Cop kills 68 yr old unarmed man in his own driveway after slow speed chase.

[blackmonsters]

The prosecutor wanted to charge him with voluntary manslaughter, punishable by up to 30 years in prison but a grand jury decided on a misdemeanor charge.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ml?cps=gravity

[brassmonkey]

shoot first

[Robbie]

What a crock of shit. That cop should be charged with murder plain and simple.

If anyone other than a cop were to kill somebody for ANY reason, they would be thrown in jail and await trial.

The justice system is a joke. The cops, prosecutors, and judges are all good buddies and on the same team.
Hell, when you see election signs for Judges they are bragging about being "endorsed" by law enforcement.

It doesn't get much more biased than that.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

If anyone other than a cop were to kill somebody for ANY reason, they would be thrown in jail and await trial.

That's not true at all.

This morning in LA the mayor of Bell Gardens (Down by LA) was shot dead by his wife during a domestic dispute. Although she told the police she shot and killed him, she was let go. Zimmerman wasn't arrested at first either.

If there are circumstances where a shooting might be justified and the shooter is not a flight risk, they will most likely not be arrested. In the case of the Mayor this morning it was during a domestic dispute and their son was a witness, and in the case of Zimmerman he claimed self defense.

I don't know the details of this case, but the first sentence tells me all I need to know: "a laid-back former mechanic with a habit of ignoring police officers who tried to pull him over". No matter what, if you refuse to pull over for police it quickly escalates into a felony stop, guns are drawn, and it becomes a dangerous situation. This man got shot because he was an ass.

[Tom_PM]

Nope. The man got shot because the cop was an ass.

[Captain Kawaii]

Bell Gardens...California speak for Shithole.

But yeah, ignore the police in 2014 and expect what you get. That hero, making a statement shit is over.

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's not true at all.

This morning in LA the mayor of Bell Gardens (Down by LA) was shot dead by his wife during a domestic dispute. Although she told the police she shot and killed him, she was let go. Zimmerman wasn't arrested at first either.

If there are circumstances where a shooting might be justified and the shooter is not a flight risk, they will most likely not be arrested. In the case of the Mayor this morning it was during a domestic dispute and their son was a witness, and in the case of Zimmerman he claimed self defense.

I don't know the details of this case, but the first sentence tells me all I need to know: "a laid-back former mechanic with a habit of ignoring police officers who tried to pull him over". No matter what, if you refuse to pull over for police it quickly escalates into a felony stop, guns are drawn, and it becomes a dangerous situation. This man got shot because he was an ass.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's not true at all.

This morning in LA the mayor of Bell Gardens (Down by LA) was shot dead by his wife during a domestic dispute. Although she told the police she shot and killed him, she was let go. Zimmerman wasn't arrested at first either.

If there are circumstances where a shooting might be justified and the shooter is not a flight risk, they will most likely not be arrested. In the case of the Mayor this morning it was during a domestic dispute and their son was a witness, and in the case of Zimmerman he claimed self defense.

I don't know the details of this case, but the first sentence tells me all I need to know: "a laid-back former mechanic with a habit of ignoring police officers who tried to pull him over". No matter what, if you refuse to pull over for police it quickly escalates into a felony stop, guns are drawn, and it becomes a dangerous situation. This man got shot because he was an ass.

they need proof to arrest. it is norm to let suspects go. even after the killing

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

But yeah, ignore the police in 2014 and expect what you get. That hero, making a statement shit is over.

There's nothing "heroic" or "making a statement" about it.

Cops work for the people. They are paid by our taxes.

It's not their job to shoot people. It's their job to protect people.
That cop wasn't "protecting" anybody in any way, shape, or form. And instead he killed a man.

At least that piece of shit cop who shot that unarmed black guy a week ago at the gas station has been fired, arrested, and is facing 20 years in prison. About fucking time one of them faced the same consequences as everyone else for committing a crime.

