it converts 16%, the remaining 50% of the day it sits idle. Not working. Now expand that year long, ~6 months of the year is cloudy, winter conditions 1/2 the year, so 1/2 the year and 1/2 the day you'll get a 16% effecient energy plant.

and my $50 trillion dollar comment above wasn't sarcastic, that's the LOW estimate to convert the nation's highways and biways to solar.

I'm not directing this at you, SK, just quoting your comment for a sounding board

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You left out a couple of things, Dyna.

Solar cell effeciency used to be about 2%, and were very expensive. Today, commercially available & affordable ones are at 16%, with high end ones passed 40%. The point is, Solar technology, is getting better and cheaper.

Next, your calculations are wrong and you started with wrong data. The solar cells they use are 18% efficient, not 16% efficient (2 points make a big difference on a large scale). There are 4 hours of peak daylight hours per day (4 x 365 = 1460 hours per year) as their site says. Their site goes on to say this:

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Sunpower offers a 230 Watt solar panel rated at 18.5% efficiency. Its surface area is 13.4 square feet. If we covered the entire 31,250.86 square miles of impervious surfaces with solar collection panels, we'd get:

((31,250.86 mi²) x (5280 ft / mi)²) / (13.4ft²/230W) =
((31,250.86 mi²) x (27,878,400 ft² / mi²)) / (13.4ft²/230W) =
(871,223,975,424 ft²) / (13.4ft²/230W) = 14,953,844,354,292 Watts or over 14.95 Billion Kilowatts

If we average only 4 hours of peak daylight hours (1460 hours per year), this gives us: 14.95 Billion Kilowatts x 1460 hours = 21,827 Billion Kilowatt-hours of electricity.

Now I'm fairly sure that getting that much coverage is impossible, however, it would make sense to me to cover at least some roads and highways with this product. Right now, roads are wasted as far as energy creation or conversion goes. If this can be done in a way that is cheap, reliable and safe, why not? Don't forget that if this works, it MAKES money. People like you and me who are not engineers discounting the idea is the wrong thing to do. If everything sounds good, why not test it out?

We desperately need to find alternative, clean, renewable sources of energy. We need it for the sake of our lives and future generations, and all of life itself. Coal and Oil are the worst possible places to get energy from, and we're smarter as a species to continue to suck the tit of big oil.

cam_girls · 05-24-2014, 07:17 PM

Solar is hard work to get going! been living off solar for 3 years...

15 big 1m panels... barely powers a small fridge and laptop... huge losses everywhere in the equation!

but yeh... inevitable to go this way... Solar is GREAT I suburbs where everyone has a rooftop... in CITIES will use the free space on the road for sure! with a lot of vehilcle restrictions... e.g. 80km/hour electric cars..

TheSquealer · 05-24-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

If this can be done in a way that is cheap, reliable and safe, why not? Don't forget that if this works, it MAKES money.

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Isn't that a moot point? It can't be done cheaply and efficiently which is why it is not done to begin with. That shouldn't need explaining.

I mean seriously.. its a cartoon video.

Solar has been the next big thing for decades and still is not here yet. Obama, your lord and savior, funded a few solar companies with the stimulus plan which promptly went out of business. The largest I believe was Abound Energy which received over $400,000,000.00 USD and then promptly went out of business and auctioned its assets.

Further, if it could be done cheaply and safely, it would be infinitely easier to implement it on home and commercial buildings anyway. Things that are accessible, do not cause traffic issues to repair or maintain, which are not surfaces affected by freezing and heat and constantly buckling and heaving and breaking apart, surfaces which don't require massive snow plows being scraped over them and which also cover a massive amount of surface area and so on and so on and so on and so on. It would seem quite obvious to anyone that spent even a few seconds thinking about it, that coating road surfaces with something like this is an insane idea... car accidents ripping it up, constant car fires melting and destroying them (yes, if you pay attention on any major highway, there are places all over the place where cars burned), crazy weather, snow, ice, remoteness etc etc etc etc etc. Maintenance itself would be impossible. Further, if there was any surface better than asphalt or concrete it would be in use already. Thinking a solar panel is somehow going to be just fine as a highways surface is a bit silly.... given the fact that the world has been struggling with the "better, safer road surface" question for a century.... and still are stuck with asphalt and concrete.

