Liberals once again try to dumb down America's students.

[dyna mo]

The origins of the new AP U.S. History framework are closely tied to a movement of left-leaning historians that aims to ?internationalize? the teaching of American history. The goal is to ?end American history as we have known it? by substituting a more ?transnational? narrative for the traditional account.

This movement?s goals are clearly political, and include the promotion of an American foreign policy that eschews the unilateral use of force. The movement to ?internationalize? the U.S. History curriculum also seeks to produce a generation of Americans more amendable to working through the United Nations and various left-leaning ?non-governmental organizations? (NGOs) on issues like the environment and nuclear proliferation. A willingness to use foreign law to interpret the U.S. Constitution is likewise encouraged.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-stanley-kurtz


?As a mom when I look at that framework and see the anti-American themes, I have great concern. And I don?t want my children to be taught that America?s not exceptional,? Linahan said. ?It?s what is left out, Martin Luther King, our great founding fathers, George Washington gets one sentence.?

How bad is the new AP U.S. History Framework?
Here are a few key items verified with Larry Krieger (retired teacher and author recognized by the CB as one of the best AP teachers in 2004 and 2005) and Jane Robbins (Senior Fellow at the American Principles Project):

In the period of the American Revolution up to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, almost every Founding Father is omitted ? no Jefferson, Adams, Madison, or Franklin. The Framework excludes Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, Valley Forge, Saratoga, and Yorktown. The commanders and heroes of these pivotal battles are all omitted.

The lessons on the Civil War omit the Lincoln-Douglas debates, the Gettysburg Address, and the assassination of President Lincoln. The Framework once again omits crucial battles, key commanders, and the valor of common soldiers.

The lessons on World War II omit ?The Greatest Generation,? Truman, Hitler, D-Day, Midway, the Battle of the Bulge, and every military commander including Dwight Eisenhower. Inexplicably, Nazi atrocities against Jews and other groups are not required.
The CB concludes its treatment of WWII with this blunt statement: ?The decision to drop the atomic bomb raised questions about American values.?

The lessons on the Civil Rights Movement do not mention America?s first African-American President. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Cesar Chavez, Rosa Parks, the Navajo Code Talkers, Tuskegee Airmen, 442nd Infantry Regiment, and Barbara Jordan?s famous speech on the Constitution are all omitted.

[L-Pink]

But according to Crockett we should let teenagers dictate what they are taught in school. Ever hear of a stupider idea?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

But according to Crockett we should let teenagers dictate what they are taught in school. Ever hear of a stupider idea?

its crockett.
not the brightest bulb

[_Richard_]

damn liberals and their crusade against creationism

time to dust off the ol'camps, eh boys?

[dyna mo]

New Advanced Placement Framework Distorts America?s History

The new Framework inculcates a consistently negative view of the nation?s past. For example, the units on colonial America stress the development of a ?rigid racial hierarchy? and a ?strong belief in British racial and cultural superiority.? The Framework ignores the United States? founding principles and their influence in inspiring the spread of democracy and galvanizing the movement to abolish slavery.

The Framework continues this theme by reinterpreting Manifest Destiny. Instead of a belief that America has a mission to spread democracy and new technologies across the continent, the Framework teaches the nation ?was built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority.?

The units on colonial America focus unbalanced attention on the conflicts between the colonists and Native Americans. Students will learn about the Beaver Wars, Chickasaw Wars, and King Philip?s War, but they will learn little or nothing about the rise of religious toleration, the development of democratic institutions, and the emergence of a society that included a rich mix of ethnic groups.

A particularly troubling failure of the Framework is its dismissal of the Declaration of Independence and the principles so eloquently expressed there. The Framework?s entire discussion of this seminal document consists of just one phrase in one sentence: ?The colonists? belief in the superiority of republican self-government based on the natural rights of the people found its clearest American expression in Thomas Paine?s Common Sense and in the Declaration of Independence.? The Framework thus ignores the philosophical underpinnings of the Declaration and the willingness of the signers to pledge ?our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor? to the cause of freedom.

