Which adult sponsors are still relevant today?

[Wellness Cash]

We have all seen it happen, major sponsors at one time, such as Maxcash, ARS, SilverCash, TCG, etc are at the top of their game then, for whatever reason, they just vanish almost overnight.

Are there any relevant affiliate programs on the same level as programs past in the industry today or do you think it is more a mashup of smaller programs offering individual sites that most affiliates are using?

[MrPotatoBread]

http://faketaxi.com/tour/

Originally Posted by Wellness Cash

We have all seen it happen, major sponsors at one time, such as Maxcash, ARS, SilverCash, TCG, etc are at the top of their game then, for whatever reason, they just vanish almost overnight.

Are there any relevant affiliate programs on the same level as programs past in the industry today or do you think it is more a mashup of smaller programs offering individual sites that most affiliates are using?

[lucas131]

reallyusefullcash
czechcash
payserve
naughtyamerica
realitykings
fuckyoucash
paperstreetcash
serious-cash

they still produce new sites with unique content ... of course there is more, just those popped in my mind ...

[Robbie]

There are definitely no programs at the level of the era before piracy exploded and full scenes were available for free by the hundreds of thousands.

For "real" affiliates promoting pay sites honestly by simply giving the customer a choice to click on a link to a site...it simply doesn't exist anymore.

How could it? Are surfers gonna look at blogs, tgps, etc. when they KNOW they can simply go to Pornhub and it's ilk and see full length scenes

Nope, for affiliates (not talking about email spammers and SEO blackhat guys, etc.) those days are gone now.
That whole business model that was so incredibly successful from it's inception in the 1990's up until the massive free give-away of porn is no longer viable I'm afraid.

Most paysites get the vast majority of sales that they still get from working their own sources.

On Claudia Marie's site...affiliate sales are pitiful these days. It's not their fault. It's just the way it is now. Instead of thousands of affiliate sales...I get hundreds of sales from type ins and her social networking (that's where the sales really come from).
But since I don't have to pay out 50% of my money on those sales...I'm able to make the same amount of bank as I did when I got far more sales from my affiliates.

Every paysite owner I have spoken to personally is seeing the same thing.

That's why we've seen so many affiliate programs close up shop. It just isn't worth it to them to invest in the affiliate program for such a low return. Why have affiliate managers, do payouts, all the paperwork, etc. when you can make the same money without them?

It's fucked up and obviously has cost a lot of people their jobs and their livelihoods.

But we all can be happy that some guys are making "more money than ever" and "adapting" and making great sales with "tube traffic".
Those guys are geniuses!

[CaptainHowdy]

See sig :-) ...

[Sarah_Jayne]

HustlerCash.com

I will say that at least some of the ones you mentioned above were not at their prime when they vanished and the writing was on the walls for while beforehand.

[Mickey_]

LifeSelector Affiliates

[PR_Glen]

we are always relevant ;)

[Jesse1984]

FameDollars still tremendously relevant.

EvilAngel.com
DevilsFilm.com
RoccoSiffredi.com
TeraPatrick.com
MileHighMedia.com
SilviaSaint.com
PeterNorth.com
NuruNetwork.com
DaringSex.com
Webyoung.com
WhiteGhetto.com
TSPlayground.com
ShemaleIdol.com
TrannyPros.com
AnalAcrobats.com
MikeAdriano.com
JaySinXXX.com
JoeySilvera.com
Buttman.com
Etc.Etc.Etc.Etc.

[Robbie]

Guys I don't think he means "relevant" in terms of our sites and the work we do.

I took his question to mean "relevant" in terms of an average affiliate (who doesn't do mass email or seo blackhat or any other "Tricks") making good money by promoting them.

All of the programs I've seen that have posted here about their "relevancy" are all indeed very relevant in terms of great sites and content.

But none of y'all are what he asked about in terms of the money that we all used to make as affiliates for the old school programs he listed.

