Supreme Court: Obama violated the Constitution

[Sly]

Blame the Republicans, on three?

Hey by the way, this opinion was unanimous.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ments/8528059/

[Best-In-BC]

lol, Nice trolling title

[brassmonkey]

i had a big ass deli samich 4 lunch with a BevMo! Growler full of beer

[dyna mo]

**********:

[~Ray]

good for them to do the right thing no matter how poorly it may pay.

[Rochard]

More fun with politics.

Next up, they are taking the president to court. yea.

[wehateporn]

[2MuchMark]

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell hailed the ruling. "The president made an unprecedented power grab by placing political allies at a powerful federal agency while the Senate was meeting regularly and without even bothering to wait for its advice and consent," he said. "A unanimous Supreme Court has rejected this brazen power-grab."

Kind of a dumb move by Obama for sure, but typical, insane statement by McConnell. You know know that he and his cronies have viagra-sized boners right about now. Oh well.

Let the impeachment begin!

[mineistaken]

Impeach the Kenyan.

[TampaToker]

So if he would of waited for 7 more days then all would of been good?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

More fun with politics.

Next up, they are taking the president to court. yea.

When you say "they" you are referring to the private business that created this lawsuit right?

that's how this case made it to the SC

Pepsi bottler Noel Canning of Yakima, Wash., which contested a 2012 decision of the labor board dominated by Obama's recess appointees. It won more than it bargained for at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which ruled that such appointments are constitutional only when vacancies occur and are filled during the annual break between congressional sessions.

That's a more literal reading of the Constitution, one that Scalia endorsed in his opinion, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

[kane]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

So if he would of waited for 7 more days then all would of been good?

Kind of.

Here is my understanding of how this worked. The Senate goes on a recess during the winter holidays (Christmas, New Years, etc.). During this recess Obama appointed three members to the National Labor Board. As it turns out Senate republicans set up a tactic where they had some members appear and "gavel in" which basically means they are present, but they don't carry out any business. This is what they call a pro-forma session and they argued that it meant they were in session during this time.

Obama's administration argued that since there were three days between each of these sessions it still counted as a recess and the appointments were good. The republicans argued that this was not the case. The court ruled for the republicans and also stated that a recess must be when they are not in session for at least 10 days.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Ronald Reagan made 232 recess appointments during his eight years in office. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush each made well more than 100. In 1903, Theodore Roosevelt made more than 160 recess appointments during one short break between congressional sessions.

After being frustrated by three years of Republican opposition to some nominees, Obama opened 2012 by naming three members to the quorum-starved National Labor Relations Board while the Senate was gaveling in and out every 72 hours, usually without conducting any business.

ADG

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

Kind of.

Here is my understanding of how this worked. The Senate goes on a recess during the winter holidays (Christmas, New Years, etc.). During this recess Obama appointed three members to the National Labor Board. As it turns out Senate republicans set up a tactic where they had some members appear and "gavel in" which basically means they are present, but they don't carry out any business. This is what they call a pro-forma session and they argued that it meant they were in session during this time.

Obama's administration argued that since there were three days between each of these sessions it still counted as a recess and the appointments were good. The republicans argued that this was not the case. The court ruled for the republicans and also stated that a recess must be when they are not in session for at least 10 days.

Where do you get the part about the court ruled for the republicans? the court ruled for the plaintiffs, in this case, it was a pepsi co bottling subsidiary.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Where do you get the part about the court ruled for the republicans? the court ruled for the plaintiffs, in this case, it was a pepsi co bottling subsidiary.

Please don't pretend to be naive. Pepsi filed the suit because they were unhappy with one of the people Obama appointed. If you don't think the republican leadership was behind that and that this isn't a huge win for the republicans you need to take your blinders off.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by kane

Please don't pretend to be naive. Pepsi filed the suit because they were unhappy with one of the people Obama appointed. If you don't think the republican leadership was behind that and that this isn't a huge win for the republicans you need to take your blinders off.

It was a straight up unanimous decision. Even the Democrat Justices said that he was pushing it.

You can cry about Republicans all you want, but when every single Justice says that what was done was incorrect and against the Constitution (something that Obama, as a constitutional law Prof., should know like the back of his hand) you really have to scratch your head.

Who has the blinders on?

[Vendzilla]

The bummer of all this is that because Obama doesn't like to follow the constitution, everything that those labor appointments ruled on during their short careers will now be looked at as invalid. This will cause a major problem for the appointments that will come in the future.
This will also add to the case that the Boehner (if allowed) is building against the president.

