I thought Democrats were a "sure win"

[Sly]

What happened?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

What happened?

Simple, the economy is not as good as the democrats have painted.

People are making less money.

When that happens, people get pissed!

With all the power they had, they still had to lie about Obamacare to pass it
foreign policy is fucked

then there are all the scandals
NSA, VA, IRS, Bengazi, Fast and Furious, even democrats are getting to figure out we have bad leadership

[Clay]

[Captain Kawaii]

You left out another 21 million green cards over the 15 already planned for the next 5 years.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Simple, the economy is not as good as the democrats have painted.

People are making less money.

When that happens, people get pissed!

With all the power they had, they still had to lie about Obamacare to pass it
foreign policy is fucked

then there are all the scandals
NSA, VA, IRS, Bengazi, Fast and Furious, even democrats are getting to figure out we have bad leadership

I wouldn't disagree but a lot of peeps are doing real fucking good right now. the middle between the haves and the have nots decreased.

[baddog]

I guess I missed it; who said the Dems were a sure win?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess I missed it; who said the Dems were a sure win?

Thank you for months, any news program I would listen to, they spoke about the dems getting slaughtered. its not a surprise.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Simple, the economy is not as good as the democrats have painted.

People are making less money.

When that happens, people get pissed!

With all the power they had, they still had to lie about Obamacare to pass it
foreign policy is fucked

then there are all the scandals
NSA, VA, IRS, Bengazi, Fast and Furious, even democrats are getting to figure out we have bad leadership

Everyone wants to immediately blame Obama for all of the country's ills and no one seems to remember that the republicans oppose everything he does, regardless of how they feel. They are against him for the sole purpose of being against him. He could devise a cure for cancer and the republicans would stonewall the cure just because they want to be opposed to everything he does.

So, we have another shift...and nothing is going to change. The n once again is 6-8 years the American public will go "hey, what happened?" and it will shift again....

We're a bunch of fucking masochists in this country

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I wouldn't disagree but a lot of peeps are doing real fucking good right now. the middle between the haves and the have nots decreased.

I'm getting ready to do really good, but have had some hard times. The median wage has dropped over 8% under Obama. Same time under Reagan, it came up $4,000

Originally Posted by tony286

Thank you for months, any news program I would listen to, they spoke about the dems getting slaughtered. its not a surprise.

Most of the pollsters thought it wasn't going to be this bad for the democrats. They underestimated the republicans.

All I care about is if that idiot in office will finally get the message

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm getting ready to do really good, but have had some hard times. The median wage has dropped over 8% under Obama. Same time under Reagan, it came up $4,000
But wealth has increased,the rich are richer. He cant control wages. And its going to get worst with technology, no tax cutting is going to save that. Did you know Reagan signed the largest non war tax increase ever?


Most of the pollsters thought it wasn't going to be this bad for the democrats. They underestimated the republicans.
The pollsters I heard were talking about them getting beat bad.
All I care about is if that idiot in office will finally get the message

What message is that? What magic do you fantasize happening? They wont work with him because they painted themselves in a corner making him the son of satan.

[CourtneyR]

[The Porn Nerd]

What happened? They're Dems so they're idiots. LOL

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

Everyone wants to immediately blame Obama for all of the country's ills and no one seems to remember that the republicans oppose everything he does, regardless of how they feel. They are against him for the sole purpose of being against him. He could devise a cure for cancer and the republicans would stonewall the cure just because they want to be opposed to everything he does.

So, we have another shift...and nothing is going to change. The n once again is 6-8 years the American public will go "hey, what happened?" and it will shift again....

We're a bunch of fucking masochists in this country

I have to look at it this way.

A bad leader will blame others for his failings

A good leader will make it work.

Reagan worked with Tip Oneil
Clinton worked with Newt Ginrich
Harry Reed wouldn't even let things come up for a vote in the senate
He just lost his job as the top senate guy because of it

[seeric]

I didn't read anywhere that it was a "sure win". Read for the last few weeks everywhere that it was a coin toss.

I'm happy to see them get their asses handed to them.

Republicans will do no better than the Democrats though. It's just fun to watch them trade blows since they don't get anything else done.

They should all be tried for treason.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

What message is that? What magic do you fantasize happening? They wont work with him because they painted themselves in a corner making him the son of satan.

And he didn't do the same? He blames the GOP for everything when he's the leader?

Let's face it, it wasn't working when Harry Reed wouldn't even bring things to a vote in the senate, you want to talk about blocking?

[BlackCrayon]

people are stupid if they really think which side of the coin currently holds the reigns can fix all the multitude of problems that have been brewing for decades in a few years. most of the time they don't even try. don't expect the government to help you or care about you.

[OldJeff]

13% Congressional Approval Rate - 97% re-elected to the house, does anyone really think anything is any different now than it was 2 days ago ?

