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Rikki-Nyx · 08-03-2014, 06:00 AM

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Moscow (AFP) - Punitive sanctions and the calling into question of a key arms control treaty with Washington have ratcheted up pressure on Russia, leaving President Vladimir Putin few palatable options to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, analysts say.

Putin might have thought he could get away with keeping the conflict simmering with a divided Europe wary of imposing tough sanctions that could plunge its own economy back into recession.

But the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over territory held by pro-Russian rebels last month, with the loss of all 298 people on board, including 193 Dutch nationals, forced the European Union into action.

For the first time, the sanctions imposed by Brussels and Washington last week apply to entire sectors, impeding access to Western capital markets and technology needed to develop new oil and gas fields, as well as an arms sales ban.

Many analysts believe that the measures will gradually impact the Russian economy, already teetering on the brink of recession.

But the ultimate question is whether they will have a political effect -- pushing Putin to stop supporting the pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine and to come to a mutually acceptable resolution of the crisis.

Adam Slater, senior economist at Oxford Economics, said that pulling back from Ukraine would appear the economically rational thing for Russia to do, but this is by no means guaranteed to happen.

"The political calculations being made by President Putin may be very different from the approach that might be followed by another leader in another country," he said in a recent report.

..View gallery People hold Russian flags and flags of the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donbass&qu ?That is because Putin has created a popular political image as a strong leader who can stand up to the West, and during the Ukraine crisis he has styled himself as a defender of ethnic Russians abroad.

US President Barack Obama told a press conference Saturday Putin "should want to resolve this diplomatically, to get these sanctions lifted, get their economy growing again, and have good relations with Ukraine."

However he cautioned that "sometimes people don't always act rationally".

- Putin 'zugzwanged' -

Yet the MH17 crash could give Putin an opportunity to break from the insurgents in Ukraine if they are determined to have shot down the plane, journalist and long-time Putin observer Andrei Kolesnikov believes.

"The death of children, adults and the elderly is a sort of red line that he won't cross... Putin will break with them," he wrote in the Russian daily Kommersant.

But others believe abandoning the pro-Russian rebels would be difficult, especially given that state media has been portraying them as defending ethnic Russians against neo-fascist Ukrainians. Putin has also faced growing calls from nationalists at home to send in troops.

..View gallery Dutch experts examine the area of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 plane crash in the village of Hr ?Konstantin Kalachev, head of the Moscow-based Political Expert Group think-tank, said Putin hasn't taken the opportunities to disown the rebels that the crash has afforded, and he is now like a chess player faced with only bad moves.

"It's zugzwang, when each move only worsens the situation," Kalachev told AFP.

Putin's objective in Ukraine has been to keep the country out of the orbit of the EU and NATO.

When protesters earlier this year ousted pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych from power in Kiev after he rejected an EU trade deal under Russian pressure, Putin seized the opportunity to take over Crimea.

And as the new Ukrainian authorities gravitated towards the West, a well-armed rebel movement led by former Russian officers sprang up.

Putin "miscalculated, thinking we can do what others can't," said Kalachev, pointing to the way Russians persevered for years to impose a military solution in Chechnya.

- Treaty threat doubles ante -

..View gallery A Ukrainian serviceman ckecks IDs at a checkpoint near the eastern Ukrainian city of Debaltsevo, Don ?But if Putin's plan was to call the West's bluff over Ukraine, the MH17 disaster changed the dynamics of the crisis.

Washington doubled the ante by going public with accusations that Russia violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) by testing a cruise missile.

"You can't look at the case of the INF Treaty in isolation, only in the context of the general worsening of relations between Moscow and Washington over the Ukraine crisis and the Malaysian Boeing 777," the head of the International Security Centre at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations in Moscow, Alexei Arbatov, told the daily Kommersant this week.

Arbatov said going public with the complaints was a "psychological threat", as doing away with the treaty -- which bans all ground-launched medium range missiles -- would prove costly to Moscow.

