CCbill vs Epoch

[CashGina]

Best billing for pay site?
CCbill vs Epoch
Who is better?
Why many people choose CCbill?
Interested in your opinion ...

[BIGTYMER]

CCBill if you want to run a CCBill based affiliate program.

[wehateporn]

If you want plenty of affiliates you'll need CCBill, as a lot won't bother if they see Epoch. That's not to say Epoch are not good, it's just that affiliates are lazy and most are already promoting many programs under CCBill

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by CashGina

Best billing for pay site?
CCbill vs Epoch
Who is better?
Why many people choose CCbill?
Interested in your opinion ...

Both. If you don't use both in a cascade in this day and age you're fucking mental.

I'd put Epoch as primary because their throughput and retention is better.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

CCBill if you want to run a CCBill based affiliate program.

... and Epoch if you want to run a Epoch based affiliate program.

[freecartoonporn]

for payment processing epoch.
for loads of affiliate ccbill.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

for payment processing epoch.
for loads of affiliate ccbill.

why do you think they two are mutually exclusive?

they cascade.

use both.

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

why do you think they two are mutually exclusive?

they cascade.

use both.

yes, i agree with you, you said to put epoch as first.

they both have few plus and downs.

but here is how i think.

ccbill .
+many affiliates trust ccbill as they are previously promoting ccbill programs.
-strong scrubbing logic
-slow loading forms (sometimes)
-poor stats section.
-processing for variety of card types.

epoch
+good processing and retention rate
+processing for variety of card types
-not much programs using epoch's affiliate program so i would think twice before joining epoch affiliate program, as a webmaster.

if you put epoch first and use epoch affiliate program, low affiliates.
if you put ccbill first and use ccbill afiliate program, low sales(scrubbing).
i am not sure but i think you cant add epoch as a cascade in ccbill admin there is only segpay.

OP: if you have affiliate tracking software then cascade is the best option with epoch first.


damn i am confused now.
if i am wrong at some place please correct me , i am still learning every day,

thanks for your time.

[ggrrssyydik]

Im using epoch now, but would like to see if I can use ccbil for affiliates only, if thats possible. Ill look into this for sure.

[2MuchMark]

If possible, use both billing processors. Both are excellent and offer a ton of features and services.

[Chosen]

Both

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

if you put epoch first and use epoch affiliate program, low affiliates.
if you put ccbill first and use ccbill afiliate program, low sales(scrubbing).

OK, you're confused.

You set up your affiliate prog with CCBill. You add Epoch to the cascade.

Now, affiliates will get paid out whomever processes the sale. If it's an Epoch sale, if it's CCBill sale, no matter.

You put Epoch as primary because they are better with throughput and retention.

All stats work, everyone gets paid, you get more money.

It really is that simple.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ggrrssyydik

Im using epoch now, but would like to see if I can use ccbil for affiliates only, if thats possible. Ill look into this for sure.

Yes.

If you want to, but it stupid as the CCBill affs will not get the benefit of the cascade.

But, if you want you have two tours. One CCBill for affs, one Epoch for you.

It's been working like this for YEARS.

[ggrrssyydik]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Yes.

If you want to, but it stupid as the CCBill affs will not get the benefit of the cascade.

But, if you want you have two tours. One CCBill for affs, one Epoch for you.

It's been working like this for YEARS.

So what would you recommend. I assume it would be too confusing to use both as payment process. (if that is even possible) Is there a setting or a program im missing here?
Im new to this if you havent noticed.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Yes.

If you want to, but it stupid as the CCBill affs will not get the benefit of the cascade.

But, if you want you have two tours. One CCBill for affs, one Epoch for you.

It's been working like this for YEARS.

We do exactly this, but with cascades on each set of tours. Affiliates can choose whether they prefer Epoch or CCBill and the CCBill tours cascade to Epoch and the Epoch tours cascade to CCBill. If something happens to either processor, you still have a base.

[dgraves]

I was cascading from CCBill to Epoch but after a year, not enough sales were going though Epoch to justify the Visa charge and extra effort so now I use CCBill exclusively.

[Triple-A]

Epoch don't allow us to stop customers using stupid, sharable passcodes... my only real gripe with Epoch.

[The Porn Nerd]

Both Epoch and CCBill are fine companies. I use both for my network and highly recommend both comapnies.

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

OK, you're confused.

You set up your affiliate prog with CCBill. You add Epoch to the cascade.

