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NEW XTC · 08-24-2014, 01:10 PM

I long for the good old days of Dictators (torture chambers and all) that would let people live a little and be tolerant of the various religions and sects...this murder-enforced-theocracy shit is the scariest mess we've ever faced.

ISIL poses maybe the worst conundrum for the US that I've seen in my lifetime. They are the ultimate catch 22 - they are a true grass roots movement of the people (crazy religious nuts) but still - the people.

To take them out will mean wholesale massacre of innocent women and children - ISIL is completely intertwined with the civilians and it's impossible to kill them without killing women kids...also many ISIL fighters are as young as 13. You kill one and it helps them recruit 10 new Jihadists. The US may irreversibly damage itself and pit the entire Muslim world against us if (when) we start slaughtering this movement.

Bush/Cheney fought an illegal trumped up war on bogus pretenses and took down Saddam Hussein who led a secular and tolerant government, this left a power vacuum that was ripe for insane murderous groups like ISIL to thrive.

We learned the hard way that taking down secular dictators in this region - and giving the people the chance to govern themselves (they tend to want to go all Islamonuts) is a disastrous policy. As in Egypt, Libya, Syria - you take out a dictator- well worse shit erupts.

They will likely eventually succeed in creating the Caliphate or "Islamic State" - this shit aint goin away anytime soon. Obama will go down in history more than anything as "The Pres when IS came to be" this is truly going to be HIS WAR and it's un-winable.

Ferus · 08-24-2014, 01:23 PM

nooo - We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators

Captain Kawaii · 08-24-2014, 01:35 PM

The Egyptian rapper who killed Foley was son of one of Bin Laden's top LT's who is now imprisoned in the US awaiting trial. In general I don't smell "insane jihadists" I smell retribution. Who knows who is behind IS may not even be Arab or entirely Arab. Media loves portraying shit they don't understand as "insane jihad" so they don't to have explain events US and other govs do not want explained.

Bush and Cheney were "insane jihadists" after money and oil. Iraq's current puppet government is in a shambles and Israel is being bombed from the north and the south. With China giving the finger to the US in so many ways are we not seeing the beginning of ww3?

It may not be a German Blitzkrieg but I see it as a pot on the stove that is simmering and the temperature is rising. One day the stew will hit the ceiling, imho.

Long a western puppet, Jordan could be next.

Ever been bullied? Only a matter of time until "shit happens."

Mutt · 08-24-2014, 01:35 PM

Well this is 20/20 hindsight - I know the motivation for the war on Iraq was far from altruistic but the US at the same time did want to nation build there, help the Iraqis govern themselves in some form of democratic style religious state. The American public wailed to get US troops out of there, it was way to soon to leave, and now look what the Iraqis are dealing with.

ISIL isn't the people, they are sick twisted fucks masquerading as Muslims.

The scary part is they're taking on a hip/cool image the way LA gangs did 30 years ago and there are tons of angry alienated young males in Western countries joining their movement.

NewNick · 08-24-2014, 01:56 PM

never mind Jordan, the prize is Saudi

Joshua G · 08-24-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NEW XTC

this murder-enforced-theocracy shit is the scariest mess we've ever faced.

LOL your history is as dumb as your bitcoin threads. Maybe if you studied in school you would know the cuban missile crisis, the attack on pearl harbor, the US civil war, & the entire chapter of US history from 1770 - 1813 was a massive clusterfuck, far more threatening to the US public than a bunch of dumbasses in the desert who've killed exactly 1 american.

just go back to touting BTC at 7500 in 2018.

Captain Kawaii · 08-24-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

never mind Jordan, the prize is Saudi

royals there are such a band of whoring drunks. they'd sell it if they could.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-24-2014, 04:36 PM

Forget invasions and nation building that hasn't worked out to well.

If a nation or some group is openly hostile, threatening with real violence, not just shooting their mouths off: Take them out with prejudice -- fast and clean.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." American president Theodore Roosevelt

Barry-xlovecam · 08-24-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

LOL .... far more threatening to the US public than a bunch of dumbasses in the desert who've killed exactly 1 american. ...

It is not one American journalist at issue -- IS (ISIL ISIS) has been mass murdering their adversities, not tantamount to a genocide yet, but heading that way, in that that direction. e.g.; stop the genocide of the Yazdi minority by IS (ISIL ISIS). Another Rwanda will not help US standing in the world.

