British govt to enforce age checks for porn, weapons sites

[halfpint]

So so glad I got out of the porn biz The Uk will make it harder and harder for people to access porn sites.

All adult websites falling under UK jurisdiction, including those selling guns, will be expected to verify if visitors are over 18, under new plans being compiled by the government.

The owners of any websites with adult content will be forced to implement software to check people?s ages as is already the case with gambling sites, the Sunday Times reported.

The online gambling site Betfred already asks users to prove their age by providing passport details, driver?s license, a bank or eWallet statement.

http://rt.com/uk/199472-age-checks-adult-sites/

[Markul]

What's funny is that every single ISP I know of, won't make an agreement with minors. So in effect, every surfer is an adult or should be under the supervision of an adult.

But somehow that fact eludes everyone.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Markul

What's funny is that every single ISP I know of, won't make an agreement with minors. So in effect, every surfer is an adult or should be under the supervision of an adult.

But somehow that fact eludes everyone.

Yep

They are also saying that any adult or weapon site that sells to the UK will have to implement the same software to prove that users are 18 years or over. So even if you have a porn biz in the US and are signing up British users your site will have to do the same thing or block UK traffic.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Markul

What's funny is that every single ISP I know of, won't make an agreement with minors. So in effect, every surfer is an adult or should be under the supervision of an adult.

But somehow that fact eludes everyone.

heh, damn good point, I hadn't thought of that

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Jel

heh, damn good point, I hadn't thought of that

I agree. I had not thought of that either

[Phoenix]

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Markul

What's funny is that every single ISP I know of, won't make an agreement with minors. So in effect, every surfer is an adult or should be under the supervision of an adult.

But somehow that fact eludes everyone.

What makes you think it eludes people, like they wouldn't make there typical nanny laws anyway.

[Barry-xlovecam]

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

how is it a good move, when it's completely unworkable? how does it stop and minor accessing youporn, pornhub, xhamster, redtube, bing movies, tumblr, imgur?

Are bing video search, google image search, going to be called on to ask for DL, passport, etc? Of course they aren't. This is a cash grab by the UK govt to UK businesses, pure and simple.

[blinki bill]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

so parents are not responsible for educating and protecting their children, is that it? If an adult made the contract for the connection and the same adult is also a parent he/she should install a parental control software too.


Same shit with this age verification has been enforced in germany for years now, uk now wants to follow the trend. It may not be too long before this goes eu wide and we'll all have to setup companies in delaware, belize or other offshore zones to run our businesses.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jel

how is it a good move, when it's completely unworkable? how does it stop and minor accessing youporn, pornhub, xhamster, redtube, bing movies, tumblr, imgur?

Are bing video search, google image search, going to be called on to ask for DL, passport, etc? Of course they aren't. This is a cash grab by the UK govt to UK businesses, pure and simple.

Sure, maybe that is an approach, all search engines must be signed into by a verifed account.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by blinki bill

so parents are not responsible for educating and protecting their children, is that it? If an adult made the contract for the connection and the same adult is also a parent he/she should install a parental control software too.


Same shit with this age verification has been enforced in germany for years now, uk now wants to follow the trend. It may not be too long before this goes eu wide and we'll all have to setup companies in delaware, belize or other offshore zones to run our businesses.

Sure, that is the best solution. Anytime someone is going online they should be matched with a login that is approved by the person who pays the isp bill.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Sure, maybe that is an approach, all search engines must be signed into by a verifed account.

and this stops minors accessing tubes or any non-UK operated porn/gun site how?

[blinki bill]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Sure, that is the best solution. Anytime someone is going online they should be matched with a login that is approved by the person who pays the isp bill.

The beauty of parental control soft is that if you have it installed when a child is browsing it all works just fine until the child goes onto some restricted site then it asks for the password that the parent set to show that page. The parents do their part by setting the software and the website owners do their part by putting the necessary labels that those programs are looking for. It all works regardless where the users is located or where from the website operates.

I don't get why businesses should be forced to do the whole thing by themselves and more at that by implementing impractical solutions based on national borders to work in a virtual space where borders mean nothing!!? (that's what the strict age verification is).