Furthermore, there is another point which should be fairly obvious. The nations entire infrastructure is crumbling. We have 10's of 1000's of miles of bridges which are not just in dire need of repair, but much of which are beyond repair. So it's not very clear where anyone thinks the many hundreds and billions of dollars just to start something like this is going to come from, when roads and bridges are already falling apart.

Example: U.S. has 63,000 bridges that need significant repairs

even the crazy schizophrenic above gets it.

crockett · 05-24-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Solar is hard work to get going! been living off solar for 3 years...

15 big 1m panels... barely powers a small fridge and laptop... huge losses everywhere in the equation!

but yeh... inevitable to go this way... Solar is GREAT I suburbs where everyone has a rooftop... in CITIES will use the free space on the road for sure! with a lot of vehilcle restrictions... e.g. 80km/hour electric cars..

You are doing it wrong.. I power a small fridge, laptop, lights and random other things plus occasional usage of a inverter with only 200 watts of solar + 2x type 31 AGM deep cycles.

You are crazy if you try to power a regular 110 volt style fridge on solar. You have to get a efficient 12v model and no not those crappy 3 way propane things they sell for RV's.. I mean a quality fridge built to run on 12v as the main option.

Truckfridge for example makes some affordable smaller versions. A regular house style fridge that runs on 110 is extremely inefficient and shouldn't be run on a solar set up. Same with those 3 way fridges they put in RV's. Those aren't meant to actually run full time on 12v so they are very inefficient.

crockett · 05-24-2014, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Isn't that a moot point? It can't be done cheaply and efficiently which is why it is not done to begin with. That shouldn't need explaining.

I mean seriously.. its a cartoon video.

Solar has been the next big thing for decades and still is not here yet. Obama, your lord and savior, funded a few solar companies with the stimulus plan which promptly went out of business. The largest I believe was Abound Energy which received over $400,000,000.00 USD and then promptly went out of business and auctioned its assets.

Further, if it could be done cheaply and safely, it would be infinitely easier to implement it on home and commercial buildings anyway. Things that are accessible, do not cause traffic issues to repair or maintain, which are not surfaces affected by freezing and heat and constantly buckling and heaving and breaking apart, surfaces which don't require massive snow plows being scraped over them and which also cover a massive amount of surface area and so on and so on and so on and so on. It would seem quite obvious to anyone that spent even a few seconds thinking about it, that coating road surfaces with something like this is an insane idea... car accidents ripping it up, constant car fires melting and destroying them (yes, if you pay attention on any major highway, there are places all over the place where cars burned), crazy weather, snow, ice, remoteness etc etc etc etc etc. Maintenance itself would be impossible. Further, if there was any surface better than asphalt or concrete it would be in use already. Thinking a solar panel is somehow going to be just fine as a highways surface is a bit silly.... given the fact that the world has been struggling with the "better, safer road surface" question for a century.... and still are stuck with asphalt and concrete.

Furthermore, there is another point which should be fairly obvious. The nations entire infrastructure is crumbling. We have 10's of 1000's of miles of bridges which are not just in dire need of repair, but much of which are beyond repair. So it's not very clear where anyone thinks the many hundreds and billions of dollars just to start something like this is going to come from, when roads and bridges are already falling apart.

Example: U.S. has 63,000 bridges that need significant repairs

even the crazy schizophrenic above gets it.

Not here yet? It's all over..

Cali for example is building 14 new solar farms at this very moment..

This is a article from just a few days ago talking about how NC of all places has become the number 2 producer of electric with solar right behind Cali..

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte...new-solar.html

Just because you choose to stick your head in the sand doesn't mean it's not out there. Renewable energy is the fastest growing sources of energy in this country. More solar & wind farms are being built now than any other type of power generation method..

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 08:06 PM

**********, what TheSquealer wrote sums it up. Don't get me wrong, I think most all of us here get a kick out of tech but this is like a couple of stoners sat around and played the what if we combined this with that game. Also, this isn't new, the idea and all got it first funding from the gov back in 2009 and then again in 2011, the road block then was the detoriation and covering of road grime of the panels so the solution was to invent self-cleaning panels. See where I am going with this? It's an insane Pandora's box, both in application and costs, and worse, it is not a panacea. I'm all for hi-tech and alternative energies but this is just plain silly.