There are serious tactical issues in fighting a guerilla war with terrorists. They are not an easily identifiable army. But with "death squads" comprised of locals on the ground calling in drone attacks, we could off them like killing rats -- and that is what they are -- vermin.

This is the only way to stop these assholes. Do you really believe they will be satisfied with domination of a 'sand lot'?

There is no need to carpet bomb or use indiscriminate measures. They are starting to shit bricks and murder Americans because the US air strikes have targeted a few light weapons vehicles -- they ain't seen shit yet.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-24-2014, 05:07 PM

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An American journalist kidnapped nearly two years ago has been freed in Syria following Qatari mediation and handed over to UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights.

Peter Theo Curtis was handed over to UN peacekeepers in the village of al-Rafid, Quneitra, on Sunday. He has since been turned over to representatives from the US government after undergoing medical check-up, the UN said.

Curtis' family thanked both the governments of the US and Qatar, as well as others who helped negotiate his release.

According to a statement from his family, Curtis was captured in October 2012 and was reportedly held by the al-Nusra Front or by splinter groups allied with the al-Qaeda-affiliated group.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...444444921.html

See, they are already shittin' bricks without a shot fired - go in for the kill and be done with them.

crockett · 08-24-2014, 05:40 PM

The simple solution.. Seal them off let them destroy them selfs.. How many Arab car companies are there? How many Arab aircraft manufactures are there? They don't create shit hell they don't even create their own military supplies.. It's all from the West, Russia and China, Japan.. Ect..ect.. Arabs don't create shit but bombs and misery.

Stop selling them cars, stop selling them airliners and guns, cut the internet, tele lines and just let the whole relation go black. Check back in 50 years and see if they made any progress.. If not wait 100 years the next time.. At 200 years of no progress just nuke the entire region and be done with it.

Joshua G · 08-24-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It is not one American journalist at issue -- IS (ISIL ISIS) has been mass murdering their adversities, not tantamount to a genocide yet, but heading that way, in that that direction. e.g.; stop the genocide of the Yazdi minority by IS (ISIL ISIS). Another Rwanda will not help US standing in the world.

There are serious tactical issues in fighting a guerilla war with terrorists. They are not an easily identifiable army. But with "death squads" comprised of locals on the ground calling in drone attacks, we could off them like killing rats -- and that is what they are -- vermin.

This is the only way to stop these assholes. Do you really believe they will be satisfied with domination of a 'sand lot'?

There is no need to carpet bomb or use indiscriminate measures. They are starting to shit bricks and murder Americans because the US air strikes have targeted a few light weapons vehicles -- they ain't seen shit yet.

come on man. they are nothing more than the Islamic KKK. They only look powerful because syria & Iraq are utterly lawless. You wont see ISIL invading Turkey, Iran or Saudi Arabia guaranteed. They are like dumbass US militias only there is no FBI to fuck them up over there.

as far as im concerned, this is their heyday, & soon it will be all downhill, because they are sending out enough alarm bells that the pentagon has them in their sights now. It will take time, but the tide will soon turn on ISIL.

SilentKnight · 08-24-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NEW XTC

I long for the good old days of Dictators (torture chambers and all) that would let people live a little and be tolerant of the various religions and sects...this murder-enforced-theocracy shit is the scariest mess we've ever faced.

ISIL poses maybe the worst conundrum for the US that I've seen in my lifetime. They are the ultimate catch 22 - they are a true grass roots movement of the people (crazy religious nuts) but still - the people.

To take them out will mean wholesale massacre of innocent women and children - ISIL is completely intertwined with the civilians and it's impossible to kill them without killing women kids...also many ISIL fighters are as young as 13. You kill one and it helps them recruit 10 new Jihadists. The US may irreversibly damage itself and pit the entire Muslim world against us if (when) we start slaughtering this movement.

Bush/Cheney fought an illegal trumped up war on bogus pretenses and took down Saddam Hussein who led a secular and tolerant government, this left a power vacuum that was ripe for insane murderous groups like ISIL to thrive.

We learned the hard way that taking down secular dictators in this region - and giving the people the chance to govern themselves (they tend to want to go all Islamonuts) is a disastrous policy. As in Egypt, Libya, Syria - you take out a dictator- well worse shit erupts.

They will likely eventually succeed in creating the Caliphate or "Islamic State" - this shit aint goin away anytime soon. Obama will go down in history more than anything as "The Pres when IS came to be" this is truly going to be HIS WAR and it's un-winable.