You give cops a license to kill with almost no limits and no punishment...and they will kill people.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This man got shot because he was an ass.

oh, well that makes it OK then. Cops can kill people if they (or you) think the person is an ass.

justified homicide!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

oh, well that makes it OK then. Cops can kill people if they (or you) think the person is an ass.

justified homicide!

I didn't say that.

You put the police into a position where a felony stop is required, you are obviously putting your life at risk. A felony stop means guns are drawn and pointing at you and at this point yes, you are in danger. When police have you pulled over at gun point and you are refusing to cooperate a single wrong move can mean you are going to get shot. It's just that simple.

[dyna mo]

this perp must have really been an ass huh! he got what was coming to him

police officer who repeatedly fired through the driver's side door.

that's what you get for being an ass. killed by a fuckwad cop firing bullets at ya through the door.

1 less ass. the cop should be next, based on this 3rd grader's logic, he's clearly an ass.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I didn't say that.

You put the police into a position where a felony stop is required, you are obviously putting your life at risk. A felony stop means guns are drawn and pointing at you and at this point yes, you are in danger. When police have you pulled over at gun point and you are refusing to cooperate a single wrong move can mean you are going to get shot. It's just that simple.

that's exactly what you said. You said the guy got shot through his door (and killed) for being an ass.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I didn't say that.

You put the police into a position where a felony stop is required, you are obviously putting your life at risk. A felony stop means guns are drawn and pointing at you and at this point yes, you are in danger. When police have you pulled over at gun point and you are refusing to cooperate a single wrong move can mean you are going to get shot. It's just that simple.

Yes Rochard, we know.. the police are never wrong, even when they are. Every single one of us knows this already, which is why nothing ever happens to these thugs. Yes, that's what the police are these days, thugs.

And jack asses like you who blindly support these thugs are a large part of the reason why nothing ever happens to them...

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I didn't say that.

You put the police into a position where a felony stop is required, you are obviously putting your life at risk. A felony stop means guns are drawn and pointing at you and at this point yes, you are in danger. When police have you pulled over at gun point and you are refusing to cooperate a single wrong move can mean you are going to get shot. It's just that simple.

Well that's the whole problem then. Refusing to stop immediately for a cop should not be a death sentence and we should not accept that as the norm just because that's the way things seem to be heading.

Start charging these piece of shit cops with murder and i bet you'll see less of them executing civilians for minor disobedience or moving too fast or acting twitchy.

[dyna mo]

rochard, when you get shot by the cops for owning an inventory of illegal assault rifles, will that be because you are an ass or?

[SuckOnThis]

I'm starting to think Rochard owns a Winchells or two.

[Robbie]

I saw that Rochard is quoted calling it a "felony stop".

WTF?

A "felony" is now a low speed chase where you wait to pull over into your own driveway?
And also...I didn't know that a REAL felony was an automatic death sentence carried out by a "public servant" acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

It's really, really simple.
If you give a group of people the ability to do certain things to other people with no recrimination...they will do whatever you've given them the ability to do.
In this case...murder people.

Start arresting, charging, and convicting cops of murder and these shootings will come to a screeching halt.

Cops will actually have to start interacting with people again instead of barking orders and treating us like dogs.

[420]

The cop clearly thought his life was in danger.

[SBJ]

from the article

The lawsuit alleges Craven ignored the Edgefield deputies' orders to stop and let them manage the chase when it entered their county, about 2 miles from Satterwhite's home.

Wow that is fucked up! We are talking about a LOW speed chase here.

Edgefield County deputies who joined in the chase reported that Craven ran up to Satterwhite's parked car and fired several shots into the driver's side door, telling the other officers that Satterwhite tried to grab his gun.

So let me see if I get the picture here.. A cop from another town that had ZERO jurisdiction here and was told to stop chasing him and let their local officers handle it.. He runs up a fires several shot into a drivers side door??

This guy should be fired and charged with murder!