Obama must have known he was breaking the constitution, he is a lawyer

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

When you say "they" you are referring to the private business that created this lawsuit right?

that's how this case made it to the SC

This is part of the political game the Republican party plays when it's loosing.

They did it with Clinton - they intentionally put him into an impossible position and them fucking impeached him. Why - just to smear him and make him look bad? That's bullshit politics at it's lowest.

This is no different. Congress intentionally blocks potential appointees leaving offices unfilled for long periods of time and... The President took action. There is a clause for this exact action in the Constiution:

The president shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.


If I was Obama I wouldn't appoint anyone as director of an agency. Give them a different title and put them in charge and that's that.

When our government is spending most of it's time filing lawsuits there is something seriously fucking wrong.

[crockett]

Wait so the Republicans want to cut jobs? Here I thought they were pro jobs, now they want to take people's jobs away...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

Please don't pretend to be naive. Pepsi filed the suit because they were unhappy with one of the people Obama appointed. If you don't think the republican leadership was behind that and that this isn't a huge win for the republicans you need to take your blinders off.

You're the last person I'd guess to make a shitass reply like this. Nevertheless, there it is, a shit ass reply, this isn't about me.

You can make this a whp conspiracy until your blue state in the fucking face and you couldn't post one single link to prove that.

I'm still very right, this was a civil matter brought to court by a private party, not republicans suing the president in the supreme fucking court, that's about as idiotic a portait one could make of this.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is part of the political game the Republican party plays when it's loosing.

They did it with Clinton - they intentionally put him into an impossible position and them fucking impeached him. Why - just to smear him and make him look bad? That's bullshit politics at it's lowest.

This is no different. Congress intentionally blocks potential appointees leaving offices unfilled for long periods of time and... The President took action. There is a clause for this exact action in the Constiution:

The president shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.


If I was Obama I wouldn't appoint anyone as director of an agency. Give them a different title and put them in charge and that's that.

When our government is spending most of it's time filing lawsuits there is something seriously fucking wrong.

no, it's not. th ebottling company felt it was at an unfair advantage based on the labor board rulings, they found a way to deal with that.

you repub conspiracy theorists think repubs made that labor board decision that created the opportunity for pepsico to sue which would automatically take this case to the SC?

that's fucking laughable.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The bummer of all this is that because Obama doesn't like to follow the constitution, everything that those labor appointments ruled on during their short careers will now be looked at as invalid. This will cause a major problem for the appointments that will come in the future.
This will also add to the case that the Boehner (if allowed) is building against the president.

Obama must have known he was breaking the constitution, he is a lawyer

Obama knows exactly what he is doing i know you don't like him but in the long run this might
play out better for us in the long run. When i say us i mean the american people. You think the people are fired up now? Watch how fast immigration reform gets signed

[directfiesta]

Take back your country and send the kenyan back home ... to Hawai !!!!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The bummer of all this is that because Obama doesn't like to follow the constitution, everything that those labor appointments ruled on during their short careers will now be looked at as invalid. This will cause a major problem for the appointments that will come in the future.
This will also add to the case that the Boehner (if allowed) is building against the president.

Obama must have known he was breaking the constitution, he is a lawyer

This ruling could spell the end of all recess appointments. After this ruling we know two things for sure: 1. Pro-forma sessions are considered legitimate sessions and 2. The Senate must be out for at least 10 days for it to be considered a recess.

I won't be shocked if the opposition party makes certain to hold a pro-forma session every nine during any recess from here on out to make certain that no sitting president can make a recess appointment.

[blackmonsters]

Dose the constitution say 10 days or is that a number the court just pulled out of it's ass?

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You're the last person I'd guess to make a shitass reply like this. Nevertheless, there it is, a shit ass reply, this isn't about me.

You can make this a whp conspiracy until your blue state in the fucking face and you couldn't post one single link to prove that.

I'm still very right, this was a civil matter brought to court by a private party, not republicans suing the president in the supreme fucking court, that's about as idiotic a portait one could make of this.

I never said this was the republicans suing the president in the supreme court. I simply said that I felt the republicans were likely behind this legal action. I don't doubt for a minute that republican leaders were likely urging this action on.

Maybe I am wrong.

It doesn't really matter. This, for right now, is a win for the republicans, but they will not be happy about it when it is used against them.

