Interesting read for those against hunting

[Sly]

A legitimate question that is difficult to answer. Without hunting licenses, who/what pays for the wildlife conservation of a continent that is broke? Certainly not Facebook outrage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...e-of-life.html

[arock10]

Africa is just tricky no matter what

[MaDalton]

that continent probably makes 50% of all money disappear in corruption - and another 40% is used to buy weapons for endless wars

so i would would have an idea...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that continent probably makes 50% of all money disappear in corruption - and another 40% is used to buy weapons for endless wars

so i would would have an idea...

Ending corruption and ending war.

The African utopia.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

Ending corruption and ending war.

The African utopia.

yes - so we rather shoot more lions, elephants, rhinos etc for money, right?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Sly

Ending corruption and ending war.

The African utopia.

"To dream, the impossible dream ??."

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

yes - so we rather shoot more lions, elephants, rhinos etc for money, right?

You are talking about ending two things that are built into the human race. I'm talking about creating a legitimate program that licenses sanctioned kills that follow natural resource guidelines and using the license fees to continue building out real wildlife preserves.

Your solution has been an issue since man existed. My solution is already working.

[Ferus]

If a murder is prevented, because the murdere rape a victim in the way to the scene, is rape then a good thing?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that continent probably makes 50% of all money disappear in corruption - and another 40% is used to buy weapons for endless wars

so i would would have an idea...

Are you claiming this isn't happening in America?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Ferus

If a murder is prevented, because the murdere rape a victim in the way to the scene, is rape then a good thing?

Are you asking the rape victim or the murder victim that got away?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

You are talking about ending two things that are built into the human race. I'm talking about creating a legitimate program that licenses sanctioned kills that follow natural resource guidelines and using the license fees to continue building out real wildlife preserves.

Your solution has been an issue since man existed. My solution is already working.

that doesn't mean i must like your solution and cannot protest against it ;)

[Bladewire]

The best wildlife conservation is to trap and kill poachers, and buyers, then put them on public display, perhaps as a wall mount or taxidermed in a strange position.

They could even create a museum filled will all the pieces of art, and charge for entrance, that would fund the program full circle

Hunting is important to curb overpopulation. I'm all for hunting.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Are you asking the rape victim or the murder victim that got away?

my point exactly

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

The best wildlife conservation is to trap and kill poachers, and buyers, then put them on public display, perhaps as a wall mount or taxidermed in a strange position.

They could even create a museum filled will all the pieces of art, and charge for entrance, that would fund the program full circle

Hunting is important to curb overpopulation. I'm all for hunting.

Doesn't sound like you read the article at all.

The industry is also responsible for boosting the country?s large mammal population, a measure that excludes animals such as rodents, to 24 million, the most since the 19th century, and up from 575,000 in the early 1960s, Wouter van Hoven, an emeritus professor at the University of Pretoria, said in an interview last month. By contrast animal numbers in Kenya, which focuses on eco-tourism, have plunged 80 percent since it banned hunting in 1977.

You have good intentions; however in this case you are a do-gooder.

https://www.google.com/search?q=do-gooder

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[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Ferus

my point exactly

That's too bad because I think what I typed was fucking stupid.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

The best wildlife conservation is to trap and kill poachers, and buyers, then put them on public display, perhaps as a wall mount or taxidermed in a strange position.

They could even create a museum filled will all the pieces of art, and charge for entrance, that would fund the program full circle

Hunting is important to curb overpopulation. I'm all for hunting.

While I agree that poachers need to be dealt with, severely, it does not solve the money problem.

It's very easy for us to tear apart the Africans for destroying their animals and the Brazilians for destroying their rain forests, but they have real issues just like we do: money. They want a nice living as well. They will try to get it by using the resources that they have, which just so happens to be something that the more developed world finds beautiful but doesn't want to financially support.

[Jman]

We should all just dump mud buckets on our head... Hey it will be trendy, makes us look like good people who want to save the world

[slapass]

The black rhino could be saved so easily but logic is not used. They could free range them and cut the horns off without killing the animal and sell them. Instead it is illegal to sell them so people do it quickly and kill the animal in the process.

Brazil is similar. They cut the trees and pay the fines so they can ranch or plant the eucylytus trees. The tree farms come back from the stump and are the fastest growing tree on the planet. More of those and soon pulp prices are so low that no one is cutting the rain forest. And honestly Brasil sees this and is doing a better job then most in getting this to a sustainable system.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Sly

While I agree that poachers need to be dealt with, severely, it does not solve the money problem.

It's very easy for us to tear apart the Africans for destroying their animals and the Brazilians for destroying their rain forests, but they have real issues just like we do: money. They want a nice living as well. They will try to get it by using the resources that they have, which just so happens to be something that the more developed world finds beautiful but doesn't want to financially support.

I wont pretend to know the ins and outs of the African mentality towards their environment, after all we have people in our culture who would happily recreate Easter Island out of the North American continent if we let them.

I don't tear apart the Africans for their plight. It seems so many great thinkers have tried to find the key change their mentality and circumstance but so far nothing has stuck long enough to make a great difference.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

I wont pretend to know the ins and outs of the African mentality towards their environment, after all we have people in our culture who would happily recreate Easter Island out of the North American continent if we let them.

I don't tear apart the Africans for their plight. It seems so many great thinkers have tried to find the key change their mentality and circumstance but so far nothing has stuck long enough to make a great difference.

The great thinkers enriched themselves through exploiting wildlife for profit.
Much wealth was made from the buffalo and other animals in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_trade

The hypocrisy of a person living in some place like New York city telling people in Africa not to kill animals is off the chart.
Rats and roaches are the only wildlife left in NYC and they are really trying to kill them all.

Manhattan simply could not exist amidst the deer and antelope playing


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[aka123]

Originally Posted by Sly

A legitimate question that is difficult to answer. Without hunting licenses, who/what pays for the wildlife conservation of a continent that is broke? Certainly not Facebook outrage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...e-of-life.html

Well, game ranching is not that much conservation (it's ranching), but I guess there is some real conservation too.

"Chris Mercer, a director of the Campaign Against Canned Hunting, says numbers alone are an irrelevant indicator of conservation success. While South Africa has about 10,000 lions, a seemingly healthy population, about 75 percent are bred in captivity, mostly for hunting, he said. Canned hunting is a reference to a now discouraged practice of shooting captive-bred lions in relatively small enclosures. "

I am not against canned hunting, but as a hunter I keep it as a similar than shooting cows. But hey, you can shoot your cows if you want.

[brassmonkey]

i love to hunt. for food not sport

[aka123]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i love to hunt. for food not sport

LOL. There is something seriously wrong with this definition. If I got this right, using the prey (for food, etc.) gives you meaningful purpose to hunt. Much better definition.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Ferus

If a murder is prevented, because the murdere rape a victim in the way to the scene, is rape then a good thing?

Someone raped an elephant or what's your point? I think this goes under sex tourism, not hunting tourism.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by aka123

LOL. There is something seriously wrong with this definition. If I got this right, using the prey (for food, etc.) gives you meaningful purpose to hunt. Much better definition.

i make venison stew around the holidays. my mom turned me on to it. we hunted i think 3 days tracking a buck. pork and beans and sleeping in the forest. will never forget it. people kill animals and never eat them. my way is the apache way