You all probably make most of your money on non-affiliate signups just like I do and just like every paysite owner I have spoken to does. Just the opposite of what it was like pre-2007/2008

Sure we are all still doing everything we possibly can to help affiliates promote us...but as I said earlier: In the end, the surfer has 2 choices. He can check out our blogs, tgps, little legitimate tubes, review sites, etc OR he can simply go watch all of your members areas for free on pirate tubes or download the whole thing on a torrent site.

It's just not the same atmosphere for an affiliate as it was back then for selling paysite memberships.

[pornmasta]

I don't have a sponsor program, but if yes, it would be mine for sure ...

[signupdamnit]

Dating
Cams

That's about it. I can actually still GROW with these as an affiliate. With the others, forget it. I'm going backwards no matter how hard I work. Robbie explained it pretty well. When it gets to the point where affiliates have to send 8-10,000 uniques to make a $20 commission that makes it no longer worth it for most unless they have massive traffic and very few do.

If surprises me to see so many pushing that Faketaxi considering who the owner is and his history with the tubes. I wonder if it's just the usual kiss ass train where many affiliates jump on the bandwagon THINKING they will make money and then a year later we see the truth. It'll be interesting to see which real affiliates still like them a year from now. I'm skeptical and I find it hard to trust the guy. Horrible anti-affiliate vibes.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

I don't have a sponsor program, but if yes, it would be mine for sure ...

Your sig has been cracking me up for years though.

[The Porn Nerd]

I was going to say something snarky like "define 'relevant'" but Robbie and Signupdammit explained it fairly well. I, too, make the majority of my sales from type-ins but I have also seen affiliate payouts increase. Hmmm....

I think for me and my content, which is incredibly unique, it's still possible for affiliates with TGPs and Blogs to make sales after sending under 1k uniques. I know this because I, myself, make sales via TGPs and Blogs with my content! LOL So it IS possible - but not from major companies any longer. It surprises me Robbie doesn't do better with affiliates considering CM is in a loyal niche.

In the end, it is still possible to make good money as an affiliate with paysites but it takes a whole lot more 'scale' to do so.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It surprises me Robbie doesn't do better with affiliates considering CM is in a loyal niche.

It DID do great with affiliates when I opened it up in 2007 and on up into late 2008. By 2009 affiliate traffic was stalling.

Today? I don't have any affiliates that CAN send any real amount of traffic per day.

It's not their fault. Hell, as an affiliate I can't send any real traffic to any paysites either.

People are all flocking to the full free videos at Pornhub and pirate tubes and torrents.

Yeah, we can still get some sales from affiliates, just like you do.

But it's like nothing compared to what it was before this piracy cancer took off full force.

I can only imagine the sales I would be making with some of the great paysites out there today if piracy were magically gone.
But you know what they say...spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.

[blonda80]

sextronix

[flashfire]

cecash is still going strong...and no I don't work for them

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There are definitely no programs at the level of the era before piracy exploded and full scenes were available for free by the hundreds of thousands.

For "real" affiliates promoting pay sites honestly by simply giving the customer a choice to click on a link to a site...it simply doesn't exist anymore.

How could it? Are surfers gonna look at blogs, tgps, etc. when they KNOW they can simply go to Pornhub and it's ilk and see full length scenes

Nope, for affiliates (not talking about email spammers and SEO blackhat guys, etc.) those days are gone now.
That whole business model that was so incredibly successful from it's inception in the 1990's up until the massive free give-away of porn is no longer viable I'm afraid.

Most paysites get the vast majority of sales that they still get from working their own sources.

On Claudia Marie's site...affiliate sales are pitiful these days. It's not their fault. It's just the way it is now. Instead of thousands of affiliate sales...I get hundreds of sales from type ins and her social networking (that's where the sales really come from).
But since I don't have to pay out 50% of my money on those sales...I'm able to make the same amount of bank as I did when I got far more sales from my affiliates.

Every paysite owner I have spoken to personally is seeing the same thing.

That's why we've seen so many affiliate programs close up shop. It just isn't worth it to them to invest in the affiliate program for such a low return. Why have affiliate managers, do payouts, all the paperwork, etc. when you can make the same money without them?

