Opinions on dispute

[Pseudonymous]

Typically i dont bring disputes onto GFY but the general consensus is typically the correct one, so here goes

Person A has models and content, person b is hired to launch websites.

Person b makes it known they would like an out of the box CMS, out of the box everything because its what they know and have been successful with in the past. Person A says they will only do a custom CMS

While person b is working on the paysites, editing content, getting designs made, making promo tools, etc , person a requests they need all the content uploaded to test the cms. person b mentions they are not finished with the content but it will be before launch time but i have uploaded test sample content you can use for testing purposes. weeks go by and person b launches the site with custom cms and there are alot of problems with the cms, about 20-40. person a says it is person b's fault for not uploading the finished product up for testing purposes. what do you guys think?

can you test a banner manager, whether thumbs are being created, can you see if the fhgs are showing up on the affiliate program, without the finished images that the two were launching with on launch day?

im sorry, i mean who is at fault for the delay in the launch and problems during the launch

maybe some programmers can chime in

[SilentKnight]

Person A needs to get rid of Person B - and handle it all.

We did.

Partnerships are like a bag of cats. Seldom ends well.

[Sly]

Person B wanted to do a job a certain way but Person A told them to do it a completely different way that Person B was not comfortable with, Person A is going to need to cut Person B some slack. Custom is great (all of my software is custom) but it is riddled with issues and takes time to get them ironed out.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Person A needs to get rid of Person B - and handle it all.

We did.

Partnerships are like a bag of cats. Seldom ends well.

yes thats recommended when its an option. but lets say both need each other to succeed. lol just for the sake of the debate. i could go into why, but thats off topic

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Sly

Person B wanted to do a job a certain way but Person A told them to do it a completely different way that Person B was not comfortable with, Person A is going to need to cut Person B some slack. Custom is great (all of my software is custom) but it is riddled with issues and takes time to get them ironed out.

my mistake, i meant who is at fault for the delay in the launch. just to be clear, how should person b should have done it differently? you implying person b needed to upload the pictures they'd launch with and not sample content?

you didn't really name either person . lol so trying to get more of a definitive answer

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

my mistake, i meant who is at fault for the delay in the launch

Similar answer. Sounds like Person B has some communication issues, but Person A is still micromanaging Person B which is going to cause lots of problems. If I was Person B, I probably would have dropped out the minute Person A started telling me how to do my job, assuming partnership. If it's a paid project, you have a totally different mess on your hands.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Sly

Similar answer. Sounds like Person B has some communication issues, but Person A is still micromanaging Person B which is going to cause lots of problems. If I was Person B, I probably would have dropped out the minute Person A started telling me how to do my job, assuming partnership. If it's a paid project, you have a totally different mess on your hands.

im still confused. lol where is the communication issue. what should person b have done? where was the communication lapse? be more specific ;)

cms doesn't work.

so it all comes down to whether or not you think programmer needed finished product for testing or not. i dont see where the communication was a problem, me personally anyway

[JJ Gold]

Person B is being a C

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

im still confused. lol where is the communication issue. what should person b have done? where was the communication lapse? be more specific ;)

cms doesn't work.

so it all comes down to whether or not you think programmer needed finished product for testing or not. i dont see where the communication was a problem, me personally anyway

You said Person B launched the site, even though the CMS didn't work. The site should not have been launched if the CMS was not ready.

Did Person B do the programming?

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Sly

You said Person B launched the site, even though the CMS didn't work. The site should not have been launched if the CMS was not ready.

Did Person B do the programming?

oh i see! let me clarify hahaha person B mentioned weeks prior and every few days leading up that it was launching on this day and person did know. and they hadn't been working further on it , for weeks

all the tools were made, the software was completed

haha i should have explained better in my first post

[myleene]

So, basically these are done and perfect for both:
- Content editing
- Promo tools
- Designs
- Uploads

That's probably 80% of the job.

Is there still time to switch to the out-of-the-box CMS that person B wanted?

If the site wouldn't be launched there might be time to iron out the bugs and not affect the end-user. How many bugs are major? Do you have an estimate on how long you'll need to correct the major ones and all of them?

Maybe switching to the out-of-the-box CMS for 1-2 months may be a good solution?


If they want to work together longer and they value their partnership, what would finding who did something wrong bring beside a dispute? The issue was in the testing phase. There was none. They're both at fault.

Plan one for the next projects and do what needs to be done to correct the issue now.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by myleene

So, basically these are done and perfect for both:
- Content editing
- Promo tools
- Designs
- Uploads

That's probably 80% of the job.

Is there still time to switch to the out-of-the-box CMS that person B wanted?

If the site wouldn't be launched there might be time to iron out the bugs and not affect the end-user. How many bugs are major? Do you have an estimate on how long you'll need to correct the major ones and all of them?

Maybe switching to the out-of-the-box CMS for 1-2 months may be a good solution?

This isn't about who was right about the cms, that person agreed they could do it with a custom cms, so thats the end of that.

its moreso about whether or not the programmer isn't at fault because they didn't have the content the site was going to be launched with.

apparently they couldn't integrate the tour until day before launch, due to not having the launch content

[The Porn Nerd]

OK so info is needed here (as Sly mentioned):

Was this a paid job (Person A hired Person B)?
Was this a "partnership" (Person A and Person B are equals and split profits 50/50)?

If paid Person B is at fault for not doing what the Client (Person A) requested.
If a Partnership then y'all got issues.

