News That Canadian health care must be great - 13 suicides in 10 weeks

[baddog]

http://globalnews.ca/news/1457826/13...ides-10-weeks/

TORONTO ? Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.


PTSD is real, I am surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbors to the south.

[_Richard_]

you normally score political points on the deaths of first responders

or is this a special day

[SilentKnight]

The story says some of those officers in Toronto were already getting treated for PTSD.

[MrBottomTooth]

How is this different than the US and what does it have to do with our health care? Just a quick google search shows New York cops suicide rate is more than double regular citizens, as just one example.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by baddog

http://globalnews.ca/news/1457826/13...ides-10-weeks/

TORONTO – Two more of Canada’s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.


PTSD is real, I am surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbors to the south.

I would say that some push and pull is required. Push: "Stop whining, life is hard." Pull: "We will help you if you have problem."

It has been proven that sometimes too much therapy is offered and often forcefully. People react with different ways to distress, some want just to forget about it and continue their lives, and to them stuffing that therapy is just harmful. At the same time therapy should be offered to those who really want and need it.

[Jman]

Merica is soooo much better... Eh!!!!

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by aka123

I would say that some push and pull is required. Push: "Stop whining, life is hard." Pull: "We will help you if you have problem."

It has been proven that sometimes too much therapy is offered and often forcefully. People react with different ways to distress, some want just to forget about it and continue their lives, and to them stuffing that therapy is just harmful. At the same time therapy should be offered to those who really want and need it.

[Best-In-BC]

Something here smells like shit.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Just a quick google search shows New York cops suicide rate is more than double regular citizens, as just one example.

Are you suggesting Canadian first responders deal with the same crap as NYPD? Interesting, you guys always seem to make it sound so serene and idyllic up there.

[wehateporn]

They must be putting them on anti-depressants, main cause of suicide

[Spunky]

We can only take the tundra and polar bears for so long

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by baddog

Are you suggesting Canadian first responders deal with the same crap as NYPD? Interesting, you guys always seem to make it sound so serene and idyllic up there.

I think you probably are probably equating all Canadians with Mark Prince. Believe it or not he is not our chosen representative. (At least he wasn't at the last meeting I was at where we all decide those things.) I couldn't attend the last meeting because my ski-doo is in the shop.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by baddog

http://globalnews.ca/news/1457826/13...ides-10-weeks/

TORONTO ? Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.


PTSD is real, I am surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbors to the south.

Another jab at Canadian Health Care which is really a jab at Liberals in general. Cheap.

As someone pointed out above what does their suicide rate have to do with our healthcare system?

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[baddog]

Originally Posted by Spunky

We can only take the tundra and polar bears for so long

Understood

Originally Posted by mopek1

Another jab at Canadian Health Care which is really a jab at Liberals in general. Cheap.

As someone pointed out above what does their suicide rate have to do with our healthcare system?

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It isn't about the rapid rise in suicides, it is about the lack of treatment which I am fairly confident falls under health care . . . No?

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by baddog

TORONTO – Two more of Canada’s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.
.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_traumatization

and also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werther_effect

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by baddog

Understood



It isn't about the rapid rise in suicides, it is about the lack of treatment which I am fairly confident falls under health care . . . No?

Stretching much? Who has a higher suicide rate per capita USA or Canada?

Also I dont have to worry a out sending my kid to a movie theatre or a school with the fear of them being shot because any lunitc can legally buy an assult rifle.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by baddog

http://globalnews.ca/news/1457826/13...ides-10-weeks/

TORONTO ? Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.


PTSD is real, I am surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbors to the south.

This is a new low for you. Enjoy patting yourself on the back for that one.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Stretching much? Who has a higher suicide rate per capita USA or Canada?

Also I dont have to worry a out sending my kid to a movie theatre or a school with the fear of them being shot because any lunitc can legally buy an assult rifle.

This isn't about the general population it is about how you treat your first responders. Guess I touched a nerve.

Your Canadian spell-check really sucks.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by baddog

You Canidan spell-check relly scks.

indeed...

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by baddog

Understood



It isn't about the rapid rise in suicides, it is about the lack of treatment which I am fairly confident falls under health care . . . No?

Unfortunately, treatment for psychological disorders (including PTSD) aren't covered under our provincial healthcare (OHIP - in Ontario). Only those fortunate enough to have extended health insurance plans - or have the personal financial resources - can be treated.

