CCbill...still doing it for you or dead in the water?

[smoothballs]

Personally its not improving! How many have started dropping them? More and more sponsors are going over to nats/epoch whatever! So means more link changes ect when a sponsor changes over, getting to the point where I cannot be arsed!

[smoothballs]

obviously everyone has left the sinking ship compared to views and replies! lol!

[Harmon]

edgeprod is still doing well. Here is a picture of him checking out his stats

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Harmon

edgeprod is still doing well. Here is a picture of him checking out his stats

By the look on his face it was only a rather disappointing 5 figure day

[DWB]

CCbill is fine. Maybe you just need new sites to push.

[Best-In-BC]

getting 4-10 sales a day :D

[SBJ]

ccbill is still paying my bills for 10 years as a program owner and 13+ years as a affiliate promoting 85% ccbill sites..

[xXXtesy10]

[Useless Warrior]

A switch to NATS in no way indicates that a sponsor has stopped using CCBill.

[Best-In-BC]

I posted that and got 0 sales yesterday, lol

[anexsia]

I get good rebills through CCBill

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

I posted that and got 0 sales yesterday, lol

Was scrubbing hard yesterday (or something), I got a 0 too, first day I've had that with CCBill in a long time. They are so so big that there's probably not much they can do, they have to keep within their chargeback limits

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by smoothballs

Personally its not improving! How many have started dropping them? More and more sponsors are going over to nats/epoch whatever! So means more link changes ect when a sponsor changes over, getting to the point where I cannot be arsed!

Not this again. If your sales suck, don't blame your processor. Blame yourself. CCBill is rock-solid and has been in the industry forever. If you think its their fault because your sales are low you should fire yourself from your own company.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by DWB

CCbill is fine. Maybe you just need new sites to push.

Still the biggest/best/most stable 3rd party biller there is.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Still the biggest/best/most stable 3rd party biller there is.

biggest yes, best no, most stable no....

A lot of drama about ccbill here that i don't hear about epoch.... just saying...

[dooglas]

My sales and rebills are fine with Ccbill. They are like a rock with me.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by smoothballs

Personally its not improving! How many have started dropping them? More and more sponsors are going over to nats/epoch whatever! So means more link changes ect when a sponsor changes over, getting to the point where I cannot be arsed!

Oh, look, it is another fake nick sock puppet slagging a biller.

(1) Epoch can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(2) NATS can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(3) Why is it that all of the biller complainers like you are fake nicks with no sig? If you are a surfer and not an affiliate or sponsor or other actual webmaster, how about you quit attacking the financial lifeblood of this industry.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Oh, look, it is another fake nick sock puppet slagging a biller.

(1) Epoch can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(2) NATS can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(3) Why is it that all of the biller complainers like you are fake nicks with no sig? If you are a surfer and not an affiliate or sponsor or other actual webmaster, how about you quit attacking the financial lifeblood of this industry.

[Cherry7]

CCBILL the only business in adult that really works well.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

biggest yes, best no, most stable no....

A lot of drama about ccbill here that i don't hear about epoch.... just saying...

anyone willing to deal with small timers will always have drama.
As has been mentioned before, small, limited knowledge, webmasters always blame the biller for bad stats.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Oh, look, it is another fake nick sock puppet slagging a biller.

(1) Epoch can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(2) NATS can import CCBill links if a sponsor migrates, so affiliates do not need to swap links.

(3) Why is it that all of the biller complainers like you are fake nicks with no sig? If you are a surfer and not an affiliate or sponsor or other actual webmaster, how about you quit attacking the financial lifeblood of this industry.

I don't think he is a fake nick. He seems like just another honest affiliate who has been hit by the downfall of the industry to me. I used to trade with a few of his sites once upon a time.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=720502

You have to realize that just because the links can be imported doesn't mean the sponsor will bother or that it is done correctly. Every time this happens an affiliate usually loses money. It's pretty frustrating and it's probably yet another reason why so many affiliates left the adult pay site industry.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

anyone willing to deal with small timers will always have drama.
As has been mentioned before, small, limited knowledge, webmasters always blame the biller for bad stats.

I'm not talking about sales.... I believe that paysites convert or not... processors have little to do with that... So if someone is making no sales it's stupid to blame the processor.

Regarding to CCBill i'm talking about all the other issues people here talk about. I mean...
how difficult is it to load proper stats? Regarding to that it's not correct to state they are the best and most stable.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Oh, look, it is another fake nick sock puppet slagging a biller.

No, sorry - I dont tend to get involved in this kinda thread, but 'SmoothBalls' is a real person whom I'm sure I've met IRL...

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I don't think he is a fake nick.

Correct...

[The Porn Nerd]

CCBill is a fine company, VERY stable, and everyone I deal with there (my personal Rep, the Support staff, accounting) are stellar people who do their absolute best to help and resolve issues. I have been with them for 5+ years.

Epoch is ALSO a stellar company with fine people working there who also go the extra mile to help and resolve any issues. I am fortunate to be with both companies and very grateful for all they have done for my business.

BUT (you knew a 'but' was coming)...saying processers have no effect on sales is quite ridiculous. We all know scrubs can go up (way up) and down and this will affect daily throughput and sales. It just DOES and I don't want to hear anyone trying to tell me it doesn't. LOL Sorry, but I am stubborn after of years of data and millions of dollars in generated revenue.