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Originally Posted by crockett

You are doing it wrong.. I power a small fridge, laptop, lights and random other things plus occasional usage of a inverter with only 200 watts of solar + 2x type 31 AGM deep cycles.

You are crazy if you try to power a regular 110 volt style fridge on solar. You have to get a efficient 12v model and no not those crappy 3 way propane things they sell for RV's.. I mean a quality fridge built to run on 12v as the main option.

Truckfridge for example makes some affordable smaller versions. A regular house style fridge that runs on 110 is extremely inefficient and shouldn't be run on a solar set up. Same with those 3 way fridges they put in RV's. Those aren't meant to actually run full time on 12v so they are very inefficient.

I've been thinking of adding a solar setup to the motorhome, so I guess this applies to the rooftop AC, everything? Is there a good place online to start? I started by googling solar panels for RVs, didn't realize about the appliances.

crockett · 05-24-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I've been thinking of adding a solar setup to the motorhome, so I guess this applies to the rooftop AC, everything? Is there a good place online to start? I started by googling solar panels for RVs, didn't realize about the appliances.

Yea read this guys site a few times. It comes off a bit crazy and it's kind unorganized but he knows his stuff.

http://handybobsolar.wordpress.com/

The moral of the story, is don't install solar unless you do it yourself, because 99% of the RV dealers have no clue what they are doing and they will sometimes purposely install low gauge wire to hinder performance in order to sell you more panels.

Also the RV dealers do insane mark ups on the products, so you are better off buying the stuff online.

Roof top AC is pretty much a no go, but if you get a good 12v fridge you can power everything else. I have heard of people powering small window units AC's but they usually require about 500w just for that.

dyna mo · 05-24-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yea read this guys site a few times. It comes off a bit crazy and it's kind unorganized but he knows his stuff.

http://handybobsolar.wordpress.com/

The moral of the story, is don't install solar unless you do it yourself, because 99% of the RV dealers have no clue what they are doing and they will sometimes purposely install low gauge wire to hinder performance in order to sell you more panels.

Also the RV dealers do insane mark ups on the products, so you are better off buying the stuff online.

Roof top AC is pretty much a no go, but if you get a good 12v fridge you can power everything else. I have heard of people powering small window units AC's but they usually require about 500w just for that.

I was aiming for 500watts actually, but yeah pricey, I've got a solar panel ecom site bookmarked but that's as far as I've gone on it, it helps figure out the needs and a full setup. I'll check out that site thanks,

2MuchMark · 05-24-2014, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Isn't that a moot point? It can't be done cheaply and efficiently which is why it is not done to begin with. That shouldn't need explaining.

I mean seriously.. its a cartoon video.

Solar has been the next big thing for decades and still is not here yet. Obama, your lord and savior, funded a few solar companies with the stimulus plan which promptly went out of business. The largest I believe was Abound Energy which received over $400,000,000.00 USD and then promptly went out of business and auctioned its assets.

Further, if it could be done cheaply and safely, it would be infinitely easier to implement it on home and commercial buildings anyway. Things that are accessible, do not cause traffic issues to repair or maintain, which are not surfaces affected by freezing and heat and constantly buckling and heaving and breaking apart, surfaces which don't require massive snow plows being scraped over them and which also cover a massive amount of surface area and so on and so on and so on and so on. It would seem quite obvious to anyone that spent even a few seconds thinking about it, that coating road surfaces with something like this is an insane idea... car accidents ripping it up, constant car fires melting and destroying them (yes, if you pay attention on any major highway, there are places all over the place where cars burned), crazy weather, snow, ice, remoteness etc etc etc etc etc. Maintenance itself would be impossible. Further, if there was any surface better than asphalt or concrete it would be in use already. Thinking a solar panel is somehow going to be just fine as a highways surface is a bit silly.... given the fact that the world has been struggling with the "better, safer road surface" question for a century.... and still are stuck with asphalt and concrete.