That said, I'm quite sure cops would have coverage under their union agreements and healthcare benefits.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

That said, I'm quite sure cops would have coverage under their union agreements and healthcare benefits.

You would think, but according to the article:

Right now, first responders suffering from PTSD have to prove their symptoms are the reason they can’t work.

I guess suicide is one method

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by baddog

This isn't about the general population it is about how you treat your first responders. Guess I touched a nerve.

Your Canadian spell-check really sucks.

On my mobile captain spell check. Don't you have someone else to steal an idea from?

Anyhow besides you being a first class cunt. You going to tell me it's any different down there? How many American war vets off themselves on a regular basis? Or those still serving?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by baddog

Right now, first responders suffering from PTSD have to prove their symptoms are the reason they can?t work.

How does that work in the U.S. - do they just take people at their word and say, "Yep...you must have PTSD if you say so. Take the next year off...with pay. We insist."

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by baddog

You would think, but according to the article:


I guess suicide is one method

Why do you have to dismiss someone who had become so depressed that they have to commit suicide, just to feel good about yourself?

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Stretching much? Who has a higher suicide rate per capita USA or Canada?

Also I dont have to worry a out sending my kid to a movie theatre or a school with the fear of them being shot because any lunitc can legally buy an assult rifle.

Just dont send them on the bus, wouldnt want some lunatic with a knife to cut their head off.

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

How many American war vets off themselves on a regular basis? Or those still serving?

I havent killed myself a single time. Not even once.

[MrBottomTooth]

http://www.stripes.com/report-suicid...erans-1.261283

22 veterans a day offing themselves in the US. Obviously there is help available in both the us and canada for the people that need it. But that doesnt mean the people are going to seek it out. Out of the 22 a day killing themselves in the us only about 5 are in treatment of any kind according to that article.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by baddog

http://globalnews.ca/news/1457826/13...ides-10-weeks/

TORONTO ? Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.


PTSD is real, I am surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbors to the south.

Nice dumb, ignorant, oblivious conclusions based on nothing you just pulled out of your ass. Congrats

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by baddog

Guess I touched a nerve.

Guess you should stay away from that beer keg at least until 5pm ....

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Just dont send them on the bus, wouldnt want some lunatic with a knife to cut their head off.

yeah man, because that shit happens every week. Also avoid london streets during the night, jack the ripper is out there..

[Evil Chris]

I understand the US-Canada and Canada-US jabbing, but this is not a cool thread.

[WDF]

Wow, Canada's first responders are subject to the identical experiences as all American Servicemen for the last handful of decades!

What great information to have, are tourists aware of this?

It must be a real war zone there, just like the Ukraine, Middle East, and parts of Africa, lots of armed conflict eh?

It must be the Drunken Eskimo Uprisings!

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by WDF

Wow, Canada's first responders are subject to the identical experiences as all American Servicemen for the last handful of decades!

What great information to have, are tourists aware of this?

It must be a real war zone there, just like the Ukraine, Middle East, and parts of Africa, lots of armed conflict eh?

It must be the Drunken Eskimo Uprisings!

We are not the same, there alot of parts of US that are a 3rd world country, allllllll because of the police. Period. We dont have that kind of shit here. We are better in that area.

[Jman]

LMAO that finger pointing thread went well for you Eh!!!

[CDSmith]

Seems to me it's due to stresses of the job itself, not "the Canadian Health Care System". They're not committing suiced because they had to sit in the ER for an hour longer than they figured they should.

Lloyd, you're smarter than this, and you're reaching here. I could write a mile-long diatribe on how and why our system is pretty damn good, and superior to yours in so many ways. In fact I have, several times in past threads. All to no avail, obviously.

Go find Shemp's posts on his experiences with our health care system, since my word on the subject isn't enough. Need I remind you I myself worked in the health care system here for 15 years, and look! No suicide. :D

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I think you probably are probably equating all Canadians with Mark Prince. Believe it or not he is not our chosen representative. (At least he wasn't at the last meeting I was at where we all decide those things.) I couldn't attend the last meeting because my ski-doo is in the shop.

there was a follow up meeting as well, they finally decided on rob ford

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

http://www.stripes.com/report-suicid...erans-1.261283

22 veterans a day offing themselves in the US. Obviously there is help available in both the us and canada for the people that need it. But that doesnt mean the people are going to seek it out. Out of the 22 a day killing themselves in the us only about 5 are in treatment of any kind according to that article.

well.. with that VA scandal.. can they even get help?

