Do you seriously think Obama is coming for your guns?

[2MuchMark]

Seriously?

[Scott McD]

He's coming for my panties...

[MrBottomTooth]

Why not? They do it here in Canada all the time.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2562933

[Vendzilla]

Guess you did hear about the new executive order he signed that gives the government the right to violate HIPPA privacy laws in a means to screen gun owners.

In total this year, he has by passed congress and signed 25 new executive orders for gun control.

So as usual, Cheese Dick has his head up his ass and doesn't know what he's talking about

[AaronM]

Let's see how it works out for Iraq.

"It?s the holy grail of gun control, as demanded by Michael Bloomberg and his minions as well as Dianne Feinstein and her associates in Congress: a total ban on firearms, other than those used by the government. And what government is embracing this ?progressive? stance on ?dangerous weapons, you might ask? The Al-Qaeda associated group known as ISIS has just made that declaration for all land under its control in Iraq . . ."

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...isis-soldiers/

And of course, we could also take a realistic look at how that's worked out for Australia too.

http://gunsnfreedom.com/17-years-aft...ut-of-control/

[Sly]

No way, he doesn't have time, he is far too busy trying to figure out what to do with the kids at the border: http://www.businessinsider.com/immig...-crisis-2014-6

[HelmutKohl]

Guns belong to army and police. Period.

[Rochard]

I have a friend of mine who tells me he wants to move to Washington because "Obama is trying to take his guns away". He doesn't seem to understand that Obama is charge of the country, not just California, and any laws he signs into office has the same weight in Washington.

[arock10]

Dang obummer

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Guess you did hear about the new executive order he signed that gives the government the right to violate HIPPA privacy laws in a means to screen gun owners.

In total this year, he has by passed congress and signed 25 new executive orders for gun control.

So as usual, Cheese Dick has his head up his ass and doesn't know what he's talking about

...right on queue!

Exactly which executive order(s) gives Obama the right to take your gun(s) away?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

Guns belong to army and police. Period.

i think you are alone on that one...

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I have a friend of mine who tells me he wants to move to Washington because "Obama is trying to take his guns away". He doesn't seem to understand that Obama is charge of the country, not just California, and any laws he signs into office has the same weight in Washington.

Tell that friend of yours that people with IQ's lower than that of a drawerful of rocks shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.



What I don't get is why the USA is so resistant to change. Sooner or later you are going to HAVE to do something by way of 'control', you're running out of options. But furthermore, why is it that so many are convinced that if you bring in some controls it means you lose the right to own a gun? It doesn't. It means that not every psycho who wanders in off the street can own one. It may mean that you have to qualify in some way to own guns. It may mean you have to get a two or three day certification on gun safety, use and ownership before being allowed to own one.

'Control' doesn't mean 'ban'. Two different things entirely. But sooner or later the glock will run out and...I mean the CLOCK will run out and there'll be just too damn many people getting shot by morons, psychos and idiots who should not have been allowed to buy them in the first place. This wide open freedom the NRA crowd is so insistent on keeping isn't working and everyone knows it, even them I suspect.

Want a gun? Fine, get one. Providing you can pass the checks and balances in place, that's all. Or keep on the way it is now with100% "freedom" and zero control whatsoever. Take your chances with the next mall or school shooting. See how your 'total freedom, zero control' policy gets you in the next ten or twenty years. (when these mass shootings are taking place do you Americans really feel 'free'??)

Controls won't fix the problem though. Fact is nothing will 'fix' the problem. Has having them in Canada fixed the problem here? No. But it HAS reduced it to a slightly more manageable level. There are certainly problems and gripings going on about it here, but those could easily serve as a learning curve for possible US policy changes. But really, to someone who wants to buy a handgun for protection, what the hell is wrong with having to fucking register it? Or be trained in how to use and care for it?

Quit fighting the control already, because it's coming, whether you want to admit it or not. Like the black president many of you denied was coming back in 2008, so is this. I'm as against any sort of ban as the next guy, but I sure sleep better at night knowing that the idiot with the smarts of a sea slug down the street from me can't qualify for a gun permit, but I can.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

...right on queue!