It's fucked up and obviously has cost a lot of people their jobs and their livelihoods.

But we all can be happy that some guys are making "more money than ever" and "adapting" and making great sales with "tube traffic".
Those guys are geniuses!

I've always liked Robbie. This dude tells it like it is.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Robbie

It DID do great with affiliates when I opened it up in 2007 and on up into late 2008. By 2009 affiliate traffic was stalling.

Today? I don't have any affiliates that CAN send any real amount of traffic per day.

It's not their fault. Hell, as an affiliate I can't send any real traffic to any paysites either.

People are all flocking to the full free videos at Pornhub and pirate tubes and torrents.

Yeah, we can still get some sales from affiliates, just like you do.

But it's like nothing compared to what it was before this piracy cancer took off full force.

I can only imagine the sales I would be making with some of the great paysites out there today if piracy were magically gone.
But you know what they say...spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.

I definitely hear what you are saying. Right now I have hundreds of CCBill affiliates and I always thought 'fuck man, if each aff could just send 1 join a WEEK....'

[bluebook18]

Originally Posted by lucas131

reallyusefullcash
czechcash
payserve
naughtyamerica
realitykings
fuckyoucash
paperstreetcash

they still produce new sites with unique content ... of course there is more, just those popped in my mind ...

This

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I definitely hear what you are saying. Right now I have hundreds of CCBill affiliates and I always thought 'fuck man, if each aff could just send 1 join a WEEK....'

In our NATS admin I have 812 pages that list 50 active affiliates of our program on each page.
That's over 4 THOUSAND affiliates.

It's a sad situation where the industry finds itself when I can get 10 times more sales with Claudia Marie tweeting. lol

[MrPotatoBread]

Originally Posted by MrPotatoBread

http://faketaxi.com/tour/

Well, I guess I meant to post this in the one looking for taxi posts. Whoops. lol.

Anyway, most of them I'd say are still relevant in terms of content. I'd say lucas131 hit did a pretty good job for starters on that list.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by MrPotatoBread

Well, I guess I meant to post this in the one looking for taxi posts. Whoops. lol.

Anyway, most of them I'd say are still relevant in terms of content. I'd say lucas131 hit did a pretty good job for starters on that list.

faketaxi gives me the creeps. it is wrong on many levels.

I cannot believe it has billing.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Dating
Cams

Big cam sites exists - but this does not mean there's so many happy affiliates: every single day someone posts that this or that cam/dating site converted bad.

About pay sites, you guys forgot the erotica ones like met-art , there's still life there.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Wellness Cash

We have all seen it happen, major sponsors at one time, such as Maxcash, ARS, SilverCash, TCG, etc are at the top of their game then, for whatever reason, they just vanish almost overnight.

Are there any relevant affiliate programs on the same level as programs past in the industry today or do you think it is more a mashup of smaller programs offering individual sites that most affiliates are using?

See sig.

[Major (Tom)]

We're still here at Duke Dollars
Doing very still
Duke

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Robbie

It DID do great with affiliates when I opened it up in 2007 and on up into late 2008. By 2009 affiliate traffic was stalling.

Today? I don't have any affiliates that CAN send any real amount of traffic per day.

It's not their fault. Hell, as an affiliate I can't send any real traffic to any paysites either.

People are all flocking to the full free videos at Pornhub and pirate tubes and torrents.

Yeah, we can still get some sales from affiliates, just like you do.

But it's like nothing compared to what it was before this piracy cancer took off full force.

I can only imagine the sales I would be making with some of the great paysites out there today if piracy were magically gone.
But you know what they say...spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.

True, our gross is up, net is up, but affiliate sales aren't what they used to be. Most of our traffic is like you said. Tubes didn't kill pay sites they killed a lot of affiliates who never adapted
Ds

[Struggle4Bucks]

Maybe the question should be: which affiliates are still relevant?

Affiliates that send a couple of hunderd visitors a day should not have problems at my place reaching minimums every week.
Check sig for relevant ratio's!

