a question for anti gun nuts

[Grapesoda]

why do you continually blame human behavior /action on inanimate objects? seems a bit strange to me.... (btw the majority of gun deaths are suicide)

[venus]

because a lot of those gun nuts have human behaviors that are not conducive to inanimate objects such as guns. some examples...a dumbass open carrying a handgun in the phoenix area went to a Wal-Mart, while standing in line to check out he was playing with his gun and ended up shooting a hole in the ceiling. A week ago a 3yr Arizona boy shot and killed his 18-month-old brother using a gun belonging to a neighbor while at the neighbors house. Guns purchased legally have been used in mass killings.

you cant fix stupid, so take away what makes them act stupid...their guns...or make it harder for them to get them.


BTW I have a conceal carry license and carry a glock 27. I am responsible enough to take the class, not just strap on a gun so people can see it and run around Wal-Mart..so many people that do that carry the junkiest looking guns and holsters. Like they ran down to the local goodwill as soon as someone told them they could open carry..losers.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why do you continually blame human behavior /action on inanimate objects? seems a bit strange to me.... (btw the majority of gun deaths are suicide)

I don't blame the gun. What I don't like is the idea that people who are crazy or who are of the mind that they are going to commit a crime having easy access to guns.

The simple fact is that countries that have strict gun control laws also have much lower homicide rates than the US.

I know a lot of people say that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. That isn't necessarily the case. Most guns used in crimes are guns that were at some point stolen from someone. Many of these stolen guns were once legally purchased.

I believe that people should have the right to have a gun to protect themselves. I do, but I don't have any misgivings about it. I understand that the reality is I am much more likely to either not get to the gun in time to protect myself or that the gun will eventually be used against me than I am to actually use it to protect myself. I keep it locked up and get it out only when I go camping or back packing.

I don't have any absurd fantasy that one day the government will be overthrown and the military will turn against the people and my buddies and I, in Red Dawn fashion, will take to the hills and defend our town.

The people that piss me off are the people that leave their guns laying around where they are easily stolen or mishandled by kids and accidents can happen. I am also annoyed by people who own guns that have people in their families/lives that have serious mental issues.

What most people don't know is that most gun crimes are committed with handguns, not semi-automatic rifles. If having an AR 15 is going to give someone a better erection, so be it. I don't give a shit if they own 10 of them, but I think we should have much stricter laws on the selling of handguns.

[MaDalton]

by now a useless discussion - American gun owners will never give in and the rest of the world will shake its head

[arock10]

Because guns are very effective at killing

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

by now a useless discussion - American gun owners will never give in and the rest of the world will shake its head

Strict gun laws seem to work in mexico

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

by now a useless discussion - American gun owners will never give in and the rest of the world will shake its head

Is that because the "rest of the world" can't comprehend the difference between a right and a privilege, as our constitution is unique in that regard? Or perhaps it's because you're speaking for about 7 billion more people than you should.

[georgeyw]

Stats don't lie.....

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Is that because the "rest of the world" can't comprehend the difference between a right and a privilege, as our constitution is unique in that regard? Or perhaps it's because you're speaking for about 7 billion more people than you should.

I heard that constitutions could be changed/edited.

[Verbal]

Where would you draw the line with 'inanimate objects'? Should everyday people be allowed to have grenades, surface to air missiles or fully-loaded tanks?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by kane

I don't blame the gun. What I don't like is the idea that people who are crazy or who are of the mind that they are going to commit a crime having easy access to guns.

The simple fact is that countries that have strict gun control laws also have much lower homicide rates than the US.

perfect example of why we can't trust anti gun nuts

http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_stud...terproductive/

The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661

if you're willing to lie ... what can I say.... you think I want a person like that setting rules and regulations that affect me??

The people that piss me off are the people that leave their guns laying around where they are easily stolen or mishandled by kids and accidents can happen. I am also annoyed by people who own guns that have people in their families/lives that have serious mental issues.

sandyhook is a great example, so lets look at mental health issues not inanimate objects issues

What most people don't know is that most gun crimes are committed with handguns, not semi-automatic rifles. If having an AR 15 is going to give someone a better erection, so be it. I don't give a shit if they own 10 of them, but I think we should have much stricter laws on the selling of handguns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3240065.html

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Because guns are very effective at killing

just like an internet forum is very effective a communication on the internet... do you have a point?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Stats don't lie.....

Anti gun nuts should move to inner city Chicago or Brazil, or Mexico since there are laws in place to protect them from gun violence.

Its almost a given that every gun nut that shoots up a public place in america is on some sort of psych medication, but noone wants to talk about that.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Where would you draw the line with 'inanimate objects'? Should everyday people be allowed to have grenades, surface to air missiles or fully-loaded tanks?

do you have a serious comment? or.. the sun will blow up in 50 million years so what does it matter?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Is that because the "rest of the world" can't comprehend the difference between a right and a privilege, as our constitution is unique in that regard? Or perhaps it's because you're speaking for about 7 billion more people than you should.

i should have said "the rest of the civilized world", in that case it's maybe only 4 billion

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I heard that constitutions could be changed/edited.