[PornDiscounts-V]

They are allowed to do ass tricks.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

Little George was a busy boy. wow.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Obama knows exactly what he is doing i know you don't like him but in the long run this might
play out better for us in the long run. When i say us i mean the american people. You think the people are fired up now? Watch how fast immigration reform gets signed

Do you really think the president can sign an executive order to pass immigration reform?

Originally Posted by kane

This ruling could spell the end of all recess appointments. After this ruling we know two things for sure: 1. Pro-forma sessions are considered legitimate sessions and 2. The Senate must be out for at least 10 days for it to be considered a recess.

I won't be shocked if the opposition party makes certain to hold a pro-forma session every nine during any recess from here on out to make certain that no sitting president can make a recess appointment.

I think you would be correct

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Little George was a busy boy. wow.

The overall number doesn't matter.

The real question is: Did Bush follow the LAW.
IF he did those during legal recesses then they are perfectly legit.

Pres. Obama did his ILLEGALLY.

ADG's dumb pictures just point out the foolishness that pervades the internet. It doesn't say if Bush's were done legally or illegally. It just throws up a number. Just like the "Executive Orders" graph that Obama's people have been putting all over the place to make it look like he's just doing what everyone else did.

It doesn't tell the whole story.

It's like saying that Bush drove a car 500 times and Obama only drove 5 times. But in this scenario...Bush drove LEGALLY all 500 times while Obama drove without a drivers license or a tag on the car.

[Barry-xlovecam]

GOOD! Throw the bum out -- elect a new bum ...

Constitutional interpretations over political appointments have been argued over for years -- so 10 days is the new test ... OK, move on ... The sideshow is over says SCOTUS ...

</cynicism>

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

GOOD! Throw the bum out -- elect a new bum ...

Constitutional interpretations over political appointments have been argued over for years -- so 10 days is the new test ... OK, move on ... The sideshow is over says SCOTUS ...

</cynicism>

Congress made sure that we always throw the "bums" out as President every 2 terms.

But for themselves? No term limits of course!

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Do you really think the president can sign an executive order to pass immigration reform?

He is going to do it and the republicans know this and are afraid of this. We will have immigration reform by end of September


Sen. Marco Rubio warned House Republicans that if they don't pass a bill, Obama will act on his own: "I believe that this president will be tempted, if nothing happens in Congress," Rubio said, "to issue an executive order as he did for the Dream Act kids 2 years ago, where he basically legalizes 11 million people by the sign of a pen."

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Obama knows exactly what he is doing i know you don't like him but in the long run this might
play out better for us in the long run. When i say us i mean the american people. You think the people are fired up now? Watch how fast immigration reform gets signed

You mean like during the 8 years of the Bush Jr presidency and 6 years of controlling Congress, that they never managed to reform immigration or build their beloved wall on the Mexican boarder?

Then the moment Obama was elected it's was suddenly rage fest about illegal immigration and cowboys carrying guns trying to build walls in Texas and AZ.

It's funny how these things only seem to be issues when Democrats are in office, yet even after 9/11 Bush never managed to secure our boarders while having control of Congress most of the time..

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Obama must have known he was breaking the constitution, he is a lawyer

Believe it or not, I agree with you.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Then the moment Obama was elected it's was suddenly rage fest about illegal immigration and cowboys carrying guns trying to build walls in Texas and AZ.

That whole "Build a wall" thing just blows my mind.

I thought we had a "Cold War" with the Soviet Union and THEY were the "bad guys" for building a "wall" in Germany?

WTF?

People have been crossing the U.S./Mexican border since BEFORE it was the U.S./Mexican border. People should be free to do so.

COULD a "terrorist" "attack" the U.S. from Mexico. Yeah. I guess so.

But the REAL engine driving this whole shit is the stupid "Drug War". It's the cause of all the violence in Mexico. And as usual, our govt. thinks it can just force people to do what it wants them to do.

NEWSFLASH: People have been getting high in one way or another since the beginning of time.
Just because Richard Nixon decided to implement a failed "drug war" 40 something years ago doesn't change that fact.

People will STILL do what they want to do.

And fuck the govt.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That whole "Build a wall" thing just blows my mind.

I thought we had a "Cold War" with the Soviet Union and THEY were the "bad guys" for building a "wall" in Germany?

WTF?

People have been crossing the U.S./Mexican border since BEFORE it was the U.S./Mexican border. People should be free to do so.