Exactly which executive order(s) gives Obama the right to take your gun(s) away?

Wow, too stupid to use google?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ype=blogs&_r=0

here's 23 of them
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

I love the last one, since Sebelius has supposedly quit and Arne Duncan is the Secretary of Education, what does that have to do with mental health and guns?

I have an issue with many of these, but the biggest is that he bypassed congress to pass these. It was never introduced to congress as far as I know and a lot of this violates patient doctor privilege.

And I love that he wants to nominate a new director of the ATF after the last guy he nominated fucked up so badly

I have no problem with background checks, but I do have a problem with violating privacy laws. Our government is already too intrusive.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Tell that friend of yours that people with IQ's lower than that of a drawerful of rocks shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.



What I don't get is why the USA is so resistant to change. Sooner or later you are going to HAVE to do something by way of 'control', you're running out of options. But furthermore, why is it that so many are convinced that if you bring in some controls it means you lose the right to own a gun? It doesn't. It means that not every psycho who wanders in off the street can own one. It may mean that you have to qualify in some way to own guns. It may mean you have to get a two or three day certification on gun safety, use and ownership before being allowed to own one.

'Control' doesn't mean 'ban'. Two different things entirely. But sooner or later the glock will run out and...I mean the CLOCK will run out and there'll be just too damn many people getting shot by morons, psychos and idiots who should not have been allowed to buy them in the first place. This wide open freedom the NRA crowd is so insistent on keeping isn't working and everyone knows it, even them I suspect.

Want a gun? Fine, get one. Providing you can pass the checks and balances in place, that's all. Or keep on the way it is now with100% "freedom" and zero control whatsoever. Take your chances with the next mall or school shooting. See how your 'total freedom, zero control' policy gets you in the next ten or twenty years. (when these mass shootings are taking place do you Americans really feel 'free'??)

Controls won't fix the problem though. Fact is nothing will 'fix' the problem. Has having them in Canada fixed the problem here? No. But it HAS reduced it to a slightly more manageable level. There are certainly problems and gripings going on about it here, but those could easily serve as a learning curve for possible US policy changes. But really, to someone who wants to buy a handgun for protection, what the hell is wrong with having to fucking register it? Or be trained in how to use and care for it?

Quit fighting the control already, because it's coming, whether you want to admit it or not. Like the black president many of you denied was coming back in 2008, so is this. I'm as against any sort of ban as the next guy, but I sure sleep better at night knowing that the idiot with the smarts of a sea slug down the street from me can't qualify for a gun permit, but I can.

Simple, it's because all the gun laws that have been passed only effect legal lawful gun owners, not criminals.

[Vendzilla]

But here are the facts on guns and deaths: Firearms were used to kill 30,143 people in the United States in 2005, the most recent year with complete data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.1 A total of 17,002 of these were suicides, 12,352 homicides, and 789 accidental firearm deaths

So more depressed people are shooting themselves than others

[brassmonkey]

why do you care?

[2MuchMark]

Vendzilla, stop avoiding the question.

My question is : "Do you seriously think Obama is coming for your guns?".

You said, in an insulting and long-winded way, "Yes".

I then asked you "Exactly which executive order(s) gives Obama the right to take your gun(s) away?"

You did not answer the question. I will try again. Do you, Vendzilla, think that Obama is coming to take your ("YOUR") guns, away?

Try this: Take your index finger and start scratching the side of your head while you think real hard for an answer.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

here's 23 of them
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

This is memorandum, not an executive order.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

Who decides which legal barriers are unnecessary? You?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

If deny a Texas-crazy from buying a gun because my background check showed him as a murder, wouldn't you want me to share that info with my counterpart in your state, especially if he's buying a gun and moves in next door to you?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

Right. DANGEROUS PEOPLE. Exactly how does this mean that Obama is coming for YOUR guns?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

What is so irrational about that?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

Sounds good! What is wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

Sounds good! Do you want just any old untrained idiot running around with guns? Near your house? Your kids? Your friends? Your mall? Your bar?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

I suppose you don't believe that condoms save you from getting cooties either?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

If some nut job shoots and kills your family then kills himself, wouldn't you at least want to go after the person that provided him with that gun? Methinks you would...