You heard right, in fact, the right to own a gun is the 2nd Amendment in our bill of rights amending our constitution.


But that has nothing to do with what I said which was regarding understanding the difference between a right and a privilege as it's defined by our constitution and disrespecting the fact that document has stood the test of time and much much more. And also the attempt to portray that personal view as somehow the exact one 7 billion + people also have is misleading on top of the lack of respect for something that has worked very well over more than a couple hundred years.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i should have said "the rest of the civilized world", in that case it's maybe only 4 billion

Yes, you and 4 billion civilized people have a complete lack of respect for a document that has stood the test of time and by all standards is one of the most powerful and successful documents ever written.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why do you continually blame human behavior /action on inanimate objects? seems a bit strange to me.... (btw the majority of gun deaths are suicide)

Why do you deny all the facts constantly? USA has the highest percent of gun ownership in the industrialized world and yep the highest number of gun related deaths. The good news is gun ownerhsip has been on the decline for decades and with it gun related deaths. You old guys are dying and then the USA can probably get rid of a lot of the stuff that old people worry about.

[MaDalton]

i'll respect the american constitution the moment i become american citizen and/or the US respects other countries constitutions..

and i say that living in a country that survived the german Nazis and the russian Communists within the last 80 years and is usually referred to by americans as "eastern european shithole" or "euro trash" or similar. also usually by people who have never been here nor even have a clue where to find it on a map.

thankfully we have free speech over here as well now and i can express my thoughts the way i want

[dyna mo]

gun ownership at 18 year high

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by slapass

Why do you deny all the facts constantly? USA has the highest percent of gun ownership in the industrialized world and yep the highest number of gun related deaths. The good news is gun ownerhsip has been on the decline for decades and with it gun related deaths. You old guys are dying and then the USA can probably get rid of a lot of the stuff that old people worry about.

Most of the gun violence in the US is black people shooting eachother.

[CamTraffic]

..you should watch "extreme smuggling weapons"
On the AHC channel. A real eye opener

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'll respect the american constitution the moment i become american citizen and/or the US respects other countries constitutions..

and i say that living in a country that survived the german Nazis and the russian Communists within the last 80 years and is usually referred to by americans as "eastern european shithole" or "euro trash" or similar. also usually by people who have never been here nor even have a clue where to find it on a map.

thankfully we have free speech over here as well now and i can express my thoughts the way i want

there you go generalizing again. Which, as you point out, are free to do. Just like I'm free to respectfully point out the problems with those generalizations, which I am doing.

You say you will respect the constitution when the US respects other's. I'm not talking about the government. I'm talking about people.....like me. I respect other countries rights and laws, including Germany's. Just because you think our government sucks doesn't mean it's logical to extend that view to individuals. I don't know anyone who speaks of Germany as the shithole of Europe, it's misleading to suggest Americans usually speak that way about Germany because that's not usual or typical or prevalent from my view as an American.

[BlackCrayon]

simple answer - its not blaming the gun, its blaming the easy access to the gun

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i should have said "the rest of the civilized world", in that case it's maybe only 4 billion

Ma the rights of Americans in America hardly concern you or mark price..

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

simple answer - its not blaming the gun, its blaming the easy access to the gun

I agree with this however how can we trust irresponsible/dishonest people with strange agendas to help set regulations? this is the real question for me...

for example, when the shit comes down it's ban guns, it's not lock up the wackjobs.... see the difference?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'll respect the american constitution the moment i become american citizen and/or the US respects other countries constitutions..

and i say that living in a country that survived the german Nazis and the russian Communists within the last 80 years and is usually referred to by americans as "eastern european shithole" or "euro trash" or similar. also usually by people who have never been here nor even have a clue where to find it on a map.

thankfully we have free speech over here as well now and i can express my thoughts the way i want

we don't have free speech in America any longer

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by slapass

Why do you deny all the facts constantly? USA has the highest percent of gun ownership in the industrialized world and yep the highest number of gun related deaths. The good news is gun ownerhsip has been on the decline for decades and with it gun related deaths. You old guys are dying and then the USA can probably get rid of a lot of the stuff that old people worry about.

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.


--this is my point... you antigun nuts have no interest in facts, only in pushing an agenda at ANY cost.... with little regard for the truth

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there you go generalizing again. Which, as you point out, are free to do. Just like I'm free to respectfully point out the problems with those generalizations, which I am doing.

You say you will respect the constitution when the US respects other's. I'm not talking about the government. I'm talking about people.....like me. I respect other countries rights and laws, including Germany's. Just because you think our government sucks doesn't mean it's logical to extend that view to individuals. I don't know anyone who speaks of Germany as the shithole of Europe, it's misleading to suggest Americans usually speak that way about Germany because that's not usual or typical or prevalent from my view as an American.

ma lives in an east euro shit hole... JK

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

we don't have free speech in America any longer

My Mom has been a lifelong liberal democrat that has always believed in free speech, up until recently. She watches the tele news a lot and after all this racist bs since zimmer, she actually said to me the other day we need to criminalize racist speech, including comedy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

ma lives in an east euro shit hole... JK

That's what everyone is saying.