After the collapse of the INF treaty "the United States would consider that it had the right to deploy its missiles in eastern Europe, dangling a new Sword of Damocles over Russia," Dmitry Polikanov, deputy head of another Russian think-thank, the PIR Centre, was quoted as saying by Kommersant.

The option of a full-on Russian intervention might also lead to the country's further isolation and a reinforcement of NATO.

Independent political analyst Maria Lipman said that Putin's "room for manoeuvre has shrunk although not disappeared altogether".

"He is trying to find steps that don't appear as a retreat," she said.

Speaking at World War I commemorations on Friday, Putin drew many contemporary parallels, saying that history proved time and again that an "unwillingness to listen to each other" and respect each other's interests can have huge costs.

Lipman said that if the West wants a quick end to the fighting it will need to find an agreement with Putin as sanctions will only gradually have enough impact to cause political concerns for the Russian leader.

"Stopping the war should be the top goal for Europe, and that is impossible without Russia," she said

seeandsee · 08-03-2014, 06:28 AM

Airplane over fighting zone forced the European Union into action.

I smell bullshit

crockett · 08-03-2014, 06:58 AM

It's already been a week since they shot down the airplane and he's yet to distance himself from the rebels, so it's not gonna happen. Putin has backed Russia into a corner over Ukraine. He pretty much has to win, otherwise the other ex soviet countries that Russia holds it's thumbs on are likely to start drifting away again.

The problem is, Putin can't win at this point, because he's waited too long and gathered too much world attention. He Lilly gagged around with the rebels when he should have sent troops into eastern Ukraine and taken what he wanted. If he had done that, there isn't much the US or EU could of done about it. However now he has lost his opportunity and has weakened Russia for the long term.

Cherry7 · 08-03-2014, 07:15 AM

Do sanctions only hurt one side?

If that was true it would be charity.

As it is trade both sides must loose.

Rivalry between blocks leads to war and is not in the interest of any small nation. The US and Europe are just as guilty as Russia in this.

Rikki-Nyx · 08-03-2014, 07:16 AM

I don't really get what Putin wants? Does he really think he would ever have a chance at taking over Ukraine? That would NEVER happen. He would not be able to step foot into Kiev without meeting hundreds of thousands of pro western people in the streets.. the same ones that got rid of Russia's puppet president.

good luck with that

bronco67 · 08-03-2014, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

It's already been a week since they shot down the airplane and he's yet to distance himself from the rebels, so it's not gonna happen. Putin has backed Russia into a corner over Ukraine. He pretty much has to win, otherwise the other ex soviet countries that Russia holds it's thumbs on are likely to start drifting away again.

The problem is, Putin can't win at this point, because he's waited too long and gathered too much world attention. He Lilly gagged around with the rebels when he should have sent troops into eastern Ukraine and taken what he wanted. If he had done that, there isn't much the US or EU could of done about it. However now he has lost his opportunity and has weakened Russia for the long term.

Being a traditional "sneaky Russian" didn't work in this case. You're right, he should have gone in guns blazing instead of trying to take it surreptitiously -- which if you think about it is a pretty bold, but dumb thing to do -- take a country and hope no one notices.

dyna mo · 08-03-2014, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

It's already been a week since they shot down the airplane and he's yet to distance himself from the rebels, so it's not gonna happen. Putin has backed Russia into a corner over Ukraine. He pretty much has to win, otherwise the other ex soviet countries that Russia holds it's thumbs on are likely to start drifting away again.

The problem is, Putin can't win at this point, because he's waited too long and gathered too much world attention. He Lilly gagged around with the rebels when he should have sent troops into eastern Ukraine and taken what he wanted. If he had done that, there isn't much the US or EU could of done about it. However now he has lost his opportunity and has weakened Russia for the long term.

A few days ago it appeared he blinked. he didn't. ugh.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-03-2014, 07:45 AM

If you back a bear into a corner he will come out fighting.

Giving Putin and his Russian government little choice but to get real stupid will accomplish just what?

pornmasta · 08-03-2014, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

Airplane over fighting zone forced the European Union into action.