Ignoring Cultural Giants
The Framework also sidesteps any discussion of the personalities and achievements of American giants whose courage and conviction helped build United States. It excises Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and the other founders from the nation?s story. George Washington?s historical contributions are reduced to a brief sentence fragment noting his Farewell Address. Two pages later, the Framework grants teachers the flexibility to discuss the architecture of Spanish missions, suggesting it merits more attention than the heroes of 1776.

The Framework consistently emphasizes negative events while ignoring positive achievements. For example, although it does not mention the sacrifices U.S. civilians and armed forces made to defeat fascism, it does recommend teachers focus on ?[w]artime experiences, such as the internment of Japanese Americans, challenges to civil liberties, debates over race and segregation, and the decision to drop the atomic bomb [which] raised questions about American values.?

AP U.S. History should give students a balanced curriculum that acknowledges both the nation?s founding principles and its continuing struggles to be faithful to those principles. Instead, the new College Board Framework seems determined to create a cynical generation of what it calls ?apprentice historians.? Is this really what we want our children to learn about our nation?s history?



http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...ericas-history

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its crockett.
not the brightest bulb

Most of the libtards are not too bright, otherwise they would not be libtards (plague of any quality society).

[crockett]

Mad you can't win an argument in the other topic, so you have to start a new one.. LoL

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Mad you can't win an argument in the other topic, so you have to start a new one.. LoL

that would be neat and all, if that actually happened. feel free to quote that argument here to support your silly claim.

reality check: liberals started this nonsense.

[Vendzilla]

Liberals like a good idea, just don't like to deal with reality of making it work.
Conservatives are more prone to making it work.
Obama is going on and on about how the deficit has been brought under control, well it was the conservatives in the house that are responsible for that.
Also Obama is saying how great the economy has done, it's all about how he words it, yes it gets a little bit better each month, but only a very small bit. In reality, people are making less as the median wage has dropped over 8% under Obama.

If the Federal Reserve’s seemingly endless program of quantitative easing is stopped, the stock market will take a huge hit and a lot of people will lose their retirement. Just how long can the government keep that up? 4 Trillion Dollars and counting!

Then there is the Employer Mandate for Obamacare, something Obama has delayed, why? Because he knows the damage it's going to do to the US economy!

Too bad we don't have a president that can work with both sides, like Reagan or Clinton!

[Vendzilla]

Want to know more about how the liberals are lying about what's going on, read this
http://www.americantraditions.org/Ar...20Liberals.htm

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Want to know more about how the liberals are lying about what's going on, read this
http://www.americantraditions.org/Ar...20Liberals.htm

for some reason this popped out:

'The feminist movement has done great harm to our military'

i don't wanna bother polluting my mind with this garbage... so you mind letting me know how a bunch of angry old protesting women managed to 'do great harm' to your amazing military?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

for some reason this popped out:

'The feminist movement has done great harm to our military'

i don't wanna bother polluting my mind with this garbage... so you mind letting me know how a bunch of angry old protesting women managed to 'do great harm' to your amazing military?

Really? You can't see the obvious distraction and lowering of standards when women are put on ships/subs/front line areas? You're smarter than that.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Really? You can't see the obvious distraction and lowering of standards when women are put on ships/subs/front line areas? You're smarter than that.

lowering of standards?

perhaps the issue is more about discipline than 'lowered standards', yes

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

lowering of standards?

perhaps the issue is more about discipline than 'lowered standards', yes

You have zero idea what you are talking about.

[MiamiBoyz]

Really in 500 years or so when America is long gone and most likely humans are just another extinct species on this planet will it really matter who the fuck George Washington was...

Not really

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You have zero idea what you are talking about.

that's odd, i was thinking the same about you

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's odd, i was thinking the same about you

Good for you Richard. You got the last word in again, you must be right.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Good for you Richard. You got the last word in again, you must be right.

last word? i was just sharing my opinion of you like you did me.

so, was the don't ask don't tell a 'lowering of standards'.. or does that only apply to women?

