Are you Anti-Gay if you don't kiss another man on your job?

[blackmonsters]

If you are an actor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...usaolp00000592

If a female actor did not want to kiss me, I wouldn't think it meant anything.
She would simply be one out of millions of other females who never cared to kiss me.

[mineistaken]

Thats what gay propagandists would like society to think.

[Best-In-BC]

I dont care at all, but Im sure fucking sick of listening to everyone in there special groups whinning when they have already won the real fight.

[Cherry7]

Is "on your job" slang for something?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Is "on your job" slang for something?

"angry black penis"


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[CurrentlySober]

Would kiss? NO FUCKING WAY!

Would 'Thuck Off' & / or allow myself to be anally penetrated?

HEELLLLLLLLLS YEAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!

[dyna mo]

this is exactly how I became a porner.

I lost my lucrative Abercrombie&Fitch modeling contract because I refused to act gay when the ad campaigns switched to the gay undertones. I started slinging porn to pay the bills.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Is "on your job" slang for something?

Yes, it's slang understood by people who have actually worked a job though.

[CDSmith]

For the record I'm not seeing any sort of outcry about this from the gay community in that Huffpost article. All it does is report the guy as quitting the show because he doesn't like the direction his role is taking.

I wonder how many guys turned down a lead in Brokeback Mountain? Maybe we should crucify them as well.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

For the record I'm not seeing any sort of outcry about this from the gay community in that Huffpost article. All it does is report the guy as quitting the show because he doesn't like the direction his role is taking.

I wonder how many guys turned down a lead in Brokeback Mountain? Maybe we should crucify them as well.

It doesn't make a bit of sense to me to hire straight actors to play gay love scenes.
Where does the "Method Acting" come from in that scenario?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_acting

[bronco67]

I guess he's not that good of an actor. If Bruce Willis, Josh Hartnett and Mark Ruffalo can kiss a guy passionately, then why can't he?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I guess he's not that good of an actor. If Bruce Willis, Josh Hartnett and Mark Ruffalo can kiss a guy passionately, then why can't he?

So, because you are a good actor, I guess you'll be taking it up the ass in the next porno shoot to save money on hiring a gay actor.

[Seth Manson]

I dont see an issue with it. He obviously isnt gay and kissing a man is beyond his personal comfort level.

Just because you dont want to do gay scenes with someone does not mean you are anti-gay.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

I dont see an issue with it. He obviously isnt gay and kissing a man is beyond his personal comfort level.

Just because you dont want to do gay scenes with someone does not mean you are anti-gay.

And the guy who doesn't want to do scenes with people of another race is?

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

It doesn't make a bit of sense to me to hire straight actors to play gay love scenes.
Where does the "Method Acting" come from in that scenario?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_acting

The story makes it sound like he was on the show most of last season and he played a female vampires boyfriend. It sounds like they only added the gay element to it for this season. There is a good chance when they hired him that they didn't know they were going to have his character have a gay storyline or they likely would have told him about it up front when he was first hired.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by kane

The story makes it sound like he was on the show most of last season and he played a female vampires boyfriend. It sounds like they only added the gay element to it for this season. There is a good chance when they hired him that they didn't know they were going to have his character have a gay storyline or they likely would have told him about it up front when he was first hired.

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

So because they get paid XYZ money (his movie career will make him more money than that HBO job would have) they should throw out any personal reservations and do what they are told?

The guy working minimum wage at XYZ Superstore has a job while many people don't. Should he do whatever he is told and be happy that he has a job?

What about you? Do you bend over just because somebody gives you a couple bucks?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

And the guy who doesn't want to do scenes with people of another race is?

Being gay is not a race issue.
You weaken the argument for gays by making the comparison.

Race and sexual orientation have no biological links.
One does not depend on or negate the other; they are entirely separate.
They have an entirely separate history.

When gays argue their case through references to civil rights struggles that involved black people then the argument becomes about Blacks and not gays.
This is so because you are not talking about your problems; you're just talking about blacks and claiming gays have the same issues.

But to answer your question, I will make the comparison :
I don't require a White man to eat watermelon and chitterlings to prove he accepts me; so why would gays require that I kiss a man for their acceptance?

It is at this juncture that gay rights and civil rights took completely opposite paths.
Blacks didn't require Whites to kiss them during the integration of schools and still don't.

To put it simply; you're asking for too much.

Asking for too much is the best way to create resistance when there previously was little or none.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

And the guy who doesn't want to do scenes with people of another race is?

can't think of one actor that applies to... you get and A for effort though

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

You make it sound as if negotiation is not part of employment.
You make it sound like a model hired for $100k non-nude shoot should just be grateful for the money after I pull a "bait and switch" for a hardcore DP scene.
I'd tell you that in a proper modern society that would simply be a rape charge.
Forced sex through undue influence.
The duress being that the person is already counting on the money and now the threat of not being paid or "never work in this town again".
The criminal requirement is met by the fraudulent booking.