BUT (another 'but'!)...that's the price of admission people. DEAL WITH IT. I have learned to do exactly this: deal with it. Every company MUST do what it MUST do to stay in business, and if that means the scrub gets turned up a notch every now and then, so be it. Simply factor that element into the price of doing business, move on and STOP BLAMING PROCESSERS.

</rant>

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I don't think he is a fake nick. He seems like just another honest affiliate who has been hit by the downfall of the industry to me. I used to trade with a few of his sites once upon a time.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=720502

You have to realize that just because the links can be imported doesn't mean the sponsor will bother or that it is done correctly. Every time this happens an affiliate usually loses money. It's pretty frustrating and it's probably yet another reason why so many affiliates left the adult pay site industry.

I totally agree. There have been some real scumbag sponsors out there who have deliberately not done the work to make affiliate accounts import correctly and give affiliates credit for joins. If a sponsor migrates to NATS and tells affiliates to re-signup, I hope folks have the sense to know a sponsor who burned them with a 3rd party biller is not to be trusted when they are standalone.

Every time I do anything on one of my sites where I do affiliate sales, I come across yet more links which are either dead or at least not making me money. This is infuriating.

However . . .

I do not believe it is the biller's fault and all the biller-bashing threads concern me because they are flat out bad for the industry.

These threads do seem to usually be started by the sig-less and I think it is tasteless to bash someone else's business, while hiding one's own. I apologize for my fake nick comment, however, if smoothballs is a real person.

I do think we can all agree that we don't need it to get any more difficult to make a dollar.

[wehateporn]

This

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

CCBill is a fine company, VERY stable, and everyone I deal with there (my personal Rep, the Support staff, accounting) are stellar people who do their absolute best to help and resolve issues. I have been with them for 5+ years.

Epoch is ALSO a stellar company with fine people working there who also go the extra mile to help and resolve any issues. I am fortunate to be with both companies and very grateful for all they have done for my business.

BUT (you knew a 'but' was coming)...saying processers have no effect on sales is quite ridiculous. We all know scrubs can go up (way up) and down and this will affect daily throughput and sales. It just DOES and I don't want to hear anyone trying to tell me it doesn't. LOL Sorry, but I am stubborn after of years of data and millions of dollars in generated revenue.

BUT (another 'but'!)...that's the price of admission people. DEAL WITH IT. I have learned to do exactly this: deal with it. Every company MUST do what it MUST do to stay in business, and if that means the scrub gets turned up a notch every now and then, so be it. Simply factor that element into the price of doing business, move on and STOP BLAMING PROCESSERS.

</rant>

[deltav]

Originally Posted by smoothballs

Personally its not improving! How many have started dropping them? More and more sponsors are going over to nats/epoch whatever!

Sometimes I wonder if some of y'alls are as big drama queens in real life as on here.

What about CCBill indicates that they're remotely "dead in the water"? All of us who've been doing this for a while can recognize the warning signs when a processor is floundering, I haven't seen any of this from CCBill. Not even a hint. The irony is, they've been providing a higher quality and more productive client-friendly service than 90% of the people here bitching about them.

While there are a couple things they could stand to do better (one could say this about any company), I've found as PN said when contacted directly their client support often goes above & beyond expectations.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

BUT (you knew a 'but' was coming)...saying processers have no effect on sales is quite ridiculous. We all know scrubs can go up (way up) and down and this will affect daily throughput and sales.

"no effect on sales" is something different then processors responsible for a site to convert or not.

[Useless Warrior]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

These threads do seem to usually be started by the sig-less...

Non-sigwhores aren't real?

[Socks]

Amelia G, just wanted to say thank you for defending the industry on GFY lately when it comes to billing. You're absolutely right, and I appreciate your efforts. Where would we be without a company like CCBill? What if ALL we had was shady pop-up-shop type billers that we recycle every year and lose a lot of money every time? I mean...

When I had to choose a 3rd party biller, the choice was obvious to use CCBill.

However.. When integrating, my smart programmer started to question some of the security practices that CCBill employs, and he's likely right. A lot of their stuff is really antiquated, and you just can't have that kind of attitude when it comes to security. There's a lot of smart hacker kiddies out there, and you have to try and keep up with them. I don't think CCBill has done enough in that area.

My stance on that is I'm in the same boat with some people that have much larger companies than I do, and until they complain it's just going to be like this. There's really no value in me trying to be a white knight and attempt to fix something like that in vain.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

"no effect on sales" is something different then processors responsible for a site to convert or not.

I absolutely agree. If a site is not converting at all then it's not the biller's fault, there's something wrong with the content, design, something. But if you have a proven site(s) with consistent daily sales at whatever level then it's easier to spot patterns.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Socks

Amelia G, just wanted to say thank you for defending the industry on GFY lately when it comes to billing. You're absolutely right, and I appreciate your efforts. Where would we be without a company like CCBill? What if ALL we had was shady pop-up-shop type billers that we recycle every year and lose a lot of money every time? I mean...

hmmm... like how the real world is? Example: GE pays their employees each and every week... adult is not capable? They need someone to *watch* over them? The hard truth is they do