I mean.. obviously the homosexual members of the military were able to restrain themselves from distraction.

but, as you said, i have no idea what i am talking about. other than, you know, talking about the actual facts and not some ad hominem bullshit

[dig420]

What the hell is wrong with you people? This 'liberal' slant on history isn't liberal. They're merely proposing to be truthful about our history, as opposed to the George Washington cherry tree myth bullshit that conservatives seem to prefer. One is true, one is a lie. Why is it considered conservative to fucking flat out lie and propagandize students? Why is science, hard facts and rational discussion only considered 'liberal' and for fuck's sake, why would you want to be on the 'conservative' side of this issue? You WANT stupid kids?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that would be neat and all, if that actually happened. feel free to quote that argument here to support your silly claim.

reality check: liberals started this nonsense.

So you think it's ok for conservatives to attempt to rewrite the history books because they didn't want teachers to have the ability to have a little more control on how they teach their classes to advanced students?

The conservatives got but hurt, because the school board decided to give more flexibility to teachers so they could actually teach advanced students, rather than just prep them for tests.

Because they got so but hurt over furthering the education they decided to rewrite the text books.

On one hand there was no rewriting of the text books, it just gave teachers the ability to teach rather than focus on tests. Then on the other hand the other group was trying to change what was taught to push a political agenda.

It baffles me that you can compare the two and come to the conclusion that dumbing down the history lesson was the right idea.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dig420

What the hell is wrong with you people? This 'liberal' slant on history isn't liberal. They're merely proposing to be truthful about our history, as opposed to the George Washington cherry tree myth bullshit that conservatives seem to prefer. One is true, one is a lie. Why is it considered conservative to fucking flat out lie and propagandize students? Why is science, hard facts and rational discussion only considered 'liberal' and for fuck's sake, why would you want to be on the 'conservative' side of this issue? You WANT stupid kids?

you could really blow their minds and mention the fact the 'conservative / liberal' mindset has gone back and forth over the past 100 years or so

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by dig420

What the hell is wrong with you people? This 'liberal' slant on history isn't liberal. They're merely proposing to be truthful about our history, as opposed to the George Washington cherry tree myth bullshit that conservatives seem to prefer. One is true, one is a lie. Why is it considered conservative to fucking flat out lie and propagandize students? Why is science, hard facts and rational discussion only considered 'liberal' and for fuck's sake, why would you want to be on the 'conservative' side of this issue? You WANT stupid kids?

I'd suggest you do more reading on this event prior to ranting at the rest of some of us re: politicized history because based on what you post, you're misunderstanding what is going on.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

So you think it's ok for conservatives to attempt to rewrite the history books because they didn't want teachers to have the ability to have a little more control on how they teach their classes to advanced students?

The conservatives got but hurt, because the school board decided to give more flexibility to teachers so they could actually teach advanced students, rather than just prep them for tests.

Because they got so but hurt over furthering the education they decided to rewrite the text books.

On one hand there was no rewriting of the text books, it just gave teachers the ability to teach rather than focus on tests. Then on the other hand the other group was trying to change what was taught to push a political agenda.

It baffles me that you can compare the two and come to the conclusion that dumbing down the history lesson was the right idea.

fill me in crockett, where did I state any of that? Like before, feel free to go try and find a post of mine where I've stated that.

I'll save you that time though and tell you: What I've done IN FACT is c&p smarter(than you and me) people's views on a topic you choose to cast as a lopsided political move by conservatives.

ftr, I disagree entirely with the politicization of ANYTHING. history, global warming, sex. etc. et al on&on yadda yadda

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Really? You can't see the obvious distraction and lowering of standards when women are put on ships/subs/front line areas? You're smarter than that.

I beg to differ.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by baddog

I beg to differ.

do you feel women are a 'lower standard' as well?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

last word? i was just sharing my opinion of you like you did me.

so, was the don't ask don't tell a 'lowering of standards'.. or does that only apply to women?

I mean.. obviously the homosexual members of the military were able to restrain themselves from distraction.

but, as you said, i have no idea what i am talking about. other than, you know, talking about the actual facts and not some ad hominem bullshit

Start with the basics, Physical Fitness Charts for male vs females vary greatly. A male scoring what females score would NOT pass. The list goes on ?..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'd suggest you do more reading on this event prior to ranting at the rest of some of us re: politicized history because based on what you post, you're misunderstanding what is going on.

Actually I think it's you that needs to re-read what is going on.

It started out as an typical local school board deciding to allow teachers to have more flexibility when teaching advanced students. The school board decided that it might be better to not focus on "tests" for these classes.