Those age verification systems are not free it will cost $$$ for website owners to use them (I was looking at one in germany that is like 1000 euro per year), a cost of doing business one may say but in the current state of affairs is the cost of preventing yourself of doing any business, like having a shop on a main street and paying a building company to build a stone wall in front of your door

[jaYMan]

From what I've seen it looks like sites in the UK are gonna have to have a license. More tax. I didn't know Germany was doing it, suprises me I've seen some German sites before and wow, they're into some kinky stuff lol

[rogueteens]

There is some concern that implementing the new laws could cost some firms money, which may mean they relocate outside of the UK and it is also still unclear how websites that do not charge will be able to check users’ ages.

A get-out for affiliate sites? ;)

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[DamianJ]

Oh no! you mean people that look at your site are over 18?

SHIT!

THAT IS FUCKING AWFUL!!!

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

I agree with it too. In fact I would like to see more nations follow the British example.

As for those that don't agree with this law... Well it's just going to be Adapt or die

[Markul]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

But the adult who made the agreement is liable for any and all activity that happens from that connection... I know I am splitting hairs and that it will not matter in the end, they can make whatever laws they want and most people will just circumvent them.

[XXXBizXXX]

[DVTimes]

Does this apply to sites that are free?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Jel

how is it a good move, when it's completely unworkable? how does it stop and minor accessing youporn, pornhub, xhamster, redtube, bing movies, tumblr, imgur?

Are bing video search, google image search, going to be called on to ask for DL, passport, etc? Of course they aren't. This is a cash grab by the UK govt to UK businesses, pure and simple.

and twitter.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

A get-out for affiliate sites? ;)

I think so. When I searched for suitable place for the server (virtual), I did exclude UK and Germany because of these laws.

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

and twitter.

Hopefully
I get the feeling that most people have had enough of vulgarity being waved in front of their children's faces. And personally as a shooter and someone that's produced in the past. I'm pretty tired of their being a double standard.

The police would be all over someone if they opened up a porn shop or a titty bar that only made people "click yes they're over 18' to enter. And if someone gave away free porn DVDs without any paper work on the talent they would be put in jail and sued.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by aka123

I think so. When I searched for suitable place for the server (virtual), I did exclude UK and Germany because of these laws.

Im not sure it matters where your site is hosted If you are making money from British users then you will have to use the software or block UK IP's

Although the restrictions would initially only be applied to UK-based companies, any other company wishing to make money in Britain would also be charged.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by halfpint

any other company wishing to make money in Britain would also be charged.

This is the bit that worries me, from the way I read it, it's not just a case of having to pop up a warning or anything, website owners are going to be forced to use the "official" scripts that do that AND be charged a fee too! This is why is said above about the "get out" for affiliate sites as the article says it'll only apply to sites that charge an entrance fee to the members areas.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

You need to take this RT.com crap with a pinch of salt, "possibly". What is proposed I believe is an amendment to UK law that basically says "What Pete Johnson of Atvod has been trying to force down your throat for the past 3 years will now be enshrined in law. The problem is that ATVOD's remit is just video on demand websites but shit sites that do no research like RT.com put out that it's all "adult content" websites.
We do not know what sites this legislation will affect but all I would say is if you own a .co.uk domain name, watch your back.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Just remember where all this came from, the EU decided they wanted to regulate the internet, they created the AVMS directive, Pete Johnson then became their proxy for this via ATVOD in the UK. This latest law has been promoted by Pete Johnson to maintain his income, retain some small credibility and has NOTHING to do with child protection. Pete Johnson and ATVOD are subsets of the EU gravy train embedded in the UK.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

I have voted Tory all my life but I will NEVER vote Tory again so long as Cameron is the leader, I have never been so angry about a government policy as this one. If you really want to kick some ass VOTE UKIP next May, seriously, you can make a difference.

[pornmasta]

[aka123]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Im not sure it matters where your site is hosted If you are making money from British users then you will have to use the software or block UK IP's

Although the restrictions would initially only be applied to UK-based companies, any other company wishing to make money in Britain would also be charged.

The fun part is that UK has no juristiction on me as I don't have UK company or hosting, and I don't actively market anything to UK/ I don't have focused marketing to UK. Neither I am UK citizen.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by aka123

The fun part is that UK has no juristiction on me as I don't have UK company or hosting, and I don't actively market anything to UK/ I don't have focused marketing to UK. Neither I am UK citizen.

Hosting in the UK is nothing to do with it.

The idea is if you have a paysite and it can be accessed in the UK, then your (in the theory) breaking UK law.

That is what is being suggested.

So even if your an affiliate it means that if you promote sites, then those sites you promote may not be UK legal.