Hell i am all for a wall and i would even do a few steps better. I would plant landmines our side of course, Put up automatic turrets that are motion detected to mow anything down that moves and fly drones up and down the board. Watch how fast the illegal crossings stop. Both sides bitch about bad guys coming over the boarder well fucking do something about it

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

Am I reading this right? Every president has done this, but Obama has done it a lot less? And yet still they bitch?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by crockett

You mean like during the 8 years of the Bush Jr presidency and 6 years of controlling Congress, that they never managed to reform immigration or build their beloved wall on the Mexican boarder?

Then the moment Obama was elected it's was suddenly rage fest about illegal immigration and cowboys carrying guns trying to build walls in Texas and AZ.

It's funny how these things only seem to be issues when Democrats are in office, yet even after 9/11 Bush never managed to secure our boarders while having control of Congress most of the time..

They all blowing smoke up our ass man. The right is in fear because they are fighting between internally and do not have a valid candidate for 2016. So they slinging as much mud as they can hoping something will stick

[SmutHammer]

Doesn't matter what Obama does. People will stick up for him, Blinded by their love...lol

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Doesn't matter what Obama does. People will stick up for him, Blinded by their love...lol

[BFT3K]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5534572.html

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Doesn't matter what Obama does. People will stick up for him, Blinded by their love...lol

Ed its hypocritical both sides do it and nothing will change till the system i s fixed. Congress has 535 voting members which have done shit for this country in the last 15 years but put us in debt and trampled our rights and sent our troops to war.

Actually everyone left and right should be happy with what Obama is doing. A lot of these so called rules are made up. Now with these rulings there is a case precedent in place. I got a very strong feeling you going to be seeing a lot more lawsuit's filed against Obama and i am all for it.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Ed its hypocritical both sides do it and nothing will change till the system i s fixed. Congress has 535 voting members which have done shit for this country in the last 15 years but put us in debt and trampled our rights and sent our troops to war.

Actually everyone left and right should be happy with what Obama is doing. A lot of these so called rules are made up. Now with these rulings there is a case precedent in place. I got a very strong feeling you going to be seeing a lot more lawsuit's filed against Obama and i am all for it.

Everyone thinks that I am anti-Obama, That is not the case, I don't agree with a lot of things he does but don't believe he is trying to sabotage our country on purpose. I just fear that many things being done will be irreversible and it is annoying how stuck up his ass many people are. This whole republican/democrat thing is ridiculous and so is everyone who concentrates on it

[Just Alex]

Vendzilla will jizz his laptop screen when he finds out through snail mail on Monday.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Everyone thinks that I am anti-Obama, That is not the case, I don't agree with a lot of things he does but don't believe he is trying to sabotage our country on purpose. I just fear that many things being done will be irreversible and it is annoying how stuck up his ass many people are. This whole republican/democrat thing is ridiculous and so is everyone who concentrates on it

I agree with you for the most part. A lot of blame has to go on the media too. Left and right
media is fueling the fire. The hatred that i see posted is getting out of control. As long as they keep us fighting with each other we don't focus on them.

They throw the word "compromise around like its a bad thing. Shit we all in our daily lives have to make compromises so they have no excuse to not compromise. Well i take that back if they do compromise then they loose all that money they line there pockets with. They all need to go!

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

I agree with you for the most part. A lot of blame has to go on the media too. Left and right
media is fueling the fire. The hatred that i see posted is getting out of control. As long as they keep us fighting with each other we don't focus on them.

They throw the word "compromise around like its a bad thing. Shit we all in our daily lives have to make compromises so they have no excuse to not compromise. Well i take that back if they do compromise then they loose all that money they line there pockets with. They all need to go!

I do not believe much anything from the media after what happened in the elections, Really a disgrace! I'm all for freedom of speech but when it comes to reporting it should have to be unbiased and all true. I don't agree with everything from Romney but feel he was what this country needed. Our country is in debt and needs a business man

[bronco67]

Boehner is suing Obama for trying to get something done because those fucks don't do a damn thing expect block and obstruct.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Boehner is suing Obama for trying to get something done because those fucks don't do a damn thing expect block and obstruct.

Yeah, Fuck the Constitution!


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[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Boehner is suing Obama for trying to get something done because those fucks don't do a damn thing expect block and obstruct.

So you would bow down the almighty King Obama? Because that's what you are saying, saying the the congress doesn't have a vote! It's scary idiots like you get to vote!