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.

Of course! Stolen property is stolen property. Your car is registered. Wouldn't you want to know if your stolen car was sold, and by who?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

11. Nominate an ATF director.

Finally! You know that Your fucktards at the GOP have been blocking the nomination of an ATF director for many many years, right?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

Of course! Oh but wait. You would rather have TEACHERS armed with guns instead. Suck Wayne Lapierre's saggy grey balls much?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

Wow! What a terrible idea! That must keep you up at night, I tell ya whut!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

This is actually a fantastic idea. But of course brainless rednecks like you think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

Yet another good idea. Yet another good idea squashed by the no-nothings and care-nots of the right-wing party.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Interesting... but again, does this mean Obama will come take your guns?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

Good idea? Yes. Vendzilla doesn't want it? You betcha.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

Sad but true and necessary, until Dumb fuck hillbillies learn to grow a pair and clean your shit up before more children die.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

Everyone: "Hey! I've got a great idea! Why don't we --".
Vendzilla : "Nerrrrrp!".

etc.....

[L-Pink]

Troll troll troll

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wow, too stupid to use google?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ype=blogs&_r=0

I have an issue with many of these, but the biggest is that he bypassed congress to pass these. It was never introduced to congress as far as I know and a lot of this violates patient doctor privilege.

I am an NRA member, gun owner and conceal carry permit holder. I object to zero of your 23 issues.

Your agenda, ignorance, and tenaciousness is very boring.

You are the biggest douche I know on the internet.

You may be the first person I actually set to ignore.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Guess you did hear about the new executive order he signed that gives the government the right to violate HIPPA privacy laws in a means to screen gun owners.

In total this year, he has by passed congress and signed 25 new executive orders for gun control.

So as usual, Cheese Dick has his head up his ass and doesn't know what he's talking about

Well perhaps if congress wasn't a bunch of jackasses whom find any reason possible to block everything, then perhaps he would need to use executive actions. Even still he is way under the usage of Bush on executive actions.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Troll troll troll

Yep. I'm seriously questioning how Mark's business is going if this is what he's doing on GFY these days.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

I am an NRA member, gun owner and conceal carry permit holder. I object to zero of your 23 issues.

Your agenda, ignorance, and tenaciousness is very boring.

You are the biggest douche I know on the internet.

You may be the first person I actually set to ignore.

Yes, it is very tiresome. It makes me sick to think I have done business with you. I can't remember if you were this much of an asshole before I spent 6k on your idiotic software.

What a waste of money.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

I am an NRA member, gun owner and conceal carry permit holder. I object to zero of your 23 issues.

Your agenda, ignorance, and tenaciousness is very boring.

You are the biggest douche I know on the internet.

You may be the first person I actually set to ignore.

[Seth Manson]

Mark Prince, the Kooky Canadian

He's so funny with his electric car.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

I am an NRA member, gun owner and conceal carry permit holder. I object to zero of your 23 issues.

Your agenda, ignorance, and tenaciousness is very boring.

You are the biggest douche I know on the internet.

You may be the first person I actually set to ignore.

So your objections are grown into insults? My opinion is different from your's, so I'm a douche? I think if you don't have objections with the president making changes to the second amendment and privacy laws without going thru congress to be that of an imbecile and lacking of bringing anything insightful into this conversation.

I have a problem with my privacy being taken away.

And back to the op, do you think that 25 executive orders will result in taking some peoples guns away?

Do you think that some people will avoid medical help to keep their privacy?

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So your objections are grown into insults? My opinion is different from your's, so I'm a douche? I think if you don't have objections with the president making changes to the second amendment and privacy laws without going thru congress to be that of an imbecile and lacking of bringing anything insightful into this conversation.

I have a problem with my privacy being taken away.

And back to the op, do you think that 25 executive orders will result in taking some peoples guns away?

Do you think that some people will avoid medical help to keep their privacy?