They decided a more open format might create a better learning environment, vs just teaching kids to pass a test. Ie they wanted to engage the kids brains not brainwash them.

There was no re-write of history or change in what was taught, they just decided to try and teach a different way.. This is what you seem to be calling evil liberalism..


Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee (RNC) created a mandate on "changing" education on the local level, by pushing pro patriotism, pushing pro free market agenda and down playing the bad stuff like slavery, civil disobedience and so forth.

The Conservatives then targeted the next election in Jefferson country and won the local school board elections. They then went dove first Into rewriting the school curriculum to align with the new RNC mandate and not even asking for I put from parents or teachers. By doing this they brought a political agenda to the schools where there had been none before..

This caused the teachers,students and parents to act together and walk out of the schools.

Yet somehow to you it's all the liberals fault as some how they forced the RNC to write mandate and then attempt to push it at the local levels..politicizing the schoolyards by trying to push political agenda to dumb down the students of this country rather than educate them.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Actually I think it's you that needs to re-read what is going on.

It started out as an typical local school board deciding to allow teachers to have more flexibility when teaching advanced students. The school board decided that it might be better to not focus on "tests" for these classes.

They decided a more open format might create a better learning environment, vs just teaching kids to pass at east. Ie they wanted to engage the kids brains not brainwash them.

There was no re-write of history or change in what was taught, they just decided to try and teach a different way.. This is a partly what you call liberalism..


Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee (RNC) created a mandate on "changing" education on the local level, by pushing pro patriotism, pushing pro free market agenda and down playing the bad stuff like slavery, civil disobedience and so forth.

The Conservatives then targeted the next election in Jefferson country and won the local school board elections. They then went head first I to rewriting the school curriculum to align with the new RNC mandate. By doing this they brought a political agenda to the schools where there had been none before..

This caused the teachers,students and parents to act together and walk out of the schools.

Yet somehow to you it's all the liberals fault as some how the liberal forced the conservatives to write mandate and then attempt to push it at the local levels..

oh, I'm fully versed in this subject. I doubt you've even read the pdf rnc mandate. I've also read the reports that show how fucking stupid it is to think kids at this level are capable of thinking in ideological perspectives when they are still being trained to learn but I didn't want to confuse the matter by bringing up that other crucial fact of this clusterfuck initiated by a clearly liberal agenda.

Look, you may want to live for the next generation having US history being based on white guilt, omissions and a lax view of what's right, feel free, but as a historian, I prefer at least an attempt at accuracy, not eschewing it for trying to teach ideology to kids that can't even think at that level anyway.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Start with the basics, Physical Fitness Charts for male vs females vary greatly. A male scoring what females score would NOT pass. The list goes on …..

by vary greatly, you're referring to the pull up test that women have a 50% fail rate with?

lets put the 50% who couldn't do the test aside.. what happens to the 50% who did? are there other standards that haven't been met?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by baddog

I beg to differ.

I know your daughter is in the military. But how much respect and confidence would a fellow Marine have for a female that is incapable of doing 3 pull ups? Less than 50% of females in the Marine Corp's are capable of doing 3 pull ups.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

by vary greatly, you're referring to the pull up test that women have a 50% fail rate with?

lets put the 50% who couldn't do the test aside.. what happens to the 50% who did? are there other standards that haven't been met?

No Richard, the standards were put aside to comply with diversification policy.

[dyna mo]

crockett, AP classes all have testing, that testing will be based on the APUSH framework, which consists of specific history, each called a Key COncept within the APUSH framework for example::::::::::::

APUSH, In a section on the Great Depression (Key Concept 7.2) we learn:

Although the New Deal did not completely overcome the Depression, it left a legacy of reforms and agencies that endeavored to make society and individuals more secure, and it helped foster a long-term political realignment in which many ethnic groups, African Americans, and working-class communities identified with the Democratic Party.

This sounds like the voice of the Democratic Party itself. It simply sets aside the numerous economists who argue that the New Deal prolonged and deepened the Depression and that its legacy of ?reforms? fostered patterns of dependency and the arrogation of extra-Constitutional powers to the federal government.


The broader problem in APUSH is not that it presents progressive readings of American history but that it presents such readings as settled and undisputed.