You sound like a sympathetic recruiter.

Go fuck yourself.

RummyBoy · 08-24-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

You sound like a sympathetic recruiter.

Go fuck yourself.

Sympathetic recruiter?

You're Mr. Magoo offspring?

druid66 · 08-25-2014, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

The simple solution.. Seal them off let them destroy them selfs.. How many Arab car companies are there? How many Arab aircraft manufactures are there? They don't create shit hell they don't even create their own military supplies.. It's all from the West, Russia and China, Japan.. Ect..ect.. Arabs don't create shit but bombs and misery.

Stop selling them cars, stop selling them airliners and guns, cut the internet, tele lines and just let the whole relation go black. Check back in 50 years and see if they made any progress.. If not wait 100 years the next time.. At 200 years of no progress just nuke the entire region and be done with it.

brilliant idea i love it i would do this.

problem could be to actually force all interested parties (china, russia, us) to cooperate in this isolation.

beside this, there's oil factor problem - if we will block them totally how can we get oil from them.

and for the last - military manufactors need to sell their products and it's easiest to sell where there's war.

if this 3 points could be passed i would really love to see your idea to happend, sounds perfect solution to me.

oh, and think what would happend if in such isolated system some plaque/disease will hit? with no support from western medicine that could be end for islam, one fucked up religion less in the world...

pimpmaster9000 · 08-25-2014, 03:03 AM

list of problems US politics has caused so far...

the black problem...

the US enslaved so many black people that the USA is now "Gang central"...no other country in the world is such a fucking failure, not even 3rd world countries have the level of crime the USA does

the commie problem...

the USA made so many communist enemies that the world is still polarized and feeling the cold war effects even today...

the arab problem...

the USA invited themselves to other peoples oil, under bullshit excuses, and the world is feeling the effect...

the israel problem...

they plain str8 out gave somebody elses land to an ancient jewish people that supposedly lived there 2000 years ago...ok the brits were in on it as well...

if you step back and look, the USA is responsible for 90% of the shit in the world today...man the world should build a wall to keep them in LOL...but the USA will claim it is innocent because its military budget is more than the next 14 countries combined

Joshua G · 08-25-2014, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

The simple solution.. Seal them off let them destroy them selfs.. How many Arab car companies are there? How many Arab aircraft manufactures are there? They don't create shit hell they don't even create their own military supplies.. It's all from the West, Russia and China, Japan.. Ect..ect.. Arabs don't create shit but bombs and misery.

Stop selling them cars, stop selling them airliners and guns, cut the internet, tele lines and just let the whole relation go black. Check back in 50 years and see if they made any progress.. If not wait 100 years the next time.. At 200 years of no progress just nuke the entire region and be done with it.

for a progressive, that sure is republican of you.

i might suggest that institutional slavery is the reason arab & african nations are struggling. If you take a population of people, kill all the smart & productive ones for a dozen generations, what innovations can you expect from them?

shouldnt be a suprise that places which enjoy peace & wealth are able to innovate while places which are constantly at war are not.

Mutt · 08-25-2014, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

for a progressive, that sure is republican of you.

i might suggest that institutional slavery is the reason arab & african nations are struggling. If you take a population of people, kill all the smart & productive ones for a dozen generations, what innovations can you expect from them?

shouldnt be a suprise that places which enjoy peace & wealth are able to innovate while places which are constantly at war are not.

The Middle East has had oil for over a century, why are their children running around in filthy hand me down clothes from the West? Why are they uneducated? Can't blame the West for that.

"kill all the smart & productive ones for a dozen generations" - who were these smart and productive ones and who killed them?

Europe's history is filled with war yet technological and scientific innovation flourished.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 05:43 AM

Who are you going to isolate?

Establishing a cordon sanitaire sounds nice but in reality it won't work. You can isolate a country's government but not a faction that are participants in a terrorist campaign.

The very places you want to isolate have their peoples living in fear of these Jihadists. So you say leave them to their own means and condemn them to subjugation or death.

This is the problem with interventionist and isolationist theory. Either way you get condemned.

Joshua G · 08-25-2014, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

The Middle East has had oil for over a century, why are their children running around in filthy hand me down clothes from the West? Why are they uneducated? Can't blame the West for that.

"kill all the smart & productive ones for a dozen generations" - who were these smart and productive ones and who killed them?

Europe's history is filled with war yet technological and scientific innovation flourished.

the execution of slaves that are able to lead or to read is well documented in history.