[CDSmith]

If doctors, nurses and medical support staff were offing themselves in droves you might have had a point.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

http://www.stripes.com/report-suicid...erans-1.261283

22 veterans a day offing themselves in the US. Obviously there is help available in both the us and canada for the people that need it. But that doesnt mean the people are going to seek it out. Out of the 22 a day killing themselves in the us only about 5 are in treatment of any kind according to that article.

This isn't about veterans.

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

We are not the same, there alot of parts of US that are a 3rd world country, allllllll because of the police.

Oh yeah? Like where?

[2MuchMark]

Baddog:

The title of your post was "That Canadian health care must be great - 13 suicides in 10 weeks".

The body of your post was "Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.".

The "Lesson" you take from this is you're "surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbours to the south."

How the fuck do you connect these dots? What exactly are you trying to say?

When my mom got sick with cancer, she received all of her tests and medicine for free. When she fell at her home and could not get up, an ambulance came and 2 technicians took amazing care of her. She was afraid to go to the Hospital, and these techs took their time (almost an hour) keeping her calm, explain what they were going to do, and kept a great attitude the entire time. My mom was actually happy when they took her. I was impressed with the care they gave her.

These responders and techs see alot of horror. They see car crashes, dismembered limbs and brains splattered all over the place and yet they manage to do their jobs every day, and do so with amazing care and patience.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You think that somehow because a couple of these amazing people get depressed and kill themselves, that this somehow makes your system and politics better. Is the only way you can feel happy about the shit that is your situation is to find imaginary trouble somewhere else, come to the wrong conclusions, post about it, and wait for the applause? At the expense of some depressed first responders at that?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by **********

Baddog:

makes your system and politics better. At the expense of some depressed first responders at that?

did you see that thing yesterday about the Vets wheelchair being broken, and those store peeps sticking around for 45 minutes after work, to fix said wheelchair 'like new'?

the article even mentions, briefly, that the media documented fiasco lead to the Vet getting the replacement he had been waiting over 3 years to receive.. but that he wanted to talk about these three people and how happy they made him.

that, is an old man i could listen to forever.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by baddog

This isn't about veterans.

What exactly is the difference? It's about access to care for people with ptsd right? All you have to do is look at the suicide rates for any first responders or military in the us and you'll get just as bad numbers as there is in Canada or worse. Both countries have work to do.

Are you implying first responders in the us dont have higher suicide rates than regular citizens? Because you would be wrong.

[CDSmith]

Today must be Baddog's annual troll the Canadians day. Weee.

[DTK]

You need Inspector Gadget arms to successfully make this reach.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by **********

Baddog:

The title of your post was "That Canadian health care must be great - 13 suicides in 10 weeks".

The body of your post was "Two more of Canada?s first responders killed themselves this week, bringing the total number of suicides by Canadian paramedics, firefighters, police officers, dispatchers and prison staff to 13 in roughly ten weeks.".

The "Lesson" you take from this is you're "surprised Canada hasn't learned from watching their neighbours to the south."

How the fuck do you connect these dots? What exactly are you trying to say?

When my mom got sick with cancer, she received all of her tests and medicine for free. When she fell at her home and could not get up, an ambulance came and 2 technicians took amazing care of her. She was afraid to go to the Hospital, and these techs took their time (almost an hour) keeping her calm, explain what they were going to do, and kept a great attitude the entire time. My mom was actually happy when they took her. I was impressed with the care they gave her.

These responders and techs see alot of horror. They see car crashes, dismembered limbs and brains splattered all over the place and yet they manage to do their jobs every day, and do so with amazing care and patience.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You think that somehow because a couple of these amazing people get depressed and kill themselves, that this somehow makes your system and politics better. Is the only way you can feel happy about the shit that is your situation is to find imaginary trouble somewhere else, come to the wrong conclusions, post about it, and wait for the applause? At the expense of some depressed first responders at that?

Sorry BD - but Mark's spot-on here.

[georgeyw]

So let me understand this BD. You don't understand that thesebsuicides are due to the occupation and have zero to do with the system.

If you had half a brain, you would realise it is very common for this occupation...

[MiamiBoyz]

13 is a good start indeed but they can do better...lets see you guys get those numbers up!

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

How is this different than the US and what does it have to do with our health care? Just a quick google search shows New York cops suicide rate is more than double regular citizens, as just one example.

The old man forgot to take his meds, don't be harsh with him