[edit]I did see where he was fired which is good but not enough

[XXXBizXXX]

Is there any other method beside of killing the suspect for stopping them? high voltage electric charge,etc... I really don't get it.

[10 Inch Dick]

Imagine the unimaginable. Earl Earnest Jr. the 3rd pulls over when told and everyone lives happily after. But thats too much to ask for. Im sure he had no priors and his mug shot in the article is from Lions Club yearbook.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by 10 Inch Dick

Imagine the unimaginable. Earl Earnest Jr. the 3rd pulls over when told and everyone lives happily after. But thats too much to ask for. Im sure he had no priors and his mug shot in the article is from Lions Club yearbook.

Imagine that he didn't want to stop because he knew one day a pig would shot him when he did stop just like what happened.



This is why nobody wants to stop for a vile piece of shit like you :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoyr5vEXU

[10 Inch Dick]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Imagine that he didn't want to stop because he knew one day a pig would shot him when he did stop just like what happened.



This is why nobody wants to stop for a vile piece of shit like you :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoyr5vEXU

I can't imagine any of it. So as 99.9% of people who do chose to pull over when told so.
So if we get rid on 0.01% of scum like you by doing this, be it. You won't be missed by many

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by 10 Inch Dick

I can't imagine any of it. So as 99.9% of people who do chose to pull over when told so.
So if we get rid on 0.01% of scum like you by doing this, be it. You won't be missed by many

STFU Fake Nicker.

Say it 3 times fast.

[blackmonsters]

This is the reality :

Lying cops beating people and trying to send someone to jail for years for bullshit they make up :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoTfLykVcA


Grape Sodomy, mineistupid and 10-cent-Prick on duty.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Yes Rochard, we know.. the police are never wrong, even when they are. Every single one of us knows this already, which is why nothing ever happens to these thugs. Yes, that's what the police are these days, thugs.

And jack asses like you who blindly support these thugs are a large part of the reason why nothing ever happens to them...

I'm not saying the cops were right.

I'm saying.... If are such an ass that you refuse to be pulled over for a minor traffic violation, causing the police to do a felony stop with guns drawn.... At a certain point you are intentionally forcing police to draw their weapons putting your life in danger. And he paid for his stupidity with his life.

[420]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Grape Sodomy, mineistupid and 10-cent-Prick on duty.

lol




.

[MrBottomTooth]

"Stop reaching for my gun! Why are you reaching for my gun?" Lol. Zero fucks given by these cops.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoTfLykVcA

I just watched that video.

Wow.

Those cops should be taken and strung up. Fucking unbelievable.

I don't see how anybody could possibly watch that video and say that group of bullies were justified in any way at all.
That was plain and simple a fucking crime committed by those cops.

And the sad part is...they do shit like that every damn day.

It's why the police union is 100% AGAINST cops actually wearing cameras on their uniforms.
They know the kind of people that cops are.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I didn't say that.

You put the police into a position where a felony stop is required, you are obviously putting your life at risk. A felony stop means guns are drawn and pointing at you and at this point yes, you are in danger. When police have you pulled over at gun point and you are refusing to cooperate a single wrong move can mean you are going to get shot. It's just that simple.

You should take 2 minutes, well maybe for you 5 minutes, to read the story and get what facts from it you can before you spout your bullshit.

just my

.

[SuckOnThis]

Here's a fucking pig stealing 50k from a motorist in Nevada

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You should take 2 minutes, well maybe for you 5 minutes, to read the story and get what facts from it you can before you spout your bullshit.

just my

.

YUP! The truth will set you free.

from the article

Police records show Satterwhite had been arrested more than a dozen times for traffic violations, most of them for driving under suspension or under the influence. Most of the charges led to convictions. He also was charged at least three times for failing to stop as officers tried to pull him over. But his record shows no evidence he ever physically fought with an officer.