& the innovations came from the countries that were the empires, not the countries that were conquered by the empires.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 03:18 PM

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Islamic State Now Resembles the Taliban With Oil Fields
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ith-oil-fields

The Islamic State, which now controls an area of Iraq and Syria larger than the U.K., may be raising more than $2 million dollars a day in revenue from oil sales, extortion, taxes and smuggling, according to U.S. intelligence officials and anti-terrorism finance experts. ... ?The Islamic State is probably the wealthiest terrorist group we?ve ever known,? said Matthew Levitt, a former U.S. Treasury terrorism and financial intelligence official who now is director of the counterterrorism and intelligence program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. ?They?re not as integrated with the international financial system, and therefore not as vulnerable? to sanctions, anti-money laundering laws and banking regulations. ...

Sanctions, embargoes, or isolationism are not going to help. Someone has to get blood on their hands. If their are locals ready to fight equip them to do it. A more certain solution would be a possibly apocalyptic one, and that is a no gain equation -- that might trigger the last war ...

What if; IS would just consolidate their holdings in the middle east and extort the oil price to over $200/barrel? Other oil exporters would just match the new market price.

Economic warfare with the rest of the world may be their end game too. There is more than one way to hand the world "heads in a bag." If this will be the case, a massive economic extortion: The last great recession that we are recovering from may be seen as a holiday picnic in retrospect.

Invasion is out of the question as there is no regular army to defeat. The local fighter ally will have a police action for years to control the Jihadists. So, there must be an organized local defense.

The Assad government has invited foreign military intervention to its assistance with ISIS in Syria but only with coordination with the Syrian government. The Syrians seem to think us foreigners need their permission even if Syria goes down the toilet alone with their false pride.

If no one does anything -- this will not turn out pretty. If we do take an interventionist position -- this will not turn out pretty. Either way, it is a lose - lose deal. So, which is the most palatable loss?

crockett · 08-25-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

for a progressive, that sure is republican of you.

i might suggest that institutional slavery is the reason arab & african nations are struggling. If you take a population of people, kill all the smart & productive ones for a dozen generations, what innovations can you expect from them?

shouldnt be a suprise that places which enjoy peace & wealth are able to innovate while places which are constantly at war are not.

But we didn't enslave Arabs and they were at one point the most advanced civilization in the world. Their downfall comes down to one thing.. That's forcing Islam aka Religion on the masses and not allowing critical thinking to take place.

This is no one's fault but their own. The West, mostly Europe also had to deal with this, but critical thinking won out and advancements were made once the Church was put into it's place.

The middle East is not comparable to Africa in that sense because the Middle East did have the opportunity to move away from the stone age and move into an industrial revolution which is what advanced the West as well as the East..

The middle East however chose to stick with Religion as top fiddle and still live in the stone age due to it and have become nothing more than a play toy for the other advanced countries.

Also, I've never claimed to be a progressive. I'm liberal about somethings and conservative about other things. I just like to laugh and poke fun at the radical conservatives here on GFY, because they are hypocrites. I used to agree with Republicans on many issues, until they went bat shit crazy.

_Richard_ · 08-25-2014, 03:25 PM

if only there was a group of religious thugs we could arm and fund to fight these monsters

then we'd truly be safe

Rochard · 08-25-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Well this is 20/20 hindsight - I know the motivation for the war on Iraq was far from altruistic but the US at the same time did want to nation build there, help the Iraqis govern themselves in some form of democratic style religious state. The American public wailed to get US troops out of there, it was way to soon to leave, and now look what the Iraqis are dealing with.

ISIL isn't the people, they are sick twisted fucks masquerading as Muslims.

The scary part is they're taking on a hip/cool image the way LA gangs did 30 years ago and there are tons of angry alienated young males in Western countries joining their movement.

Ten years and billions of dollars is plenty of time - it was time for us to leave.

The problem is they view society and their neighbors differently than we do. We do not care what nationality or religion our neighbor or store keeper is, but for them it means everything. They cannot visit a shop owned by someone of a different religion, or do business with them, or be friendly neighbors. Imagine being over qualified for a job and not getting it because you pray to a different god, or a different version of their god, or no god at all?

Society will never be "one size fits all". Until they accept this, they will always be backwards.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if only there was a group of religious thugs we could arm and fund to fight these monsters

then we'd truly be safe

At times, you have to do your own dirty work or suffer the consequences.

