Rant Why all the anti-gun talk about the Santa Barbara killer?

[blackmonsters]

Why are people talking abut gun control being the solution when the guy stabbed 3 other guys to death before he left his apartment?
He then ran some people over with his car.

What's up with the selective condemnation of weapons used in the killings?

Are anti-gun people simply blind?


Disclaimer : I just wanted to try the rant prefix selector.

[J. Falcon]

[MK Ultra]

If the guy had stabbed all 6 to death then shot himself the anti-gun crowd would still be screaming to ban guns because of it, it's the only thing they know how to do.

[CDSmith]

I have no issue with there being more controls in place. Background checks, ownership-training-and-usage certificate requirements, etc. No issue for me at all. It's the idiots screaming about banning all guns right across the board every time some psycho goes off his nut that I take issue with.

And those people will never get it no matter how many reasoned arguments are made, so no point in rehashing it all over again.

[czarina]

They'll ban knives and cars now!

[L-Pink]

Amen brother!

[Brent 3dSexCash]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why are people talking abut gun control being the solution when the guy stabbed 3 other guys to death before he left his apartment?
He then ran some people over with his car.

What's up with the selective condemnation of weapons used in the killings?

Are anti-gun people simply blind?


Disclaimer : I just wanted to try the rant prefix selector.

One of the victim's fathers was blaming the NRA. I feel sooo bad for the father but he is so brainwashed it is scary.

How about blaming the kid? Not once in his speech did he blame the kid for what happened. It was all about gun control and the NRA.

In almost every one of these cases, the lunatic is on some cocktail of meds that a psychiatrist prescribed him. But no one ever wants to look at this as being a possible cause or individual responsibility and values. It is always the guns.

[dyna mo]

that's a good question, man, it is odd to me also. It seems to boil down to the old debate of guns don't kill people, people kill people, they think the gun killed those people.

It's the same peeps who want to relinquish more of their freedoms based on psychology.

So maybe it's a deflection from the fact that psychology failed here. This guy was immersed in psycho-therapy- multiple therapists, daily sessions, family participation, police interviews.

not one bit of that neither 1) helped the guy nor 2) intervened on the murderous rampage.


yet the anti-gunners want psychologists to decide personal property matters.

[Cherry7]

Guns are machines to kill people.

Knives have other purposes but are banned in public places in the UK.

Moments of anger don't turn into lifetimes of tragedy.

You have killed all the Indians you don't need guns anymore.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Guns are machines to kill people.

Knives have other purposes but are banned in public places in the UK.

Moments of anger don't turn into lifetimes of tragedy.

You have killed all the Indians you don't need guns anymore.

what planet are you posting from? It must be far away with a completely different reality such that you think guns are only made for killing people while knifes are made for various purposes.

I imagine you gave yourself a hi-5 after your indian comment also. snicker snicker.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Guns are machines to kill people.

Knives have other purposes but are banned in public places in the UK.

Moments of anger don't turn into lifetimes of tragedy.

You have killed all the Indians you don't need guns anymore.

Do you think this killer would have decided not to stab 3 guys and run people over with his car if all guns were banned?

[brassmonkey]

the idiots that want to take guns can leave. most people follow the law.

[Cherry7]

Individual crimes are no way to come to sensible conclusions about laws.

Dangerous weapons are best kept out of the way.

That how most civilised countries have cut down on violent deaths.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Individual crimes are no way to come to sensible conclusions about laws.

Dangerous weapons are best kept out of the way.

That how most civilised countries have cut down on violent deaths.

Most civilized countries were formed by committing gun violence.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Individual crimes are no way to come to sensible conclusions about laws.

Dangerous weapons are best kept out of the way.

That how most civilised countries have cut down on violent deaths.

go eat sum fuckin crumpets muther fucker

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash

One of the victim's fathers was blaming the NRA. I feel sooo bad for the father but he is so brainwashed it is scary.