I'd like to know why you think this is a "Felony traffic stop" There is nothing "felony" about a "low speed chase" and I dare you to look up and show me how what he did falls under "felony" cause this guy has done this at least 3 other times. (Any time you commit 3 felonies you would be in prison for life). I've looked it up and a felony would be if he tried to evade and broke more than 2 traffic laws and put people around him at risk (running stop signs, high rate of speed...)

My take is this cop knew exactly who this guy was and that he's a habitual traffic offender and that day he wasn't going to arrest him for the 14th time so he murdered him and used the "he went for my gun.."

be sure to read my quotes before this post and you will see that this cop was told not to keep pursuing him outside his county and kept pursuing anyways. Once the guy stops in his driveway he runs up to the drivers window and shoots into the truck 5 times. Four out of the 5 hit him and 2 were in the chest. Why did he run up to the guys window when he stopped in his driveway? Why would he get so close to this guy that this old man could reach for his gun as the cop says he did? He has been arrested over a dozen times and never had a resisting arrest or anything that showed aggression but his 13th or 14th time he decides to go for the cops gun??

[EngineCash]

This is not something they have right to shoot for, but... Sad story really...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The prosecutor wanted to charge him with voluntary manslaughter, punishable by up to 30 years in prison but a grand jury decided on a misdemeanor charge.

I didn't read the article but I believe I know what country it is about

[Hentaikid]

The way some people talk about US cops, they seem to be dangerous, unpredictable animals with a hair trigger temperament, instead of the responsible human beings professionally trained to interact with the public one would expect.

[michael.kickass]

Crazy shit.

[10 Inch Dick]

Originally Posted by SBJ

YUP! The truth will set you free.

from the article

Police records show Satterwhite had been arrested more than a dozen times for traffic violations, most of them for driving under suspension or under the influence. Most of the charges led to convictions. He also was charged at least three times for failing to stop as officers tried to pull him over. But his record shows no evidence he ever physically fought with an officer.

I'd like to know why you think this is a "Felony traffic stop" There is nothing "felony" about a "low speed chase" and I dare you to look up and show me how what he did falls under "felony" cause this guy has done this at least 3 other times. (Any time you commit 3 felonies you would be in prison for life). I've looked it up and a felony would be if he tried to evade and broke more than 2 traffic laws and put people around him at risk (running stop signs, high rate of speed...)

My take is this cop knew exactly who this guy was and that he's a habitual traffic offender and that day he wasn't going to arrest him for the 14th time so he murdered him and used the "he went for my gun.."

be sure to read my quotes before this post and you will see that this cop was told not to keep pursuing him outside his county and kept pursuing anyways. Once the guy stops in his driveway he runs up to the drivers window and shoots into the truck 5 times. Four out of the 5 hit him and 2 were in the chest. Why did he run up to the guys window when he stopped in his driveway? Why would he get so close to this guy that this old man could reach for his gun as the cop says he did? He has been arrested over a dozen times and never had a resisting arrest or anything that showed aggression but his 13th or 14th time he decides to go for the cops gun??

Ofcourse they knew who this lowlife was and thats why he was treated as one. Round them all up this way or let them street race in blackmonster's hood. That way they will eliminate each other and save everyone else's time.

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

This is the reality :

Lying cops beating people and trying to send someone to jail for years for bullshit they make up :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoTfLykVcA


Grape Sodomy, mineistupid and 10-cent-Prick on duty.

We all know about police brutality/stupidity but looks unbelievable every time I see something like this.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SBJ

YUP! The truth will set you free.

from the article


I'd like to know why you think this is a "Felony traffic stop" There is nothing "felony" about a "low speed chase" and I dare you to look up and show me how what he did falls under "felony" cause this guy has done this at least 3 other times.

It's called "Eluding a Police Officer".