[directfiesta]

This is why I have no problem with Iran or Hamas having nuclear bombs ( or nukular if you prefer ... ) !

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

This is why I have no problem with Iran or Hamas having nuclear bombs ( or nukular if you prefer ... ) !

you should move there since it's such a beacon of hope for you.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

by now a useless discussion - American gun owners will never give in and the rest of the world will shake its head

This

[dyna mo]

guns = bad

judging, stereotyping and pointing fingers at others' cultures to cast a negative misunderstanding = OK.

got it.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should move there since it's such a beacon of hope for you.

as usual :

PS: nuclear bombs don`t kill people

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

as usual :

PS: nuclear bombs don`t kill people

that's the topic, yes, inanimate objects don't kill people. Congrats on sorting that out for yourself.

[DBS.US]

Drunk Drivers Cause More Deaths Than Firearms.

[brassmonkey]

most people do not shoot people. anyone that wants my guns can get some pistol whipp

[L-Pink]

To those that don't own guns, if the situation arises where you need to defend yourself, your property, your loved ones what's your plan? Or are your situational awareness levels so low you don't see things.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why do you continually blame human behavior /action on inanimate objects? seems a bit strange to me.... (btw the majority of gun deaths are suicide)

[CDSmith]

Gun argument thread #10,867.

I bet if we all keep hammering away at it we can solve the problem once and for all right here on GFY.

Maybe by Christmas.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Is that because the "rest of the world" can't comprehend the difference between a right and a privilege, as our constitution is unique in that regard? Or perhaps it's because you're speaking for about 7 billion more people than you should.

Which well regulated militia do you belong to?

[SongRider]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Gun argument thread #10,867.

I bet if we all keep hammering away at it we can solve the problem once and for all right here on GFY.

Maybe by Christmas.

[femdomdestiny]

US 10.3 dead people on 100k, people
Singapore 0.16 deaths on 100k peple
Japan 0.06 dead people per 100k (strict anti gun laws)
UK 0.25 -dead people per 100k ( also pretty good solution for this mess)
Norway 1.78 per 100 k(someone mentioned Norway above)
Serbia (my country) 3,90 and I don't have a problem to say it is fucking primitive society with so many guns around. Only uncivilized societies need guns in 21 century as far as I am concerned.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by kane

I don't blame the gun. What I don't like is the idea that people who are crazy or who are of the mind that they are going to commit a crime having easy access to guns.

The simple fact is that countries that have strict gun control laws also have much lower homicide rates than the US.

I know a lot of people say that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. That isn't necessarily the case. Most guns used in crimes are guns that were at some point stolen from someone. Many of these stolen guns were once legally purchased.

I believe that people should have the right to have a gun to protect themselves. I do, but I don't have any misgivings about it. I understand that the reality is I am much more likely to either not get to the gun in time to protect myself or that the gun will eventually be used against me than I am to actually use it to protect myself. I keep it locked up and get it out only when I go camping or back packing.

I don't have any absurd fantasy that one day the government will be overthrown and the military will turn against the people and my buddies and I, in Red Dawn fashion, will take to the hills and defend our town.

The people that piss me off are the people that leave their guns laying around where they are easily stolen or mishandled by kids and accidents can happen. I am also annoyed by people who own guns that have people in their families/lives that have serious mental issues.

What most people don't know is that most gun crimes are committed with handguns, not semi-automatic rifles. If having an AR 15 is going to give someone a better erection, so be it. I don't give a shit if they own 10 of them, but I think we should have much stricter laws on the selling of handguns.

Exactly. People act like there's some factory making black market guns. And these mass shootings that keep happening are most of the time done with legally purchased guns, so the illegal gun boogey man goes out the window.

A gun should be a giant pain in the ass to acquire. We can still have them, but even if you're a mentally stable person, you're going to have to jump through hoops. If that could save a life here and there, I can't see why gun nuts can't accept a little compromise.

When you see a knife attack by some homicidal maniac, it's because they couldn't get a hold of a gun. We're not going to stop people from being crazy assholes, but making them find other ways to harm people besides using guns will make rampages more survivable.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

Drunk Drivers Cause More Deaths Than Firearms.

Yep, kind of funny though whenever some drunk plows into a bus and kills 10 people you don't get a group of people saying "see? laws don't work, get rid of drunk driving laws".

[Roald]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

To those that don't own guns, if the situation arises where you need to defend yourself, your property, your loved ones what's your plan? Or are your situational awareness levels so low you don't see things.

Maybe in the US but over here no one ever sees that need.

Edit, I would probably own a gun as a US citizen too but in the rest of the civilized world there is hardly a need

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Roald

Maybe in the US but over here no one ever sees that need.

Edit, I would probably own a gun as a US citizen too but in the rest of the civilized world there is hardly a need

Exactly, I choose to live in a place where I need not worry about that. Could it happen to me of course it could. However I will not live in fear.

What I don't understand is your continued support of guns when your country obviously has a massive problem with gun violence. Anyhow so be it, its your "right"

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Which well regulated militia do you belong to?

the one the Supreme Fucking Court outlined when they interpreted the 2nd Amendment as it applies to modern times.