He's not brainwashed at all. He most likely gave little thought to gun violence or gun control; It just didn't affect him one way or another. He sent his child off to college. Suddenly your right (our right) to own firearms resulted directly in his child being killed. A simple law that states "anyone in the care of a mental health counselor is prohibited by buying or owning firearms" would have saved his daughter's life.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why are people talking abut gun control being the solution when the guy stabbed 3 other guys to death before he left his apartment?
He then ran some people over with his car.

What's up with the selective condemnation of weapons used in the killings?

Are anti-gun people simply blind?


Disclaimer : I just wanted to try the rant prefix selector.

The same reason every time there is one of these shootings the right blame video games and movies..

The left blames guns, the right blames video game & movies. This is nothing new..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

A simple law that states "anyone in the care of a mental health counselor is prohibited by buying or owning firearms" would have saved his daughter's life.

That is completely outrageous. So anyone seeing a therapist for any reason has to relinquish the firearms they already own to get therapy? are you not seeing the glaring problem with that?


come on! I think you can and you're being trolly, that's a good 1

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That is completely outrageous. So anyone seeing a therapist for any reason has to relinquish the firearms they already own to get therapy? are you not seeing the glaring problem with that?


come on! I think you can and you're being trolly, that's a good 1

Well I think he was in therapy long before he purchased his guns, but the problem is he was posting shit about killing himself and others months before this happened. Any idiot that does that should not be allowed to legally own a weapon, thats just common sense as far as I'm concerned.

[blackmonsters]

Maybe youtube is responsible; I mean the guy had plenty of down votes on his vid before the shooting.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Well I think he was in therapy long before he purchased his guns, but the problem is he was posting shit about killing himself and others months before this happened. Any idiot that does that should not be allowed to legally own a weapon, thats just common sense as far as I'm concerned.

I was speaking to the overall application of the idea that we should require people to not have any firearms before they see a mental health therapist.

But to your point, it's far from common sense. And it's not a 2nd amendment issue, it's a fundamental property rights issue. You can't have mental health people dictating who gets to own what based on the pseudo-science known as psychotherapy.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I was speaking to the overall application of the idea that we should require people to not have any firearms before they see a mental health therapist.

But to your point, it's far from common sense. And it's not a 2nd amendment issue, it's a fundamental property rights issue. You can't have mental health people dictating who gets to own what based on the pseudo-science known as psychotherapy.

So you see nothing wrong with allowing some guy posting that he is going to kill people to have weapons because its a property rights issue?

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash

How about blaming the kid? Not once in his speech did he blame the kid for what happened. It was all about gun control and the NRA.

The kid was a loony with mental issues.

The fact he could get access to guns with a shit load of ammo so easily is the problem...

[_Richard_]

but brainwashing doesn't exist.. no..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

So you see nothing wrong with allowing some guy posting that he is going to kill people to have weapons because its a property rights issue?

no, I see a concern there, certainly. I'm saying it's not common sense to take away personal property rights of everyone due to this dipshit posting youtubes.

drawing the line and who draws it here is entirely subjective, and consequently not fair or right. Say for instance a wannabe stand up comic not yet discovered posts his stand up routine that includes a bit about killing people. Say for instance someone temporarily upset vents his frustration and moves on with his day.

They will both get a bang on the door later by authorities that will enter the premises, search it and confiscate belongings?

All because of 1 guy- that's not common sense.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

The kid was a loony with mental issues.

The fact he could get access to guns with a shit load of ammo so easily is the problem...

what if he was just angry?

[dyna mo]

here's a list of individual freedoms as outlined in the Constitution some of y'all think we should all give up due to this guy.

1. freedom of speech.
-can't say what you want to your therapist or on youtube

2. right to privacy.
-the police can enter your home at any time and seize your possessions

3. right to own personal property
-is relinquished.

and all of this before any gun was ever even used, brandished, nada.

[KaliC]

Fuck that, if the kids there had a gun he would of got shot faster.