In the state of Michigan, if you have prior charges of eluding an officer, it is in fact a 3rd degree felony:

If a collision of accident occurs as a result, or part of the violation occurs in an area with a speed limit of 35 or less, or there are prior convictions for F&E, it?s a 3rd degree felony with up to 5 years imprisonment and/or $1000 fine, and license suspension.

http://michigancriminalattorney.com/...olice-officer/

Common fucking sense people. You poke the bear enough times, eventually the bear bitch smacks you. If you continue to intentionally put yourself into circumstances where you come into direct confrontation with local police and you run the risk of something like this happening.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Common fucking sense people. You poke the bear enough times, eventually the bear bitch smacks you. If you continue to intentionally put yourself into circumstances where you come into direct confrontation with local police and you run the risk of something like this happening.

How does any of that change the facts of this case?
It doesn't.

A cop fucked up and you have a hard time with that reality.

The best way to avoid a fucked up situation with a cop is to fire fucked up cops and
that would be common fucking sense.

[Tom_PM]

To protect and serve each other.

[Robbie]

Cops are "the bear" and are supposed to be able to "bitch smack" citizens?

You know, when I was a young man in the 1980's I had a few arguments with cops. I lived in Ft. Lauderdale right on the strip. And during Spring Break there in the 1980's there would be 500,000 college kids on a half mile strip.
So the cops were there in force.

Sometimes they would mistake me for a college kid on spring break and give me some shit.

And I would argue back with them. (A couple of times it was yelling at each other).

Afterwards we would shake hands, the cop would realize the mistake and we walked our separate ways.

These days? I can't even IMAGINE being able to state your case to a cop. The minute you try to explain yourself they tell you to "shut up".

And arguing with them? You would end up dead...or at the least, beaten very badly.

This is not the way it's supposed to be. Cops are supposed to work for US. Not be our lords and masters that we have to obey like we are children.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Cops are "the bear" and are supposed to be able to "bitch smack" citizens?

You know, when I was a young man in the 1980's I had a few arguments with cops. I lived in Ft. Lauderdale right on the strip. And during Spring Break there in the 1980's there would be 500,000 college kids on a half mile strip.
So the cops were there in force.

Sometimes they would mistake me for a college kid on spring break and give me some shit.

And I would argue back with them. (A couple of times it was yelling at each other).

Afterwards we would shake hands, the cop would realize the mistake and we walked our separate ways.

These days? I can't even IMAGINE being able to state your case to a cop. The minute you try to explain yourself they tell you to "shut up".

And arguing with them? You would end up dead...or at the least, beaten very badly.

This is not the way it's supposed to be. Cops are supposed to work for US. Not be our lords and masters that we have to obey like we are children.

they aren't, its just that now stories like this are sensationalized and people paint them all with the same brush. they are people just like the rest of us, and just like in any group of people some are extremely dangerous... Something they should screen more for, i'm sure we would all agree on that at least.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Hentaikid

The way some people talk about US cops, they seem to be dangerous, unpredictable animals with a hair trigger temperament, instead of the responsible human beings professionally trained to interact with the public one would expect.

there are a few bad apples in every bunch, they get more attention than the good ones. A million youtubes cops doing thier jobs and going home aren't gonna go viral.

nevertheless, putting cameras on all cops is what needs to happen and we will consequently see a lot less of this type of story.

I couldn't really give a shit other than the fact no one is supposed to be murdered for being an ass, this is Merica fuck yeah, we have the right and obligation to be asses.

[Robbie]

Glenn, I've had 2 traffic tickets over the last six years here in Vegas.

Both times I asked what I was being pulled over for. Both times I was told to "shut up"

Both times were in the evening.

Both times a second cop walked around to the passengers side shining lights in my wife's face and looking all around my car.

Both times you could plainly see that their gun holsters were unstrapped.

It's scary as hell. They create so much tension in their mannerisms these days that it LEADS to problems.

They could walk up with a pleasant attitude and explain what's going on and hear your side of the story. Just like cops used to do.

But instead they walk up acting jacked up and tense. Scaring the hell out of people.
And here in Vegas it's especially scary because they are setting records for shooting and killing unarmed citizens here.