Oops I thought he was talking to Mark Prince.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Mark Prince, the Kooky Canadian

He's so funny with his electric car.

i fucking lolled!

why is this sof ucking funny? !! it is though.

[SuckOnThis]

Mark is better informed about US politics than 95% of the people on this board and 100% of the people that watch FOX News.

[dyna mo]

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Mark is better informed about US politics than 95% of the people on this board and 100% of the people that watch FOX News.

Mark is better informed about Democrat Party talking points and what is on MSNBC than 95% of the people on this board for sure.

As for actual issues and the politics behind them? Nope.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Mark is better informed about Democrat Party talking points and what is on MSNBC than 95% of the people on this board for sure.

As for actual issues and the politics behind them? Nope.

Thats odd that people would spend hours a day arguing with an uninformed retarded idiot, but I guess they do it with Vendzilla so why not.

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My opinion is different from your's, so I'm a douche?

You are a douche because you are half cocked, ill-informed, mean, self centered and want to ram your angry agenda down the throats of others.

Between anger and your drinking, you should not be around firearms.

Your fear is that you will be found not fit and they will take your "boom book sticks" away and somehow blacks on welfare which you pay for will still have theirs and scarier still, the gay blacks will have bigger guns than you.

[pornmasta]

Of course, he is your nanny and your life belongs to the state

[suesheboy]

...and by the way the second amendment is for the protection of a militia which in modern day warfare against a country such as ours is obsolete.

Nothing like holding up a document about rights written by those who only gave white land owning males all the "rights" in their time.

Your time has come and gone.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by **********

Seriously?

Obama is the leader of the free world, so I'm pretty sure he is not personally going door-to-door for anything. Nobody but a South Park cartoon character would think he was.

No matter how inflammatory and absurd the way you word it, however, the most cursory glance at current law demonstrates that gun rights are under attack. Whether you think that is good or bad is a matter of opinion. That gun rights are under attack is a matter of basic fact.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

You are a douche because you are half cocked, ill-informed, mean, self centered and want to ram your angry agenda down the thoughts of others.

Between anger and your drinking, you should not be around firearms.

Your fear is that you will be found not fit and they will take your "boom book sticks" away and somehow blacks on welfare which you pay for will still have theirs and scarier still, the gay blacks will have bigger guns than you.

So, you are calling me a racist, a homophobe, an alcoholic and what exactly is a boom Book Stick? I looked it up, Google doesn't know.

Calling someone that's mostly white a racist is no better than calling a black man the N word or making fun of any race, it's showing just how narrow minded you are for bringing that up, since I have never said anything racist on this or any other forum you are just making shit up, which brings into account your hate for anyone that might disagree with you showing what a limited tolerance you have for anyone with a conflicting thought.

I feel sorry for you!

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Why not? They do it here in Canada all the time.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2562933

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

...and by the way the second amendment is for the protection of a militia which in modern day warfare against a country such as ours is obsolete.

Nothing like holding up a document about rights written by those who only gave white land owning males all the "rights" in their time.

Your time has come and gone.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You do see the part about the right of the people to keep and bear arms? Or did you ever bother to read that?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Troll troll troll

Shhhh!!!! ;)

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. I'm seriously questioning how Mark's business is going if this is what he's doing on GFY these days.

Doing ok, and thanks for asking!

Originally Posted by Robbie

Mark is better informed about Democrat Party talking points and what is on MSNBC than 95% of the people on this board for sure.

As for actual issues and the politics behind them? Nope.

Ok let's be clear... I an clearly not better informed than anyone on this board, about any subject.... I am obviously [1] Trolling (just a little), and [2], Just asking Vendzilla a question, which Vendy pal, you still haven't answered.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Obama is the leader of the free world, so I'm pretty sure he is not personally going door-to-door for anything. Nobody but a South Park cartoon character would think he was.

No matter how inflammatory and absurd the way you word it, however, the most cursory glance at current law demonstrates that gun rights are under attack. Whether you think that is good or bad is a matter of opinion. That gun rights are under attack is a matter of basic fact.