For a history course that is premised on fostering ?historical thinking skills??let?s remember: chronological reasoning, comparing and contextualizing, crafting historical arguments using historical evidence, and interpreting and synthesizing historical narrative?the lack of attention to well-grounded scholarship that presents different interpretations of U.S. history is remarkable.


APUSH often seems to be pushing something, and it is not critical, historical thinking. It is a worldview that emphasizes America as a place of European conquest, economic exploitation, and the struggle for basic rights against the power of the privileged. Sometimes these concerns break out into overt emphasis but they are present throughout.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

No Richard, the standards were put aside to comply with diversification policy.

in terms of politics was my understanding.. but getting back to the 50% who could do the pull ups

lowered standard?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

in terms of politics was my understanding.. but getting back to the 50% who could do the pull ups

lowered standard?

Sure, carrying an 80 pound pack into combat, how many women can do that?

Radar operator, etc, on a Naval ship? No problem, they might even do a better job provided the tension between sex starved horny young men doesn't out weigh the job they are doing.
That being said to get that job more suited for their skills still requires a lessening of boot camp standards to even get them in the barracks door.

The 50% that can do 3 pull ups? Big deal, that low number was set just to get some women into the Corps for PC reasons. How many 20 year old old male Marines do you think have problems doing 5-10 times that?


.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Sure, carrying an 80 pound pack into combat, how many women can do that?

Radar operator, etc, on a Naval ship? No problem, they might even do a better job provided the tension between sex starved horny young men doesn't out weigh the job they are doing.
That being said to get that job more suited for their skills still requires a lessening of boot camp standards to even get them in the barracks door.

i see. and the marine corps constitutes the entire US military?

i mean.. wouldn't feminists have actually helped the military by freeing up positions for more men to carry those 80 pounds sacks?

i remember having a female CO in the 72nd. only nice thing about her was the kilt she wore while screaming at us doing push ups.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

crockett, AP classes all have testing, that testing will be based on the APUSH framework, which consists of specific history, each called a Key COncept within the APUSH framework for example::::::::::::

APUSH, In a section on the Great Depression (Key Concept 7.2) we learn:

Although the New Deal did not completely overcome the Depression, it left a legacy of reforms and agencies that endeavored to make society and individuals more secure, and it helped foster a long-term political realignment in which many ethnic groups, African Americans, and working-class communities identified with the Democratic Party.

This sounds like the voice of the Democratic Party itself. It simply sets aside the numerous economists who argue that the New Deal prolonged and deepened the Depression and that its legacy of “reforms” fostered patterns of dependency and the arrogation of extra-Constitutional powers to the federal government.


The broader problem in APUSH is not that it presents progressive readings of American history but that it presents such readings as settled and undisputed.

For a history course that is premised on fostering “historical thinking skills”—let’s remember: chronological reasoning, comparing and contextualizing, crafting historical arguments using historical evidence, and interpreting and synthesizing historical narrative—the lack of attention to well-grounded scholarship that presents different interpretations of U.S. history is remarkable.


APUSH often seems to be pushing something, and it is not critical, historical thinking. It is a worldview that emphasizes America as a place of European conquest, economic exploitation, and the struggle for basic rights against the power of the privileged. Sometimes these concerns break out into overt emphasis but they are present throughout.

So let's assume there is a big secret plot to create a liberal media, liberalize the school system and Hollywood and what ever else your talking heads try to drill into your brain..

Let's say this is all true... So rather than correct these wrongs that you claim exist and centralize the things, you would instead support going full right wing bat shit crazy and teaching the extremes from the other direction?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

So let's assume there is a big secret plot to create a liberal media, liberalize the school system and Hollywood and what ever else your talking heads try to drill into your brain..

Let's say this is all true... So rather than correct these wrongs that you claim exist and centralize the things, you would instead support going full right wing bat shit crazy and teaching the extremes from the other direction?

again, you didn't read the rnc mandate, there's nothing in it re: specifics like you mention.

My solution to this would be to ditch the entire effort, start from scratch with as unbiased a team of scholars and educators as possible to put the framework together for teaching a broad view of American history for that level of instruction.

[Robbie]

dynamo...don't you understand?