[bronco67]

This just proves what I keep saying. A lot of cops are scared little boys trying to do a man's job.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Cops are "the bear" and are supposed to be able to "bitch smack" citizens?




These days? I can't even IMAGINE being able to state your case to a cop. The minute you try to explain yourself they tell you to "shut up".

.

and that's their problem...while they do have authority over us, cops forget they're OUR employees. And their prime directive shouldn't be to unload a clip into any perceived threat. It's a tough job, and part of it putting the lives of the citizens they've been tasked SERVING AND PROTECTING ahead of their own safety.

[Robbie]

I agree bronco67 is IS a tough job for SOME of them.

And a lot of it is made tougher by turning them into revenue collectors by the govt. and insurance companies.

But hell...I was once in a band with a guy whose job was to scuba dive into the nuclear power plant containers in Port St. Lucie, Fla. to maintenance them.
He wore all kinds of protective gear, but he KNEW he was gonna probably die from cancer. That was pretty stressful.
He didn't act like an asshole to everyone or kill anybody or bully anyone.

Guys working construction on high rise buildings. That has GOT to be stressful. One mistake and they are dead. Don't see them shooting people or acting like bullies to the general public every chance they get.

Teachers in public schools. Holy hell...that would have me shooting MYSELF! lol

The difference, in my opinion, is the almost UNLIMITED power cops were given to "fight" the "drug war" (And the fucked up part is...a lot of it was over pot. And it's quickly becoming legal in most places lol).
It seems like every few years the Supreme Court would grant them even MORE powers and abilities to trample the constitution.

I mean...my God, they are now jabbing needles in people's arms and taking their fucking BLOOD during traffic stops!
If that isn't the biggest invasion of privacy that you can do, I don't know what would be.

And like I said earlier: When you give a group of people that kind of power. And then you have a system where the prosecutors, judges, and cops are all on the same "team". AND you make it where it's very difficult to punish cops for illegal shit.

Then you end up with this kind of situation happening.

Is the job stressful? Yes for some of them (not all).
Is it the most stressful job a guy could have? No.
Does a stressful job make it "okay" to act in this manner? Apparently ONLY if you are a cop. Anybody else would be going to jail.

[dyna mo]

Let's not forget television is loaded, LOADED, with cop shows. And from what I've seen of them, they all depict cops abusing their badges. all of them. And the underlying theme that it's OK to do wrong if you're a cop and your motivation is based on thinking you are stopping a wrong. I.e., 2 wrongs make a right.

I would think that contributes significantly to the problem.

I'd also guess many cops come straight from the military/seeing action, that's a problem also.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Let's not forget television is loaded, LOADED, with cop shows. And from what I've seen of them, they all depict cops abusing their badges. all of them. And the underlying theme that it's OK to do wrong if you're a cop and your motivation is based on thinking you are stopping a wrong. I.e., 2 wrongs make a right.

I would think that contributes significantly to the problem.

I'd also guess many cops come straight from the military/seeing action, that's a problem also.

I was talking about that today. Claudia was watching an episode of "Law And Order SVU" on television and I said to her the same thing.

When I was a kid, it was shows like "Perry Mason" that were the big draw. Lawyers DEFENDING people and winning against overreaching prosecutors and cops.
And the cop show that was big back then was "Dragnet" in which Joe Friday played everything by the book and was a straight arrow cop.

These days? The big cop shows are all about the cops being perfect and taking down the "bad guys".

It's a subtle shift. But I think it plays into the same theme that Jimmy Carter described in an interview I read.
He said that when he was Governor of Georgia back in the early 1970's...when he attended the annual Governors meeting of all the governors in the U.S., the "bragging rights" went to the state with the least amount of people in prison.
But when he was invited to be an honorary speaker at the same meeting in the mid-2000's...he found that the "bragging rights" now went to the state with the MOST citizens in prison!