Furthermore, there is another point which should be fairly obvious. The nations entire infrastructure is crumbling. We have 10's of 1000's of miles of bridges which are not just in dire need of repair, but much of which are beyond repair. So it's not very clear where anyone thinks the many hundreds and billions of dollars just to start something like this is going to come from, when roads and bridges are already falling apart.

Example: U.S. has 63,000 bridges that need significant repairs

even the crazy schizophrenic above gets it.

Well... geeeze.. that was quite a post...!

Is solar here yet? No of course not. It exists, but its expensive, and doesn't do a good job of converting sunlight to electricity... but.. wait! Technology is improving, prices are dropping, and demand is rising which of course push prices down even further while quality goes up.

Startups like Sunrun and Solarcity (an Elon Musk company) are growing fast by buying solar panels from China and installing them here. 120,000 jobs in the US and counting are all in the solar industry. It's too bad the US fumbled when making panels. China is owning the market.

And speaking of China, installed over 12 Gigawatts of solar power capacity in 2013 alone.

So don't discount Solar. It's expensive and clearly not for everyone, but it definitely has a future.

DBS.US · 05-24-2014, 10:41 PM

Let start with these

bean-aid · 05-25-2014, 12:39 AM

Just want to mention that glass, oil, rain... makes this solution impossible.

Solar future will come from making those panels smaller. More energy per sq ft kinda thing.

Kolargol · 05-25-2014, 04:28 AM

I wonder what will happen if someone hacks into the road solar panel system and changes signs, lanes etc.

Zeiss · 05-25-2014, 04:40 AM

Must watch!

TheSquealer · 05-25-2014, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

And speaking of China, installed over 12 Gigawatts of solar power capacity in 2013 alone.

So don't discount Solar. It's expensive and clearly not for everyone, but it definitely has a future.

I hardly think its relevant what a 1/2 communist government, in one of the most populous nations on the planet and who is still mostly living in the stone age, and where they are not living in the stone age, they are almost wholly dependent on coal is doing in solar.

Its a physics and a math problem... not a "can a communist government who is one of the largest polluters in the world, spend the money to make a token effort for UN Summits to shut people up" problem.

The point is not whether or not to "discount solar"... obviously at some point in the future it will get figured out. The point is "right here, right now, today... its not".

The idea of covering all major highways with solar panels is insane, at best for a myriad of issues... not to mention the most obvious issue that roads are city, state, county and federal and can't be taken over by private enterprise.

crockett · 05-25-2014, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I hardly think its relevant what a 1/2 communist government, in one of the most populous nations on the planet and who is still mostly living in the stone age, and where they are not living in the stone age, they are almost wholly dependent on coal is doing in solar.

Its a physics and a math problem... not a "can a communist government who is one of the largest polluters in the world, spend the money to make a token effort for UN Summits to shut people up" problem.

The point is not whether or not to "discount solar"... obviously at some point in the future it will get figured out. The point is "right here, right now, today... its not".

The idea of covering all major highways with solar panels is insane, at best for a myriad of issues... not to mention the most obvious issue that roads are city, state, county and federal and can't be taken over by private enterprise.

Why do you people act as if solar is some far off technology that the world has yet to grasp?

Is this photoshop? Some out take from a futuristic movie? A picture from a time traveler?

No.. It a single solar farm in Long Island. It outputs on average of 44,000,000 kilowatt-hours a year which is enough to power 4,500 homes. The electric produced doesn't disappear into a magical black hole, it gets used everyday. In fact it's a pretty damn good chance that electric you are using right now has partially been created by solar unless you live in a hole under a rock..

This is a picture of a single solar farm in the US but there are hundreds just like it all over the country.

I can see why green energy has such a hard time in this country. People are far to ignorant about it and have no clue what is going on in the world around them.

This is a website from a homeowner in Maine whom has built a house powered by solar. It's a big house and he keeps detailed records of his usage all the way back to 2011.

http://www.solarhouse.com

I just don't get people denying something that is used everyday as if it's some far off technology or a massive problem like sending men to mars.. It's not people live via solar power every day, right now.

TheSquealer · 05-25-2014, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Not here yet? It's all over..

Cali for example is building 14 new solar farms at this very moment..

This is a article from just a few days ago talking about how NC of all places has become the number 2 producer of electric with solar right behind Cali..

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte...new-solar.html

You're right genius. I just learned about the sun yesterday.