Very well said, Thank You

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So, you are calling me a racist, a homophobe

These are the fundamentals of the group you march in goose step with and praise so much.

Dig deep into your soul and you will see I am right about your true feelings.

I never meet a white guy that talks like you that wasn't a racist and against the "gay agenda".

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You do see the part about the right of the people to keep and bear arms? Or did you ever bother to read that?

You need to talk to a constitutional lawyer.

Think we still need a militia? When was there a "well regulated militia" in this country? What if being well regulated means no modern firearms?

If I want to shoot my slave I should have the right to as a white landowner shouldn't I?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Very well said, Thank You

Glad to be of service

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

You need to talk to a constitutional lawyer.

Think we still need a militia? When was there a "well regulated militia" in this country? What if being well regulated means no modern firearms?

If I want to shoot my slave I should have the right to as a white landowner shouldn't I?

Where the fuck did that come from, shooting a slave? Are the voices in your head confusing you?

As far as needing a constitutional lawyer, nah, anyone with the capacity to read knows what happened in the supreme court 4 years ago. Here's what they said...

The Second Amendment provides Americans a fundamental right to bear arms that cannot be violated by state and local governments, the Supreme Court ruled Monday in a long-sought victory for gun rights advocates.

THIS STORY
Lawsuit filed against Chicago's new gun laws
Supreme Court expands gun rights
The 5 to 4 decision does not strike down any gun-control laws, nor does it elaborate on what kind of laws would offend the Constitution. One justice predicted that an "avalanche" of lawsuits would be filed across the country asking federal judges to define the boundaries of gun ownership and government regulation.

But Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who wrote the opinion for the court's dominant conservatives, said: "It is clear that the Framers . . . counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062802134.html

So you completely don't know a thing about the subject, But please keep talking!

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by **********

Seriously?

Nobody thinks that 145 pound shoulder pad wearing cigarette smoking Obama is going to come and take the guns himself. As usual law enforcement personal with the IQ of room temperature will take the guns.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836

[iSpyCams]

To answer the OP's question, I don't "believe" anything. I know, as we all do who live here and buy guns and ammo regularly, that our rights are under attack from many sides, and that we are the victims of a constant media smear campaign.

I also "suspect" that Obama's rhetoric is sponsored in no small part by weapons manufacturers themselves who have benefited GREATLY from the "gun panic" reporting record sales and even having to expand manufacturing to keep up with demand for ammo.

I doubt its a coincidence that just as some news sources were reporting demand for guns and ammo in the consumer market beginning to subside to pre-panic levels, Obama starts praising Australia's gun grabbing policies, starting another wave of people looking to arm up and stock up before it becomes illegal.

I don't know for sure, but, follow the money right?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

These are the fundamentals of the group you march in goose step with and praise so much.

Dig deep into your soul and you will see I am right about your true feelings.

I never meet a white guy that talks like you that wasn't a racist and against the "gay agenda".

I was raised by parents that had no hate in their heart for any race, My step father grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and my mother grew up around native american values. The first time I ever heard anyone use the N word was in boot camp when a black guy called me the n word.

Working for Video Secrets and AWE, my two favorite people to work with we both gay and I have built a couple gay sites. I miss working with Eddie at VS and Douglas at AWE, I built several gay model pages for his models. I met my first openly gay person while in the Navy, we are still friends over 30 years later. My oldest friend I have known longer than you have been alive.

So pretty much, you can blow your accusations out your hateful ass!

I hate having a bad leader in the white house, nothing more. Go Fuck Yourself!

[Just Alex]

I don't have a gun

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

But here are the facts on guns and deaths: Firearms were used to kill 30,143 people in the United States in 2005, the most recent year with complete data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.1 A total of 17,002 of these were suicides, 12,352 homicides, and 789 accidental firearm deaths

So more depressed people are shooting themselves than others

Typically a country uses the standard murder rate versus some skewed stat like you just dug up. Our murder rate is much higher then other industrialized nations. Most murders are done with a gun.

And easy access to guns with no checks is not helped by pointing out that this easy access is allowing 17k people a year to kill themselves.