My first thought was: why is Person A having anything to say about a CMS? If Person A has the models and content then that's their half of the partnership. It's then person B's job to make the website work and if he's more comfortable with an out of the box solution then it's his call. If Person A doesn't like it for some reason....go get another partner.

That's how I see it.

So in the end whose 'fault' is it? Ultimately Person B for launching a site that doesn't work (tho he was probably just trying to please his partner). But Person A should STFU and let Person B do his job and make them both money.

Now technically, to answer your questions, can it all be launched without thumbs, test galleries, etc? Of course.

[Pseudonymous]

I must've explained this real poorly, haha

Person A hired a person. Person b needed a specific cms. person a denied and said custom. person b agreed to do it but was hesitant.

person a was in charge of making the cms. person b in charge of the marketing/managing

person a demanded they needed the finished content. person b gave sample content.

person a and person b launched. there were problems. person a says its because they didn't have the finished content.

person a in charge of integrating tour, didn't happen until 24 hours prior to launch , due to the fact they didn't have finished content, can't integrate the tour without finished content. couldn't check if the tools were working because sample content and not launch content. etc

[The Porn Nerd]

Well there are always some problems if you launch before everything is 100% ready and tested. But 'not having the content ready' I am assuming means he hadn't finished editing the videos or cutting the thumbs for the hosted galleries. Maybe banners, too. It's a TON of work - to get a MA, Tour AND Aff Program together AT ONCE. I know, I have done it and it took me months.

So maybe the focus should've been getting the actual site (Tour and MA) together first, then worry about the AP. You could always put up a simple signup page while you are working on things.

But now I bet it's a mess. LOL But ultimately, if Person A is "the Boss" then Person B did not give the client what he expected, even if those expectations were unrealistic. But Job #1 now is to just get shit working.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well there are always some problems if you launch before everything is 100% ready and tested. But 'not having the content ready' I am assuming means he hadn't finished editing the videos or cutting the thumbs for the hosted galleries. Maybe banners, too. It's a TON of work - to get a MA, Tour AND Aff Program together AT ONCE. I know, I have done it and it took me months.

So maybe the focus should've been getting the actual site (Tour and MA) together first, then worry about the AP. You could always put up a simple signup page while you are working on things.

But now I bet it's a mess. LOL But ultimately, if Person A is "the Boss" then Person B did not give the client what he expected, even if those expectations were unrealistic.

youre right, in the future, would be better to do one , then the other. person a thought they could do it before the date, they finished making it. they did infact make it before the launch. it wasn't tested. person a didn't test it in all the extra time person a had because they didn't have the finished product

and thats what it comes back to, whether or not you need finished content to test . everything went smoothly but then last minute rushing and falling late due to having to test last minute and only then finding glitches. glitches that only needed to be tested with content

[myleene]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I must've explained this real poorly, haha

Person A hired a person. Person b needed a specific cms. person a denied and said custom. person b agreed to do it but was hesitant.

person a was in charge of making the cms. person b in charge of the marketing/managing

person a demanded they needed the finished content. person b gave sample content.

person a and person b launched. there were problems. person a says its because they didn't have the finished content.

person a in charge of integrating tour, didn't happen until 24 hours prior to launch , due to the fact they didn't have finished content, can't integrate the tour without finished content. couldn't check if the tools were working because sample content and not launch content. etc

Why didn't you use the same tools partner A or partner B had for previous sites?

Could you use them now?

But now I bet it's a mess. LOL But ultimately, if Person A is "the Boss" then Person B did not give the client what he expected, even if those expectations were unrealistic. But Job #1 now is to just get shit working.

I think that too. What will it bring you to find who is at fault?

The testing phase was skipped. Rewrite your product launch plan to ensure it'll work well in the future.

[Sly]

I don't understand your separation of duties.

Person A supplied the models and content, yet can't finish the site because he doesn't have the content? Person A also making CMS demands is very strange, the technical person in the partnership should be the one in charge of that.

You and your buddy have communication issues. ;-)

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

youre right, in the future, would be better to do one , then the other. person a thought they could do it before the date, they finished making it. they did infact make it before the launch. it wasn't tested. person a didn't test it in all the extra time person a had because they didn't have the finished product

and thats what it comes back to, whether or not you need finished content to test . everything went smoothly but then last minute rushing and falling late due to having to test last minute and only then finding glitches. glitches that only needed to be tested with content

You do not need "finished content" to test technical issues. Sample content is more than enough. My programmers do this all the time. You test with samples.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by myleene

Why didn't you use the same tools partner A or partner B had for previous sites?

Could you use them now?



I think that too. What will it bring you to find who is at fault?

The testing phase was skipped. Rewrite your product launch plan to ensure it'll work well in the future.

the tools had no gui (graphic user interface) and were extremely basic

its all great now, i was basically just writing out scenario and decided to see what people thought when it came to what you needed to test a cms to make sure it has no bugs is all.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Sly

I don't understand your separation of duties.

Person A supplied the models and content, yet can't finish the site because he doesn't have the content? Person A also making CMS demands is very strange, the technical person in the partnership should be the one in charge of that.

You and your buddy have communication issues. ;-)

person a is programmer. that is technical. decided to save money.

[blackmonsters]

Person A and person B should STFU and C how they can fix the shit.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Person A and person B should STFU and C how they can fix the shit.

all is working, just a couple days delay, wasn't a big concern

[The Porn Nerd]

Well let's see the site. LOL