Triumphantly proclaiming "they exist" isn't exactly a cost/benefit analysis.

Just because private companies are using federal and state money, or because banks are lending federally secured loans to build shit, hoping for the best but where projects are projected to operate at a massive loss for a decade or two or more with only a slim chance of ever paying off... doesn't mean it is financially viable TODAY.

TheSquealer · 05-25-2014, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you people act as if solar is some far off technology that the world has yet to grasp?

There seems to be a lot and particularly a lot about mathematics which you "dont get"

Just because it exists, doesn't mean it is economically viable today as a replacement for fossil fuels. There is a reason everyone's home is not solar powered. Why is it that you can't "get" why this is?

TheSquealer · 05-25-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Is this photoshop? Some out take from a futuristic movie? A picture from a time traveler?

No.. It a single solar farm in Long Island. It outputs on average of 44,000,000 kilowatt-hours a year which is enough to power 4,500 homes. The electric produced doesn't disappear into a magical black hole, it gets used everyday. In fact it's a pretty damn good chance that electric you are using right now has partially been created by solar unless you live in a hole under a rock..

Again, the fact that something exists, doesn't mean its financially viable. Thats the thing you just can't seem to accept.

Furthermore, you bitch about oil companies and their conspiracies against clean and renewable energy and then use a project as an example of solar greatness and its future, which was funded and owned by BP. Yay BP! Good for them for leading the way with a minor tax write off and new talking point for their "environmental responsibility".

crockett · 05-25-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Again, the fact that something exists, doesn't mean its financially viable. Thats the thing you just can't seem to accept.

Furthermore, you bitch about oil companies and their conspiracies against clean and renewable energy and then use a project as an example of solar greatness and its future, which was funded and owned by BP. Yay BP! Good for them for leading the way with a minor tax write off and new talking point for their "environmental responsibility".

First off all I didn't bitch about conspiracies, I provided case studies that are on record as actual fact. Which was the Tucker car and the guy whom invented the windshield wiper. Their court cases are public record not conspiracy.

Also on the cost of solar.. Is not much more than coal. The average cost of coal on the system level is 95.6 however if they used the clean coal technology the cost increases by a lot.

Meanwhile solar is 130 at the system level and it's dropping fast. This is why companies see it as a smart investment now and are building solar farms and not coal plants.

The price of coal is increasing meanwhile the price of solar is dropping. Sometime between 2020 and 2030 solar will be the most cost effective power creation method. Cheaper than coal, natural gas and nuclear.

This is why Cali for example is building 14 new solar farms at the moment. This why other states are doing it as well. Not everyone is so short sighted that they can't see 10 years into the future and understand where prices will be. It's a good thing everyone isn't as smart as you are or we would still be burning wood to create steam power...

TheSquealer · 05-25-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

The price of coal is increasing meanwhile the price of solar is dropping. Sometime between 2020 and 2030 solar will be the most cost effective power creation method. Cheaper than coal, natural gas and nuclear..

Uhmmm so thanks for making my point which I've stated several times now....? We are a long ways from solar making good financial sense for everyone.

crockett · 05-25-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Uhmmm so thanks for making my point which I've stated several times now....? We are a long ways from solar making good financial sense for everyone.

10 years is not long at all when it will take that much time just to build the solar farms.. Should they wait 10 years so they can pay more for coal or pay more for solar while getting benefit of it. Are you really this simple minded that you don't understand the basic concept of investing money now to profit later?

Considering power companies constantly add new power production to their grids, do you think it's smart to build coal plants now because for 10 years they will be cheaper, or pay a little extra to build solar that will continue to be profitable long past the first investment?

Tom-LifeSelector · 05-26-2014, 09:27 AM

Sounds awesome, sounds extremely expensive. Hope they'll find the way to reduce the price...

Rochard · 05-26-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The U.S. Federal Debt is about $17,690,680,484,000.

Who's gonna hold another pink slip for $3 trillion? How much of this hi-tech roadway is $3 trillion gonna build? A few highways? The streets around the Capital building in Washington?

Seems like an awesome concept. Sounds extremely unfeasible given the cost and the existing debtload to the nation (and that goes for us here in Canada, too).

You aren't doing the math here.