And again, you have to deal with the lose-lose scenario.

Then there is the Neville Chamberlain school of thought -- appeasement. That worked out well with Hitler when the Nazis took most of Europe ... Heads-in-the-sand in its outcome.

No matter how you play it this will be a lose -- lose deal.

BFT3K · 08-25-2014, 04:12 PM

If you are buying into this newly manufactured "terror group" I have a bridge to sell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXXcwuJtbQ

The puppet masters want the next 911 to occur under Obama, and now they've created ISIS - their latest new "terror group" complete with evil boogie men.

Once the next false flag operation is carried out, the media will immediately connect the ISIS dots, the sheeple will accept it, (as they are programed to do), and all of our remaining rights and freedoms will bite the dust.

Optimistic enough for you?

_Richard_ · 08-25-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

At times, you have to do your own dirty work or suffer the consequences.

And again, you have to deal with the lose-lose scenario.

Then there is the Neville Chamberlain school of thought -- appeasement. That worked out well with Hitler when the Nazis took most of Europe ... Heads-in-the-sand in its outcome.

No matter how you play it this will be a lose -- lose deal.

unless your business is military funding and relevance.

i am just curious, how often does the crucible has to play out in real life, before people decide to pull their heads from the sand..

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

If you are buying into this newly manufactured "terror group" I have a bridge to sell you.

The puppet masters want the next 911 to occur under Obama, and now they've created ISIS - their latest new "terror group" complete with evil boogie men.

Once the next false flag operation is carried out, the media will immediately connect the ISIS dots, the sheeple will accept it, (as they are programed to do), and all of our remaining rights and freedoms will bite the dust.

Optimistic enough for you?

I don't think there is that great of a threat domestically -- those claims of another 9/11 are 99% scare tactics.

The economic threat outlined above is more credible. One more oil shock to the world economy might cause another real war. That is the real threat here. The US could withstand an oil shock, there is enough domestic production (or reserve) here to minimize the damage. Europe would be in worse shape. Asia, especially China and Japan would have real problems.

How might the Chinese might react? To appease IS and pay ransom for oil or simply attack? The Chinese should be taking a more proactive position in the resistance of IS tactics or are they somehow behind it? That seems doubtful as they have great economic risk too.

Look at the big picture and not sound bites of youtube wisdom.

Clinton could have nipped this in the bud but he was busy being impeached of getting a blow job in the oval office closet. GW Bush played cowboy and avenged his daddy's attempted assassins leaving this mess to happen. Obama withdrew our troops to create the vacuum in which these Jihadists now flourish. So no matter what is done it is lose -- lose in the new Islamic State.

Meantime, the UN has declared IS (ISIS, ISIL) guilty of war crimes setting the ball in motion for justification of intervention. A new "Winds of War". I don't like this anymore that you do. But it is what it is.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 05:12 PM

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=15531

And what of Shia Iran and Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Islamic State's sworn enemies -- even closer and within reach as compared to far off China and the United States. The Saudis and Iranians are silent. (In horror of events?) The Saudis and Iranians are big mouth ballsy attacking the Israelis with rhetoric but when someone is a real threat they hide under their women's skirts like little girls.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-25-2014, 05:24 PM

It seems the House of Saud has hired the Egyptians to do the dirty work in Libya

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/wo...ikes.html?_r=0

CAIRO ? Twice in the last seven days, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have secretly launched airstrikes against Islamist-allied militias battling for control of Tripoli, Libya, four senior American officials said, in a major escalation of a regional power struggle set off by Arab Spring revolts.

The United States, the officials said, was caught by surprise: Egypt and the Emirates, both close allies and military partners, acted without informing Washington, leaving the Obama administration on the sidelines. Egyptian officials explicitly denied to American diplomats that their military played any role in the operation, the officials said, in what appeared a new blow to already strained relations between Washington and Cairo.

A fighter from the Zintan brigade after rockets fired by one of Libya's militias struck and ignited a fuel tank in Tripoli earlier this month.

The strikes in Tripoli are another destabilizing salvo in a power struggle defined by old-style Arab autocrats battling Islamist movements seeking to overturn the old order. Since the military ouster of the Islamist president in Egypt last year, the new government and its backers in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have launched a campaign across the region ? in the news media, in politics and diplomacy, and by arming local proxies ? to roll back what they see as an existential threat to their authority posed by Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

DraX · 08-25-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

The Egyptian rapper who killed Foley was son of one of Bin Laden's top LT's who is now imprisoned in the US awaiting trial. In general I don't smell "insane jihadists" I smell retribution. Who knows who is behind IS may not even be Arab or entirely Arab. Media loves portraying shit they don't understand as "insane jihad" so they don't to have explain events US and other govs do not want explained.