Where is the free country we speak of when an employee cannot negotiate pay and conditions?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Sly

What about you? Do you bend over just because somebody gives you a couple bucks?

Based on his arguments, I can only assume he does.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

So you're okay with having a psychiatrist perform open heart surgery on you? He should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself a doctor.

I've never worked a job where I felt obligated to do something outside my personal definition of good conscience.

But then again - I'm not a whore in Hollywood.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

I too can see how he might be a little annoyed, but that is part of TV. You may never know what can happen from season to season.

Still, I don't think he should have been forced to roll with it. If he isn't comfortable doing it he should be free to leave and that should be the end of it. Which is what appears to have happened. I don't see any articles call him out for being a homophobe or there being any big drama around this other than here on GFY.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You make it sound as if negotiation is not part of employment.
You make it sound like a model hired for $100k non-nude shoot should just be grateful for the money after I pull a "bait and switch" for a hardcore DP scene.
I'd tell you that in a proper modern society that would simply be a rape charge.
Forced sex through undue influence.
The duress being that the person is already counting on the money and now the threat of not being paid or "never work in this town again".
The criminal requirement is met by the fraudulent booking.

Where is the free country we speak of when an employee cannot negotiate pay and conditions?

Kind of a false equivalency, comparing mainstream love scenes to porn. You realize there's no actual sex TV shows and 99% of movies?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by kane

I too can see how he might be a little annoyed, but that is part of TV. You may never know what can happen from season to season.

Still, I don't think he should have been forced to roll with it. If he isn't comfortable doing it he should be free to leave and that should be the end of it. Which is what appears to have happened. I don't see any articles call him out for being a homophobe or there being any big drama around this other than here on GFY.

He should be free to leave...but what kind of character does that show?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So you're okay with having a psychiatrist perform open heart surgery on you? He should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself a doctor.

I've never worked a job where I felt obligated to do something outside my personal definition of good conscience.

But then again - I'm not a whore in Hollywood.

Again with the false equivalencies. Playing a part in a TV show isn't putting someone's life in jeopardy. Man, you guys suck at arguing. How about making a good point?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Kind of a false equivalency, comparing mainstream love scenes to porn. You realize there's no actual sex TV shows and 99% of movies?

Why is there a difference, they are both jobs and employees have rights.
Doesn't really matter if they only swap spit and not dicks.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why is there a difference, they are both jobs and employees have rights.
Doesn't really matter if they only swap spit and not dicks.

Because you're talking about forced sex. No one could claim they were raped during a kissing scene with genital covers on. You're doing a bad job of winning this argument. Give me something I can't smack down without thinking.

[bronco67]

By the way, I was saying that if kissing a guy is your job and you are an ACTOR, you should be a good enough actor do it and ACT like you enjoy it.

I didn't say that if you cut hedges for a living, you should bury puppies up to their necks and run over them with a lawnmower when your boss asks.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Because you're talking about forced sex. No one could claim they were raped during a kissing scene with genital covers on. You're doing a bad job of winning this argument. Give me something I can't smack down without thinking.

You are deflecting to an aside circumstance that clearly uses hyperbole to illustrate a further reaching event.

It's like I told you "You can't make silk from a sows ear" and you argued that free trade with China would remove the need for the sows ear.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He should be free to leave...but what kind of character does that show?

Actually to me it shows a lot of character. It shows that the guy has certain feelings and beliefs about what he is and isn't willing to do and he isn't willing to compromise them for money.

Yes, he is an actor and his job is to play various characters, but it doesn't mean he should have to compromise who he is in the process.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You are deflecting to an aside circumstance that clearly uses hyperbole to illustrate a further reaching event.

It's like I told you "You can't make silk from a sows ear" and you argued that free trade with China would remove the need for the sows ear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-talk

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-talk

Hey man, nobody is going to stop you from slobbing it up with a dude on your next film.
But fuck you if you criticize me for not being your stand in.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Being gay is not a race issue.
You weaken the argument for gays by making the comparison.

Race and sexual orientation have no biological links.
One does not depend on or negate the other; they are entirely separate.
They have an entirely separate history.

When gays argue their case through references to civil rights struggles that involved black people then the argument becomes about Blacks and not gays.
This is so because you are not talking about your problems; you're just talking about blacks and claiming gays have the same issues.

But to answer your question, I will make the comparison :
I don't require a White man to eat watermelon and chitterlings to prove he accepts me; so why would gays require that I kiss a man for their acceptance?