I smell bullshit

yes EU is able to do that

MrDeiz · 08-03-2014, 07:49 AM

rusia is going to become next to north korea, if ruskie don't get rid of pootin
good luck in both

ZiggiZiggiCrew · 08-03-2014, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

rusia is going to become next to north korea, if ruskie don't get rid of pootin
good luck in both

pornmasta · 08-03-2014, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

rusia is going to become next to north korea, if ruskie don't get rid of pootin
good luck in both

what's up in the next greece ?

evy97 · 08-03-2014, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx

I don't really get what Putin wants? Does he really think he would ever have a chance at taking over Ukraine? That would NEVER happen. He would not be able to step foot into Kiev without meeting hundreds of thousands of pro western people in the streets.. the same ones that got rid of Russia's puppet president.

good luck with that

What are you smoking?

Russia wanted Crimea, and was willing to risk war for it. After Crimea showed how easy it was to secede from this Ukrainian junta and rejoin Russia, ethnic Russians in E-UKR naturally attempted to duplicate the easy separation Crimea accomplished. But Putin don't give a shit about UKR.

It?s foolish to think that Putin has to say a simple yes or no to the militias in E-UKR. Yeah, Putin could end the fighting, but that would be a waste of human material. It?s much more useful giving your proxies there just enough weaponry, money, and moral support to keep them bleeding the enemy.

The article is very dumb. We no longer live in the late 20th century. It?s been obvious the BRICS are coming

GDP (PPP basis) source: World Bank
EU & US = $34 trillion
Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa = $30 trillion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_GDP_(PPP)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

what's up in the next greece ?

After the IMF requirements are met, Greece will look like Dubai compared to Ukraine

pornmasta · 08-03-2014, 09:43 AM

i mean: greece, those at the bottom ;)

MrDeiz · 08-03-2014, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97

After the IMF requirements are met, Greece will look like Dubai compared to Ukraine

When Slovakia is going to look like Dubai?
Hint: Never

CAHEK · 08-03-2014, 11:10 AM

Ukrainian Hryvnia Currency going to shit like next Argentina, country will default i would say by end of this year or next.

Antonio · 08-03-2014, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAHEK

...country will default i would say by end of this year or next.

Wanna bet? $100 says it won't

femdomdestiny · 08-03-2014, 11:38 AM

Can someone translate ,please?

dehash · 08-03-2014, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Can someone translate ,please?

Nothing interesting. Name, why are you here, what do you think about government sent you here? These are POW from Ukrainian regular army.