Bush and Cheney were "insane jihadists" after money and oil. Iraq's current puppet government is in a shambles and Israel is being bombed from the north and the south. With China giving the finger to the US in so many ways are we not seeing the beginning of ww3?

It may not be a German Blitzkrieg but I see it as a pot on the stove that is simmering and the temperature is rising. One day the stew will hit the ceiling, imho.

Long a western puppet, Jordan could be next.

Ever been bullied? Only a matter of time until "shit happens."

Things are definitely cooking in the world today.

I think this whole IS movement would happen sooner or later cause of the natural islamic mentality.

But this is still in the early stage and much unforeseen can still happen.

GregE · 08-25-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The Assad government has invited foreign military intervention to its assistance with ISIS in Syria but only with coordination with the Syrian government. The Syrians seem to think us foreigners need their permission even if Syria goes down the toilet alone with their false pride.

If no one does anything -- this will not turn out pretty. If we do take an interventionist position -- this will not turn out pretty. Either way, it is a lose - lose deal. So, which is the most palatable loss?

Actually playing ball with Assad isn't such a bad idea.

Air power alone won't eliminate ISIS and we - understandably - don't want to put our own troops on the ground.

But ... there are already troops on the ground. Namely Assad's army in Syria and the Kurds in Iraq. Air support and satellite intelligence should be provided to both.

Iraq's regular army is of course worse than worthless and should be left out of the equation altogether.

GregE · 08-26-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NEW XTC

...They will likely eventually succeed in creating the Caliphate or "Islamic State" - this shit aint goin away anytime soon. Obama will go down in history more than anything as "The Pres when IS came to be" this is truly going to be HIS WAR and it's un-winable.

And so, you're suggesting what?

The western world should now just sit back like a deer with it's eyes caught in the headlights and wait for it to happen?

No way is it gonna go down like that.

_Richard_ · 08-26-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It seems the House of Saud has hired the Egyptians to do the dirty work in Libya

egypt dude is cia.. has been, is now.

08-24-2014, 01:10 PM	#1
NEW XTC Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 738	Killing Theocracies - The US clusterfuck I long for the good old days of Dictators (torture chambers and all) that would let people live a little and be tolerant of the various religions and sects...this murder-enforced-theocracy shit is the scariest mess we've ever faced. ISIL poses maybe the worst conundrum for the US that I've seen in my lifetime. They are the ultimate catch 22 - they are a true grass roots movement of the people (crazy religious nuts) but still - the people. To take them out will mean wholesale massacre of innocent women and children - ISIL is completely intertwined with the civilians and it's impossible to kill them without killing women kids...also many ISIL fighters are as young as 13. You kill one and it helps them recruit 10 new Jihadists. The US may irreversibly damage itself and pit the entire Muslim world against us if (when) we start slaughtering this movement. Bush/Cheney fought an illegal trumped up war on bogus pretenses and took down Saddam Hussein who led a secular and tolerant government, this left a power vacuum that was ripe for insane murderous groups like ISIL to thrive. We learned the hard way that taking down secular dictators in this region - and giving the people the chance to govern themselves (they tend to want to go all Islamonuts) is a disastrous policy. As in Egypt, Libya, Syria - you take out a dictator- well worse shit erupts. They will likely eventually succeed in creating the Caliphate or "Islamic State" - this shit aint goin away anytime soon. Obama will go down in history more than anything as "The Pres when IS came to be" this is truly going to be HIS WAR and it's un-winable. __________________ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

08-24-2014, 01:35 PM	#3
Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	The Egyptian rapper who killed Foley was son of one of Bin Laden's top LT's who is now imprisoned in the US awaiting trial. In general I don't smell "insane jihadists" I smell retribution. Who knows who is behind IS may not even be Arab or entirely Arab. Media loves portraying shit they don't understand as "insane jihad" so they don't to have explain events US and other govs do not want explained. Bush and Cheney were "insane jihadists" after money and oil. Iraq's current puppet government is in a shambles and Israel is being bombed from the north and the south. With China giving the finger to the US in so many ways are we not seeing the beginning of ww3? It may not be a German Blitzkrieg but I see it as a pot on the stove that is simmering and the temperature is rising. One day the stew will hit the ceiling, imho. Long a western puppet, Jordan could be next. Ever been bullied? Only a matter of time until "shit happens." Last edited by Captain Kawaii; 08-24-2014 at 01:36 PM..