If you don't agree 100% with the Democrat Party agenda that Mr. Crockett is pushing...then you "support going full right wing bat shit crazy"

In his mind, there is nothing else.

Typical Faux-Liberal group-think mentality.
There is NO other way except the DNC way. And if you're not a Democrat and agree 100% with them on every issue, then you are "right wing", "bat shit crazy", and "extreme".

Now stop being a right wing conservative piece of garbage and get with the program.

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I know your daughter is in the military. But how much respect and confidence would a fellow Marine have for a female that is incapable of doing 3 pull ups? Less than 50% of females in the Marine Corp's are capable of doing 3 pull ups.

My daughter is not in the military; what I was disagreeing with is that you suggested _Dick_ is "smarter than that."

[MrTrollkien]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

New Advanced Placement Framework Distorts America?s History

The new Framework inculcates a consistently negative view of the nation?s past. For example, the units on colonial America stress the development of a ?rigid racial hierarchy? and a ?strong belief in British racial and cultural superiority.? The Framework ignores the United States? founding principles and their influence in inspiring the spread of democracy and galvanizing the movement to abolish slavery.

The Framework continues this theme by reinterpreting Manifest Destiny. Instead of a belief that America has a mission to spread democracy and new technologies across the continent, the Framework teaches the nation ?was built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority.?

The units on colonial America focus unbalanced attention on the conflicts between the colonists and Native Americans. Students will learn about the Beaver Wars, Chickasaw Wars, and King Philip?s War, but they will learn little or nothing about the rise of religious toleration, the development of democratic institutions, and the emergence of a society that included a rich mix of ethnic groups.

A particularly troubling failure of the Framework is its dismissal of the Declaration of Independence and the principles so eloquently expressed there. The Framework?s entire discussion of this seminal document consists of just one phrase in one sentence: ?The colonists? belief in the superiority of republican self-government based on the natural rights of the people found its clearest American expression in Thomas Paine?s Common Sense and in the Declaration of Independence.? The Framework thus ignores the philosophical underpinnings of the Declaration and the willingness of the signers to pledge ?our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor? to the cause of freedom.

Ignoring Cultural Giants
The Framework also sidesteps any discussion of the personalities and achievements of American giants whose courage and conviction helped build United States. It excises Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and the other founders from the nation?s story. George Washington?s historical contributions are reduced to a brief sentence fragment noting his Farewell Address. Two pages later, the Framework grants teachers the flexibility to discuss the architecture of Spanish missions, suggesting it merits more attention than the heroes of 1776.

The Framework consistently emphasizes negative events while ignoring positive achievements. For example, although it does not mention the sacrifices U.S. civilians and armed forces made to defeat fascism, it does recommend teachers focus on ?[w]artime experiences, such as the internment of Japanese Americans, challenges to civil liberties, debates over race and segregation, and the decision to drop the atomic bomb [which] raised questions about American values.?

AP U.S. History should give students a balanced curriculum that acknowledges both the nation?s founding principles and its continuing struggles to be faithful to those principles. Instead, the new College Board Framework seems determined to create a cynical generation of what it calls ?apprentice historians.? Is this really what we want our children to learn about our nation?s history?

These standards have the fingerprints of those who seem to see American history as one "crime against humanity" after another. Pathetic. I must part company with the authors, however, on the characterization of "Manifest Destiny." When some Americans claimed it was our manifest destiny to rule the American continent from sea to sea, it certainly implies ideas of cultural superiority over the Indians and Mexicans who lived in the west and southwest. I do not understand why the authors fail to see this. Moreover, many CONSERVATIVE Americans opposed the idea of manifest destiny because the "spread of democracy and new technologies" as they call it also meant the spread of slavery. And we later saw how that turned out.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

fill me in crockett, where did I state any of that? Like before, feel free to go try and find a post of mine where I've stated that.

I'll save you that time though and tell you: What I've done IN FACT is c&p smarter(than you and me) people's views on a topic you choose to cast as a lopsided political move by conservatives.

ftr, I disagree entirely with the politicization of ANYTHING. history, global warming, sex. etc. et al on&on yadda yadda

Where did I get it? By the fact that you called the prior actions of the school board "liberals" as if what they did was push some liberal agenda.