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~Ray visit hardlinks.org Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas , Nv >>> [email protected] or icq 94994627 anytime Posts: 18,362	brought to you by the save a click foundation... Moscow (AFP) - Punitive sanctions and the calling into question of a key arms control treaty with Washington have ratcheted up pressure on Russia, leaving President Vladimir Putin few palatable options to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, analysts say. Putin might have thought he could get away with keeping the conflict simmering with a divided Europe wary of imposing tough sanctions that could plunge its own economy back into recession. But the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over territory held by pro-Russian rebels last month, with the loss of all 298 people on board, including 193 Dutch nationals, forced the European Union into action. For the first time, the sanctions imposed by Brussels and Washington last week apply to entire sectors, impeding access to Western capital markets and technology needed to develop new oil and gas fields, as well as an arms sales ban. Many analysts believe that the measures will gradually impact the Russian economy, already teetering on the brink of recession. But the ultimate question is whether they will have a political effect -- pushing Putin to stop supporting the pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine and to come to a mutually acceptable resolution of the crisis. Adam Slater, senior economist at Oxford Economics, said that pulling back from Ukraine would appear the economically rational thing for Russia to do, but this is by no means guaranteed to happen. "The political calculations being made by President Putin may be very different from the approach that might be followed by another leader in another country," he said in a recent report. ..View gallery People hold Russian flags and flags of the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donbass&qu ?That is because Putin has created a popular political image as a strong leader who can stand up to the West, and during the Ukraine crisis he has styled himself as a defender of ethnic Russians abroad. US President Barack Obama told a press conference Saturday Putin "should want to resolve this diplomatically, to get these sanctions lifted, get their economy growing again, and have good relations with Ukraine." However he cautioned that "sometimes people don't always act rationally". - Putin 'zugzwanged' - Yet the MH17 crash could give Putin an opportunity to break from the insurgents in Ukraine if they are determined to have shot down the plane, journalist and long-time Putin observer Andrei Kolesnikov believes. "The death of children, adults and the elderly is a sort of red line that he won't cross... Putin will break with them," he wrote in the Russian daily Kommersant. But others believe abandoning the pro-Russian rebels would be difficult, especially given that state media has been portraying them as defending ethnic Russians against neo-fascist Ukrainians. Putin has also faced growing calls from nationalists at home to send in troops. ..View gallery Dutch experts examine the area of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 plane crash in the village of Hr ?Konstantin Kalachev, head of the Moscow-based Political Expert Group think-tank, said Putin hasn't taken the opportunities to disown the rebels that the crash has afforded, and he is now like a chess player faced with only bad moves. "It's zugzwang, when each move only worsens the situation," Kalachev told AFP. Putin's objective in Ukraine has been to keep the country out of the orbit of the EU and NATO. When protesters earlier this year ousted pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych from power in Kiev after he rejected an EU trade deal under Russian pressure, Putin seized the opportunity to take over Crimea. And as the new Ukrainian authorities gravitated towards the West, a well-armed rebel movement led by former Russian officers sprang up. Putin "miscalculated, thinking we can do what others can't," said Kalachev, pointing to the way Russians persevered for years to impose a military solution in Chechnya. - Treaty threat doubles ante - ..View gallery A Ukrainian serviceman ckecks IDs at a checkpoint near the eastern Ukrainian city of Debaltsevo, Don ?But if Putin's plan was to call the West's bluff over Ukraine, the MH17 disaster changed the dynamics of the crisis. Washington doubled the ante by going public with accusations that Russia violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) by testing a cruise missile. "You can't look at the case of the INF Treaty in isolation, only in the context of the general worsening of relations between Moscow and Washington over the Ukraine crisis and the Malaysian Boeing 777," the head of the International Security Centre at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations in Moscow, Alexei Arbatov, told the daily Kommersant this week. Arbatov said going public with the complaints was a "psychological threat", as doing away with the treaty -- which bans all ground-launched medium range missiles -- would prove costly to Moscow. After the collapse of the INF treaty "the United States would consider that it had the right to deploy its missiles in eastern Europe, dangling a new Sword of Damocles over Russia," Dmitry Polikanov, deputy head of another Russian think-thank, the PIR Centre, was quoted as saying by Kommersant. The option of a full-on Russian intervention might also lead to the country's further isolation and a reinforcement of NATO. Independent political analyst Maria Lipman said that Putin's "room for manoeuvre has shrunk although not disappeared altogether". "He is trying to find steps that don't appear as a retreat," she said. Speaking at World War I commemorations on Friday, Putin drew many contemporary parallels, saying that history proved time and again that an "unwillingness to listen to each other" and respect each other's interests can have huge costs. Lipman said that if the West wants a quick end to the fighting it will need to find an agreement with Putin as sanctions will only gradually have enough impact to cause political concerns for the Russian leader. "Stopping the war should be the top goal for Europe, and that is impossible without Russia," she said __________________ Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	It's already been a week since they shot down the airplane and he's yet to distance himself from the rebels, so it's not gonna happen. Putin has backed Russia into a corner over Ukraine. He pretty much has to win, otherwise the other ex soviet countries that Russia holds it's thumbs on are likely to start drifting away again. The problem is, Putin can't win at this point, because he's waited too long and gathered too much world attention. He Lilly gagged around with the rebels when he should have sent troops into eastern Ukraine and taken what he wanted. If he had done that, there isn't much the US or EU could of done about it. However now he has lost his opportunity and has weakened Russia for the long term. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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