It is at this juncture that gay rights and civil rights took completely opposite paths.
Blacks didn't require Whites to kiss them during the integration of schools and still don't.

To put it simply; you're asking for too much.

Asking for too much is the best way to create resistance when there previously was little or none.

You didn't answer my question.

Saying someone has morals for not kissing a Gay man on screen, but saying they are racist if they refuse to kiss someone of another race. Racists would say the man has morals for refusing to kiss someone of another race

[Emmasturbate]

Maybe you are 'anti-gay' if you will not perform fellatio on a man
or accept anal intercourse as the person being anally penetrated?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Hey man, nobody is going to stop you from slobbing it up with a dude on your next film.
But fuck you if you criticize me for not being your stand in.

/endthread

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

You didn't answer my question.

Saying someone has morals for not kissing a Gay man on screen, but saying they are racist if they refuse to kiss someone of another race. Racists would say the man has morals for refusing to kiss someone of another race

My argument has nothing to do with morals; I'm talking about preference.
Sexual preference to be exact.

A kiss is a sexual thing, that's what it being used for in the scene.
Gays say they don't have a sexuality choice but somehow heterosexuals do when it comes to kissing.

You're full of shit, and that's why I don't want to kiss your mouth.
How about that?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

My argument has nothing to do with morals; I'm talking about preference.
Sexual preference to be exact.

A kiss is a sexual thing, that's what it being used for in the scene.
Gays say they don't have a sexuality choice but somehow heterosexuals do when it comes to kissing.

You're full of shit, and that's why I don't want to kiss your mouth.
How about that?

Ha ha! :P

It's just that I don't see the big deal and I really don't care. Gay actors kiss the opposite sex on screen ALL THE TIME! But yeah , like I said, I really don't care, who kisses who doesn't impact my life, but it did affect that actors life

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

Ha ha! :P

It's just that I don't see the big deal and I really don't care. Gay actors kiss the opposite sex on screen ALL THE TIME! But yeah , like I said, I really don't care, who kisses who doesn't impact my life, but it did affect that actors life

The thumbs up says it all; you are glad he got lost his job for not being gay.

Thank you.

[mike-x]

What the rates for Popup, Banners, IM, traffic?

[CurrentlySober]

my bottom itches...

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Emmasturbate

Maybe you are 'anti-gay' if you will not perform fellatio on a man
or accept anal intercourse as the person being anally penetrated?

That stuff is on a different tier from kissing. Any actor should be prepared to kiss a guy for a role, and ACT like he likes it. He's an actor and that's what they do.



If he was being asked to penetrate or be penetrated, then he would be in gay porn, not a mainstream movie.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

My argument has nothing to do with morals; I'm talking about preference.
Sexual preference to be exact.

A kiss is a sexual thing, that's what it being used for in the scene.
Gays say they don't have a sexuality choice but somehow heterosexuals do when it comes to kissing.

You're full of shit, and that's why I don't want to kiss your mouth.
How about that?

But do you understand that being an actor is a job?

[MiamiBoyz]

Din't really seem to bother or hurt the careers of those two guys who where in a movie you may have heard of called - Broke Back Mountain.

It is called acting. A real actor can play any part and is not afraid of roles out of his or her comfort zone.

Clearly it hit a bit too close to home for this closet case fairy boy.

[bronco67]

If Bruce Willis can do it, then any other actor should be able if he's getting paid what he needs. The thought of kissing a guy is stomach churning to me, but I'd get through it for the right money.

[pornmasta]

If you are not ok the get fucked in the ass by some random dude, you ARE homophobic

[Amputate Your Head]

The premise of this entire discussion hinges on the idea that being anti-gay is somehow a bad thing. What's wrong with being anti-gay? Political correctness has warped your minds beyond reason.

[WDF]

What I want to know is:

Is your aunt gay if she kisses your sister but shakes your hand?


If a kiss is truly a sexual thing:

Are you having incest when you kiss a family member or your mother?

[GregE]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I could see being a little annoyed if you thought your job was rubbing up against Debra Ann Woll, but then it got changed to a gay plotline -- but the guy should be happy to get paid hundreds of times more than the average working person to play "make believe". If his job is to make believe he's gay, then he should be able to roll with it or he can't call himself an actor.

Just like any actress who is too uncomfortable to be nude in a movie that the part demands. You're in the wrong line of work if you're too good to show your tits, when Anne Hathaway does it all the time -- and she's no B movie actor.

Actors and actresses turn down roles that include scenes they're uncomfortable with all the time. This is nothing new.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by WDF

What I want to know is:

Is your aunt gay if she kisses your sister but shakes your hand?


If a kiss is truly a sexual thing:

Are you having incest when you kiss a family member or your mother?

If you you kiss a family member or your mother like you kiss your girlfriend I'd be more than a little worried.