The simple fact is they did nothing to push any political agenda. They instead decided to allow teachers to actually teach rather than stick to the No child left behind test based system.

Meanwhile you totally ignored the fact that the conservatives actually did push a political agenda and did so with out input from the parents, teachers or the students. This is what actually set off the walk out but yet you blame it on "liberals".

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Liberals like a good idea, just don't like to deal with reality of making it work.
Conservatives are more prone to making it work.
Obama is going on and on about how the deficit has been brought under control, well it was the conservatives in the house that are responsible for that.
Also Obama is saying how great the economy has done, it's all about how he words it, yes it gets a little bit better each month, but only a very small bit. In reality, people are making less as the median wage has dropped over 8% under Obama.

If the Federal Reserve?s seemingly endless program of quantitative easing is stopped, the stock market will take a huge hit and a lot of people will lose their retirement. Just how long can the government keep that up? 4 Trillion Dollars and counting!

Then there is the Employer Mandate for Obamacare, something Obama has delayed, why? Because he knows the damage it's going to do to the US economy!

Too bad we don't have a president that can work with both sides, like Reagan or Clinton!

Six years ago you swore Obama would destroy the world.

[Robbie]

I wonder if they teach AP "Crockett Science"? lol

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

dynamo...don't you understand?

If you don't agree 100% with the Democrat Party agenda that Mr. Crockett is pushing...then you "support going full right wing bat shit crazy"

In his mind, there is nothing else.

Typical Faux-Liberal group-think mentality.
There is NO other way except the DNC way. And if you're not a Democrat and agree 100% with them on every issue, then you are "right wing", "bat shit crazy", and "extreme".

Now stop being a right wing conservative piece of garbage and get with the program.

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Once again mr centralist himself is here to save the day. He turns blind eye to right wingers imposing political agenda on school teachings to the point, parents supported their children's boycott of school and causing teachers to protest by calling out yet it's all the liberals fault.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I wonder if they teach AP "Crockett Science"? lol

I wonder when you will ever stop telling us how right you always are.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Once again mr centralist himself is here to save the day. He turns blind eye to right wingers imposing political agenda on school teachings to the point, parents supported their children's boycott of school and causing teachers to protest by calling out yet it's all the liberals fault.

No, I don't turn a "blind eye". And I am NOT a centrist. I am the MOST social liberal person you will ever meet in your life.

I think that teaching "creationism" in school should be stopped immediately. And any other thing that tries to indoctrinate children.

I know that when I grew up we were being indoctrinated and brainwashed right out of the gate in kindergarten. For me that was when Pres. Johnson was in office. And we were singing the damn fight songs of the military in class!

Total bullshit.

But of course you didn't read what I said now did you?
YOU attacked dynamo and said that he was supporting "right wing" "batshit crazy" and "extreme" positions because he didn't agree with YOU and the DNC position.

You are flailing about intellectually and being schooled (pun intended) on just about every thread you get in.

Take off your blinders and start looking at things in a non-2party-system way for once.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

I wonder when you will ever stop telling us how right you always are.

I didn't say anything about me being right.

You are in some kind of fantasyland I guess.

Let me "school" you again: My comment was a direct slam on you for being an idiot.
Had nothing to do with me being correct or incorrect about anything.

As usual...you are in some kind of stupor and don't even understand the conversation.

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This is a BIG DEAL.

Whoever controls the past, controls the present. Whoever controls the present, controls the future.

It's all about CONTROL. The new curriculum being proposed has a DEFINITE AGENDA that goes against the grain of not just AMERICAN IDENTITY but the right of ANY nation to frame its identity in a self-serving manner.

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I'm glad Dyna Mo and others are aware of moves to revise US history.

America is BLESSED to have had leaders like George Washington. Seriously. It was SO EASY for GW to become KING. He didn't do that. Instead, he believed in the American Experiment. Sadly, many other countries succumb to the temptation GW was able to resist.

And that's just one example of American historical exceptionalism.

He wasn't perfect. He owned slaves, etc etc. But hey, a step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction and should be applauded.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Most of the libtards are not too bright, otherwise they would not be libtards (plague of any quality society).

I hate to break it to you, but your conservative bro serfs aren't much of a good example to talk up about..