[_Richard_]

http://laist.com/2014/05/24/7_dead_i...ar.php#photo-1

seems the guy was shooting people? can't find any reference to knives

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://laist.com/2014/05/24/7_dead_i...ar.php#photo-1

seems the guy was shooting people? can't find any reference to knives

http://www.mercurynews.com/immigrati...a-rampage-grew

Three fatal stabbing victims in Santa Barbara hailed from Bay Area

[dyna mo]

Sheriff's investigators said they believed Rodger killed those three victims before going on a shooting rampage in Isla Vista around 9:25 p.m. on Friday. The latter part of the attacks involved Rodger using his BMW as a battering ram against an Alamo man who was cruising on a skateboard -- breaking both his legs.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

http://www.mercurynews.com/immigrati...a-rampage-grew

Three fatal stabbing victims in Santa Barbara hailed from Bay Area

strange it would be stabbing for the first part, and all the shooting after

hmm

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

strange it would be stabbing for the first part, and all the shooting after

hmm

He stabs 3 in the apartment so he doesn't make noise so he can go out and shoot other people.

WTF.

[Seth Manson]

Lets punish the millions of law-abiding citizens over just a small select few that become criminals.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Lets punish the millions of law-abiding citizens over just a small select few that become criminals.

There is more than few

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Lets punish the millions of law-abiding citizens over just a small select few that become criminals.

A person not owning a GUN is being punished ??

'Merica. What a country...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

http://www.mercurynews.com/immigrati...a-rampage-grew

Three fatal stabbing victims in Santa Barbara hailed from Bay Area

edit double

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He stabs 3 in the apartment so he doesn't make noise so he can go out and shoot other people.

WTF.

well, and then the ramming.. when all this is stated to be a 'drive by'?

[seeandsee]

that talks will happen after every shoutout spree

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Lets punish the millions of law-abiding citizens over just a small select few that become criminals.

I always see people say this but never really get it, the only laws I've seen pushed for at the federal level have been criminal and mental health background checks on all gun purchases, and most recently someone wanted to start sell a smart gun where you had to be wearing some sort of bracelet thing to be able to fire the gun. Both of these things the NRA an gun rights pepole have opposed... how exactly is saying we don't give guns to criminals and peopple with diagnosed mental conditions guns or saying if you want to buy this gun you can.... "punishing millions of law abiding citizens"?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by jdubs1982

I always see people say this but never really get it, the only laws I've seen pushed for at the federal level have been criminal and mental health background checks on all gun purchases, and most recently someone wanted to start sell a smart gun where you had to be wearing some sort of bracelet thing to be able to fire the gun. Both of these things the NRA an gun rights pepole have opposed... how exactly is saying we don't give guns to criminals and peopple with diagnosed mental conditions guns or saying if you want to buy this gun you can.... "punishing millions of law abiding citizens"?

do you think criminals would respect laws saying they can't have guns?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by jdubs1982

I always see people say this but never really get it, the only laws I've seen pushed for at the federal level have been criminal and mental health background checks on all gun purchases, and most recently someone wanted to start sell a smart gun where you had to be wearing some sort of bracelet thing to be able to fire the gun. Both of these things the NRA an gun rights pepole have opposed... how exactly is saying we don't give guns to criminals and peopple with diagnosed mental conditions guns or saying if you want to buy this gun you can.... "punishing millions of law abiding citizens"?

Yeah, I always reach for my bracelet during a home invasion robbery.

One time I was already shot and my wife grabbed the gun to kill the burglar but it didn't fire because I still had the bracelet on.
We both died.

[TrashyGirl]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I have no issue with there being more controls in place. Background checks, ownership-training-and-usage certificate requirements, etc. No issue for me at all. It's the idiots screaming about banning all guns right across the board every time some psycho goes off his nut that I take issue with.

Agree. But even if tighter controls over gun purchases or large quantity ammo purchases were mandated, if someone with criminal intent wants a gun, chances are they'll be able to buy one *privately*.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's a good question, man, it is odd to me also. It seems to boil down to the old debate of guns don't kill people, people kill people, they think the gun killed those people.