Now, affiliates will get paid out whomever processes the sale. If it's an Epoch sale, if it's CCBill sale, no matter.

You put Epoch as primary because they are better with throughput and retention.

All stats work, everyone gets paid, you get more money.

It really is that simple.

thanks DamianJ,

it clears my confusion.

imho this is the best scenario, use ccbill program and do cascade while epoch is the first.

thanks

[CHMOD]

Use CCBill's affiliate program. Set up with Sliiing and then use Epoch or CCBill as you wish. Sliiing will take care of the rest.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

epoch
-not much programs using epoch's affiliate program so i would think twice before joining epoch affiliate program, as a webmaster.

Depends by program type. Epoch it is more popular than CCbill for cam programs, for ex. you find Epoch (and no ccbill) in myfreecams, chaturbate, streamate, tubecamgirl and so on.

[BNMedia]

I recently moved primary processing to Epoch for reasons I've mentioned several times on this board.
I still use CCBill / NATS combo for my affiliate program. I also have an Epoch affiliate program but none of my CCBill affiliates have taken the invite to take a look so far, which is a shame as I believe Epochstats is much better than people think.
I have different tours for type-in traffic and each respective affiliate program. I use NATS to cascade using Epoch - CCBill - Verotel for type-in traffic only with no cascading in the affiliate program join forms.

[2intense]

CCBill .

[Kenny B!]

Segpay... look into them, best support both sales and tech out of any billing company.

Verotel is another people overlook and shouldn't, there are many options. Bigger isn't always better.

[Miss Hybrid]

If there any more recent threads/ posts on this topic could you let me have the link please.

Regards

Miss Hybrid

[Konda]

Originally Posted by Triple-A

Epoch don't allow us to stop customers using stupid, sharable passcodes... my only real gripe with Epoch.

what do you mean "don't allow us"?

Just have your users fill out the user/pass on your join page before you send them to Epoch and you can add any rules you want to the password field.

Or you can just create random passwords in a hidden field and post it to them so the user can't make a password himself.

[PornDude]

Go back to the top. It's 2014 now.

[themason698]

epoch

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by PikaPoka

Go back to the top. It's 2014 now.

I guess epoch nor ccbill worked out for OP

[RyuLion]

CCBill of course....

[lex5555]

I'm a webmaster with few experience.
For now i used Paypal.
In future i'll make a adult website and i already know Paypal doesn't work.
I checked CCbill...but it's not easy like Paypal.
Does anyone know a easy payment processing like Paypal but available also for adult site?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by lex5555

I'm a webmaster with few experience.
For now i used Paypal.
In future i'll make a adult website and i already know Paypal doesn't work.
I checked CCbill...but it's not easy like Paypal.
Does anyone know a easy payment processing like Paypal but available also for adult site?

You bumped this super old thread, so my psychic powers suggest you are about to spam an alternative billing solution.

[DamianJ]

Spidey sense tingling

[Porko]

Originally Posted by CashGina

Best billing for pay site?
CCbill vs Epoch
Who is better?
Why many people choose CCbill?
Interested in your opinion ...

CCBILL Is SO much better.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Both Epoch and CCBill are fine companies. I use both for my network and highly recommend both comapnies.

I would like to take this opportunity to correct a spelling error:

Companies.

Whew! I feel better now.
Carry on.

[bravo99]

In 2016, for a new small pay site owner, which do you all suggest for a biller. ccbill or epoch? Epoch does have the paypal option, but ccbill has the reputation. Which one for 2016 for a newbie?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you want plenty of affiliates you'll need CCBill, as a lot won't bother if they see Epoch. That's not to say Epoch are not good, it's just that affiliates are lazy and most are already promoting many programs under CCBill

Since I posted in this in 2012, I am now equally a fan of both Epoch and CCBill

[nikki99]

Verotel

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Both Epoch and CCBill are fine companies. I use both for my network and highly recommend both comapnies.

COMPANIES.

That's been bugging me for four years. :D

EDIT: Two years.

(Hey, at least I'm consistent.)

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you want plenty of affiliates you'll need CCBill, as a lot won't bother if they see Epoch. That's not to say Epoch are not good, it's just that affiliates are lazy and most are already promoting many programs under CCBill

100% true as I am concerned. When I see epoch I simply close the window. Tried to send some clicks to programs but never made sale. Not much but with ccbill sites I would definitely make sales at that point. And those are not bad sites at all.