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Tubes didn't kill pay sites they killed a lot of affiliates who never adapted

[CurrentlySober]

Very Relevant.... ?


???

[Enjoy Bucks]

There are few old big programs still around and doing well. We also here and feel not bad ;)

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Maybe the question should be: which affiliates are still relevant?

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Tubes didn't kill pay sites they killed a lot of affiliates who never adapted

[topnotch, standup guy]

When the going gets tough, the quitters quit and the tough keep going.

It's an old cliché, but it's never been more true than here and now.

A lot of excellent sponsers have been listed above. Just weed out the lowlifes who suck Manwin's dick (do a search) and you're good to go
.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

A lot of excellent sponsers have been listed above. Just weed out the lowlifes who suck Manwin's dick (do a search) and you're good to go
.

Every sponser you just praised have vids on Manwin tubes, dude. Just sayin'.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Tubes didn't kill pay sites they killed a lot of affiliates who never adapted
Ds

Sure, but here are the main ways for an affiliate to adapt while still staying an affiliate:

1. Start stealing YOUR CONTENT and use it to sell something else which will actually sell FOR THEM.

2. Leave adult and go to mainstream.

3. Stop selling paysites.

4. Get a job.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Every sponser you just praised have vids on Manwin tubes, dude. Just sayin'.

You don't need a crime lab to figure out which sponsor's shit is on the tubes by choice and who's isn't.

Those who assign a value of zero to their own material can count on everyone else valuing it likewise.

Conversely, if your shit doesn't suck and (most of) it can't be had for free, well...
.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I think for me and my content, which is incredibly unique

What percentage of your content is exclusive?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Today? I don't have any affiliates that CAN send any real amount of traffic per day.

What do you consider real amount?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by NewNick

faketaxi gives me the creeps. it is wrong on many levels.

I cannot believe it has billing.

I saw one scene. Usual reality type shit "I get you money would you have sex".

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

What do you consider real amount?

I consider "real" amounts to be the amounts that I used to be able to send from our TGP's.
I had about 1.2 million uniques a day between Ampland.Com, Grampland.Com, and ShavedGoat.Com at their peak around 2006.

When I put something on the main page, it didn't really matter what it was...I would send out 40 to 50 joins a day (full joins on revshare which is what I preferred doing back then) to everything on that main page.
And that didn't count the sales we got off the galleries on the category pages and the sales from the banners on each category page.

Not sure that any site can do that these days. Back then we were one of many.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Robbie

In our NATS admin I have 812 pages that list 50 active affiliates of our program on each page.
That's over 4 THOUSAND affiliates.

40000

8 char

[rayadp05]

um, nothing really to say about this, but see sig ....believe me, you will be satisfied with the results.

[NaughtyAmerica]

http://www.naughtyamerica4k.com

The Difference Is Here.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We're still here at Duke Dollars
Doing very still
Duke

[djinxz]

don´t forget the difference. See sig.

[AmeliaG]

I think we could use a few more business threads on the front page, so I'm going to bump a bit.

[Rochard]

You have to look at why some of these companies dropped. In some cases they were poor businessmen, in other cases they made so much money that they got into other things.

Originally Posted by Robbie

On Claudia Marie's site...affiliate sales are pitiful these days. It's not their fault. It's just the way it is now. Instead of thousands of affiliate sales...I get hundreds of sales from type ins and her social networking (that's where the sales really come from).
But since I don't have to pay out 50% of my money on those sales...I'm able to make the same amount of bank as I did when I got far more sales from my affiliates.

I never thought of it this way.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

Doing very well. Not still. But thank you for pointing that out. I do stand corrected & that did make me look stupid. My sausage links on an iPhone don't work too good.
Ds

[Marshal]

Why not checking out thousands of sponsors who are still working and still paying?
http://www.signbucks.com/

We are updating the list daily, and we've deleted and blacklisted all the programs that has not been paying.
http://www.signbucks.com/news/blacklist

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Doing very well. Not still. But thank you for pointing that out. I do stand corrected & that did make me look stupid. My sausage links on an iPhone don't work too good.
Ds

i read it as a play on words