It's the same peeps who want to relinquish more of their freedoms based on psychology.

So maybe it's a deflection from the fact that psychology failed here. This guy was immersed in psycho-therapy- multiple therapists, daily sessions, family participation, police interviews.

not one bit of that neither 1) helped the guy nor 2) intervened on the murderous rampage.


yet the anti-gunners want psychologists to decide personal property matters.

I've been keeping a very close eye on my .45 for a few years, ever since I was told 'guns kill people'.. my .45 has not killed anyone yet, but no worries, I'll keep watching...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

A person not owning a GUN is being punished ??

'Merica. What a country...

how about the gov takes all your booze, because a few people abuse the product? booze certainly kills more people than guns

[crockett]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He stabs 3 in the apartment so he doesn't make noise so he can go out and shoot other people.

WTF.

Actually it was a combination of luck and the fact he was a bad shot as to why there wasn't more gun shot victims. He obviously killed the first 3 with knifes in order to stay quiet to go on his mass killing spree.

He tried to get into the sorority house but the door was locked and no one let him in. Had he gotten inside it's almost certain there would of been many more gun shot fatalities. Instead he was forced to improvise and in doing so he hit very few people he shot at and most were injured/killed via his car.

Just think if the guy had been a good shot and had actually practiced.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

Actually it was a combination of luck and the fact he was a bad shot as to why there wasn't more gun shot victims. He obviously killed the first 3 with knifes in order to stay quiet to go on his mass killing spree.

He tried to get into the sorority house but the door was locked and no one let him in. Had he gotten inside it's almost certain there would of been many more gun shot fatalities. Instead he was forced to improvise and in doing so he hit very few people he shot at and most were injured/killed via his car.

Just think if the guy had been a good shot and had actually practiced.

Just think if he had left the gun at home and gotten into the sorority house with a knife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck

At 11:00 p.m. on July 13, 1966, Speck broke into a townhouse located at 2319 East 100th Street in the Jeffery Manor neighborhood of Chicago. It was functioning as a dormitory for several young student nurses. Armed with only a knife (the Illinois Supreme Court opinion recounting the facts of the case reports that the defendant appeared at the door of the townhouse holding a gun[7]), he then killed most of the young women

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

do you think criminals would respect laws saying they can't have guns?

Then why do we have any laws, if we only have rules and laws that nobody will break lets.. i don't know legalize drunk driving? There's no crime that is totally prevented by having a law, but what is the rational argument for not having background checks? Who are all these sane legal gun owners who would be negatively impacted by making it harder for criminals and the mentally ill to get guns?

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah, I always reach for my bracelet during a home invasion robbery.

One time I was already shot and my wife grabbed the gun to kill the burglar but it didn't fire because I still had the bracelet on.
We both died.

Then don't buy a smart gun, I don't really care one way or the other. I don't understand why if you think a smart gun is stupid then that means they should never be sold, which is the NRA's position.

As for your stupid wife comment....What happens if you go downstairs with the gun, get shot? And your wife can't defend herself because she can't magically make the gun telaport to her? You could just buy two guns, or don't buy a smart gun. I don't really care. My question is why woudl the NRA oppose them, and backgorund checks under the guise of "protecting legal gun owners"?

[MediaGuy]

Even if they had background checks and the whole gamut of validation requirements that they should have anyway, this guy would have been able to get all the firepower he wanted.

He was never committed, hospitalized or otherwise legally obliged to undergo therapy, his criminal record was clean. He'd been seeing psychiatrists on and off throughout his teen years, counselors and "life coaches" - everything his parents and cultural environment could buy to keep his record "clean".

Apparently he took Xanax, but no word on whether it was short-acting or extended use, or if he just stopped using the stuff all of a sudden. But it would seem he was planning this "Retribution" last year and it was delayed by a busted ankle and surgery.

Either way, no gun law short of an outright ban could have stopped him from pulling this off.

:D