No matter what, we are going to spend $3 trillion on roads and infrastructure in the near future. If we continue on the current course we'll spend $3 trillion and in return we'll get our freeways maintained and repaved and what not. Or... We can put up solar freeways - not only would it cut down on costs for the federal government by powering all the lights on the freeways, it would also provide income to the federal government in the form of power sold.

Thus.... We can spent $3 trillion and get some roads. Or, we can spent $3 trillion, get the same roads, completely eliminate the money spent on powering all the lights and street signs on the freeway, AND generate income for the government.

Instead of spending money on roads, the roads would be paid for with no money out of pocket, and our government would have extra income. Win win win.

2MuchMark · 05-26-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

I wonder what will happen if someone hacks into the road solar panel system and changes signs, lanes etc.

You know... why not sell advertising on them? So many possibilities:

- Ads can be changed instantly. No printing costs.
- Ads can be targeted : The roads would know who you are by your smartphone
- "Electric Charging station next exit"
- Animated or static

Safety concerns aside, this is another way solar roads could make money.

dyna mo · 05-26-2014, 01:23 PM

why not have this fancy solar roadway do counseling too? It could have stopped the Santa Barbara shooting the way some of y'all think this is a panacea.

2MuchMark · 05-26-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you people act as if solar is some far off technology that the world has yet to grasp?

Is this photoshop? Some out take from a futuristic movie? A picture from a time traveler?

No.. It a single solar farm in Long Island. It outputs on average of 44,000,000 kilowatt-hours a year which is enough to power 4,500 homes. The electric produced doesn't disappear into a magical black hole, it gets used everyday. In fact it's a pretty damn good chance that electric you are using right now has partially been created by solar unless you live in a hole under a rock..

This is a picture of a single solar farm in the US but there are hundreds just like it all over the country.

I can see why green energy has such a hard time in this country. People are far to ignorant about it and have no clue what is going on in the world around them.

This is a website from a homeowner in Maine whom has built a house powered by solar. It's a big house and he keeps detailed records of his usage all the way back to 2011.

http://www.solarhouse.com

I just don't get people denying something that is used everyday as if it's some far off technology or a massive problem like sending men to mars.. It's not people live via solar power every day, right now.

Wow that is so cool. I love it. Thanks for sharing this.

Fuck you in the neck, fossil fuel!

TheSquealer · 05-26-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You aren't doing the math here.

No matter what, we are going to spend $3 trillion on roads and infrastructure in the near future. If we continue on the current course we'll spend $3 trillion and in return we'll get our freeways maintained and repaved and what not. Or... We can put up solar freeways - not only would it cut down on costs for the federal government by powering all the lights on the freeways, it would also provide income to the federal government in the form of power sold.

Thus.... We can spent $3 trillion and get some roads. Or, we can spent $3 trillion, get the same roads, completely eliminate the money spent on powering all the lights and street signs on the freeway, AND generate income for the government.

Instead of spending money on roads, the roads would be paid for with no money out of pocket, and our government would have extra income. Win win win.

What an odd way of thinking.
Even more odd to suggest someone else isn't "doing the math"

1) The Federal Government can't be in private business... so no, it can't make money by selling electricity to the public.

2) Spending 3 trillion on roads means rebuilding, resurfacing etc. Not to mention dealing with well over 60,000 bridges that desperately need repair. You've somehow believed that using a new experimental surface, which presumably will lay down on top of the 3 trillion dollars in rebuilt roads will be free, not an additional 3 trillion dollars.

3) What are the costs of maintenance for experimental solar panels as a road surface? Didn't think about that? Shocker.

4) "Government" doesn't take into account the difference between private, city, state, county and federal roads and the obvious issue of getting anyone to agree on anything or to bear the cost of maintenance.

5) Solar panels aren't even efficient enough yet to power your own house in a cost effective manner... but covering the planet with an experimental road surface seems to make obvious financial sense to you?

6) You've somehow assumed how much power they can generate to "power" road lights and other utilities and are obviously oblivious to the fact that it depends entirely on the climate of the region and in a best case scenario, still won't generate much power when averaged across large geographic regions of varying climates

7) Ever hear of winter and roads covered with snow and ice?

Good stuff..

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