Many simply claim to live outside the UK to avoid he surrent ATVOD laws. You may have noticed that gary (the one who is pretending to be nat from gspotcrapproductions) is now claiming to live in spain.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Hosting in the UK is nothing to do with it.

The idea is if you have a paysite and it can be accessed in the UK, then your (in the theory) breaking UK law.

That is what is being suggested.

So even if your an affiliate it means that if you promote sites, then those sites you promote may not be UK legal.

Many simply claim to live outside the UK to avoid he surrent ATVOD laws. You may have noticed that gary (the one who is pretending to be nat from gspotcrapproductions) is now claiming to live in spain.

The hosting has very much to do with it, as well as other mentioned things. UK can make as much laws as they want, but if I am not under UK juristiction, those laws won't apply to me. For example my porn sites (affiliate) have visits from countries where porn is illegal altogether, but that doesn't concern me as I am not under those countries juristiction. Or for example visitors from Germany and Australia, those have similar laws already in place. Do you think UK sites have concerned (for reason) that much about German laws? If not, why would UK laws be different?

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

I try to think of analogies that illustrate how ignorant Cameron and Johnson and their cronies are and I guess what they are trying to do is like making the "sea" illegal. They don't want people swimming in the sea or going anywhere near the sea but instead of saying to the people "we're gonna make it illegal for you to go into the sea" they're saying to the sea "stop lapping at our shores or we'll ban you" !!!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Markul

What's funny is that every single ISP I know of, won't make an agreement with minors. So in effect, every surfer is an adult or should be under the supervision of an adult.
But somehow that fact eludes everyone.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The internet connection might be paid for by an adult, that doesn't mean that an adult is using it. I think it is a good move.

Parental responsibility not a site owners.

If you own a bar, it is not legality to have door security asking the age of a person drinking. Therefore, people know you have to be 18, either you step into the pub or not. Once inside, a bar owner or staff would question the age.

You click on our site, there is an enter button, asking if you are over 18, if they continue inside, to view mature content, then the surfer is doing wrong if under 18 as I have already asked, now to purchase our members area, (have a drink) I'll ask for payment & proof of ID

Originally Posted by Jel

and this stops minors accessing tubes or any non-UK operated porn/gun site how?

Exactly this. Parental responsibility & not the site owner.

ATVOD are giving more to free tubes & less to adult pay site owners

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Many simply claim to live outside the UK to avoid he surrent ATVOD laws. You may have noticed that gary (the one who is pretending to be nat from gspotcrapproductions) is now claiming to live in spain.

Oi fucktard, keep to the thread, there was no need for your immature behavior.

Just because you don't have any sites anymore, don't come one with us or I'll have you for slander.

You cannot bypass the laws you stupid prat, you have to show proof of living, documents that you cannot make up! Keep to the thread & don't make accusations!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by aka123

The fun part is that UK has no juristiction on me as I don't have UK company or hosting, and I don't actively market anything to UK/ I don't have focused marketing to UK. Neither I am UK citizen.

It may end up so, you need to block that country if you do not have the implementations to go with the laws of that country

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Oi fucktard, keep to the thread, there was no need for your immature behavior.

Just because you don't have any sites anymore, don't come one with us or I'll have you for slander.

You cannot bypass the laws you stupid prat, you have to show proof of living, documents that you cannot make up! Keep to the thread & don't make accusations!

It's ok he's only jealous of you, it's obvious you're in Spain from your photos and it's obvious the nearest DVT gets to a beach is Grimsby from his shots.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

It may end up so, you need to block that country if you do not have the implementations to go with the laws of that country

Only if my country and or EU implements that kind of laws. As I am not under UK juristiction.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

It may end up so, you need to block that country if you do not have the implementations to go with the laws of that country

What if Iran tells you to obey their laws even though you live in Greece?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

rI'll have you for slander.

Slander is spoken, you dribbling fuckwit.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

[bronco67]

I thought Europe was supposed to be the sexually liberated place.

[blinki bill]

UK can not force their law on you if you are not under their jurisdiction, so you don't have to block UK traffic if you don't comply, they will block access to your site frim UK; however they are welcome to do so, the stupid goverment there has blocked so much of the net already that more and more people start using vpn

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

It's ok he's only jealous of you, it's obvious you're in Spain from your photos and it's obvious the nearest DVT gets to a beach is Grimsby from his shots.

Originally Posted by bronco67

I thought Europe was supposed to be the sexually liberated place.

Europe is, it's Britain that seems to think blocking adult pay content sites, maybe the tubes shall just go away too