08-24-2014, 01:35 PM	#4
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Well this is 20/20 hindsight - I know the motivation for the war on Iraq was far from altruistic but the US at the same time did want to nation build there, help the Iraqis govern themselves in some form of democratic style religious state. The American public wailed to get US troops out of there, it was way to soon to leave, and now look what the Iraqis are dealing with. ISIL isn't the people, they are sick twisted fucks masquerading as Muslims. The scary part is they're taking on a hip/cool image the way LA gangs did 30 years ago and there are tons of angry alienated young males in Western countries joining their movement. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

08-24-2014, 01:56 PM	#5
NewNick Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,033	never mind Jordan, the prize is Saudi __________________ "Americas Hitler" JD Vance. “There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” Tucker Carlson. “a convicted felon rapist is now your president” OneHungLow, gfy.com

08-24-2014, 04:36 PM	#8
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Forget invasions and nation building that hasn't worked out to well. If a nation or some group is openly hostile, threatening with real violence, not just shooting their mouths off: Take them out with prejudice -- fast and clean. "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." American president Theodore Roosevelt

08-24-2014, 01:23 PM	#2
Ferus Bye - Left to do stuff Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4,109	nooo - We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators

08-24-2014, 05:40 PM	#11
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	The simple solution.. Seal them off let them destroy them selfs.. How many Arab car companies are there? How many Arab aircraft manufactures are there? They don't create shit hell they don't even create their own military supplies.. It's all from the West, Russia and China, Japan.. Ect..ect.. Arabs don't create shit but bombs and misery. Stop selling them cars, stop selling them airliners and guns, cut the internet, tele lines and just let the whole relation go black. Check back in 50 years and see if they made any progress.. If not wait 100 years the next time.. At 200 years of no progress just nuke the entire region and be done with it. Last edited by crockett; 08-24-2014 at 05:48 PM..

08-25-2014, 03:03 AM	#16
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	list of problems US politics has caused so far... the black problem... the US enslaved so many black people that the USA is now "Gang central"...no other country in the world is such a fucking failure, not even 3rd world countries have the level of crime the USA does the commie problem... the USA made so many communist enemies that the world is still polarized and feeling the cold war effects even today... the arab problem... the USA invited themselves to other peoples oil, under bullshit excuses, and the world is feeling the effect... the israel problem... they plain str8 out gave somebody elses land to an ancient jewish people that supposedly lived there 2000 years ago...ok the brits were in on it as well... if you step back and look, the USA is responsible for 90% of the shit in the world today...man the world should build a wall to keep them in LOL...but the USA will claim it is innocent because its military budget is more than the next 14 countries combined

08-25-2014, 05:43 AM	#19
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Who are you going to isolate? Establishing a cordon sanitaire sounds nice but in reality it won't work. You can isolate a country's government but not a faction that are participants in a terrorist campaign. The very places you want to isolate have their peoples living in fear of these Jihadists. So you say leave them to their own means and condemn them to subjugation or death. This is the problem with interventionist and isolationist theory. Either way you get condemned.

08-25-2014, 03:25 PM	#23
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,986	if only there was a group of religious thugs we could arm and fund to fight these monsters then we'd truly be safe

08-25-2014, 04:12 PM	#26
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	If you are buying into this newly manufactured "terror group" I have a bridge to sell you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXXcwuJtbQ The puppet masters want the next 911 to occur under Obama, and now they've created ISIS - their latest new "terror group" complete with evil boogie men. Once the next false flag operation is carried out, the media will immediately connect the ISIS dots, the sheeple will accept it, (as they are programed to do), and all of our remaining rights and freedoms will bite the dust. Optimistic enough for you? Last edited by BFT3K; 08-25-2014 at 04:14 PM..

08-25-2014, 05:12 PM	#29
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=15531 And what of Shia Iran and Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Islamic State's sworn enemies -- even closer and within reach as compared to far off China and the United States. The Saudis and Iranians are silent. (In horror of events?) The Saudis and Iranians are big mouth ballsy attacking the Israelis with rhetoric but when someone is a real threat they hide under their women's skirts like little girls.