[2MuchMark]

I never saw a prediction saying the Dems would win. From what I saw, Nate Silver from FiveThirtyEight has been predicting a GOP win all along.

[MiamiBoyz]

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

people are stupid if they really think which side of the coin currently holds the reigns can fix all the multitude of problems that have been brewing for decades in a few years. most of the time they don't even try. don't expect the government to help you or care about you.

Actually, under Newt Gingrich, when they took over the House and Senate a lot of good happened. But then again, we had Bill Clinton instead of Obama. Bill worked with the other side and we had a surplus!

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Actually, under Newt Gingrich, when they took over the House and Senate a lot of good happened. But then again, we had Bill Clinton instead of Obama. Bill worked with the other side and we had a surplus!

Sorry the US is now extremely polarized due to ridiculous campaign finance laws allowing corporations to pump absurd money into their goals. No one is going to work together. Except maybe to cut welfare while increasing corporate welfare and decreasing taxes for the wealthy

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Actually, under Newt Gingrich, when they took over the House and Senate a lot of good happened. But then again, we had Bill Clinton instead of Obama. Bill worked with the other side and we had a surplus!

That's a good point, instead of claiming the congressional repubs aren't going to work with the pres, i wonder if the BO will work with this new congress.

Isn't that how it's actually supposed to work? otherwise the executive order, skirting the legals.

[mineistaken]

Maybe people got smarter and thought that they should discourage leftist leeching and encourage quality society where everybody gets what he/she deserves instead of expecting handouts.
I hope at least one past leftist tool from GFY turned quality citizen over the few years as well. Few more to go, lol.

[Matt 26z]

The Republicans moved away from hot button issues like abortion, gays, God and war. Their campaigns just didn't have the level of controversy as prior years and it made them more attractive to centrists.

But ultimately this was a vote against Obama's lack of leadership, Eric Holder's race baiting, Obamacare insurance costs and illegal immigration.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by arock10

Sorry the US is now extremely polarized due to ridiculous campaign finance laws allowing corporations to pump absurd money into their goals. No one is going to work together. Except maybe to cut welfare while increasing corporate welfare and decreasing taxes for the wealthy

Only polarization now is the congress and Obama

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That's a good point, instead of claiming the congressional repubs aren't going to work with the pres, i wonder if the BO will work with this new congress.

Isn't that how it's actually supposed to work? otherwise the executive order, skirting the legals.

When this happened with Clinton, he worked with them

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The Republicans moved away from hot button issues like abortion, gays, God and war. Their campaigns just didn't have the level of controversy as prior years and it made them more attractive to centrists.

But ultimately this was a vote against Obama's lack of leadership, Eric Holder's race baiting, Obamacare insurance costs and illegal immigration.

Totally agree, bad leadership fucked the democrat party

[tony286]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That's a good point, instead of claiming the congressional repubs aren't going to work with the pres, i wonder if the BO will work with this new congress.

Isn't that how it's actually supposed to work? otherwise the executive order, skirting the legals.

listening to Mitch's press conference. its like he is a different man. They know they have to govern or they are done.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The Republicans moved away from hot button issues like abortion, gays, God and war. Their campaigns just didn't have the level of controversy as prior years and it made them more attractive to centrists.

But ultimately this was a vote against Obama's lack of leadership, Eric Holder's race baiting, Obamacare insurance costs and illegal immigration.

All because the people funding the elections wanted to portray it this way. Didn't work so well in 2012 election because a few tea partiers go through costing easy elections but they managed to pull through this election running on "Obama is bad" and none of their own issues

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

13% Congressional Approval Rate - 97% re-elected to the house, does anyone really think anything is any different now than it was 2 days ago ?

go gerrymandering

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by tony286

listening to Mitch's press conference. its like he is a different man. They know they have to govern or they are done.

Hey Tony, I appreciate that heads-up, good for him. I'm surprised at his candor.

Perhaps the republicans strategy to get the WH is to be the leaders now in working together as he describes

here's the link if anyone is interested

http://www.c-span.org/video/?322580-...ews-conference

[kane]

In the end it is all about the economy. The exit polls show that 45% of those who voted said that Obama was not a factor in how they voted. 45% also said the economy was their main concern with healthcare second at 25%.

The reality is that unemployment may be down, but many of those jobs that have been created are lower paying service and retail jobs. There are still plenty of people hurting economically and when that is your reality you tend to vote for the opposition.

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm getting ready to do really good, but have had some hard times. The median wage has dropped over 8% under Obama. Same time under Reagan, it came up $4,000



Most of the pollsters thought it wasn't going to be this bad for the democrats. They underestimated the republicans.

All I care about is if that idiot in office will finally get the message

What pollsters were you looking at? I don't think anyone on the left is surprised or even all that bothered by these election results. Democrats were defending blue seats in red states, with a President whose 40% approval rating is very low but even that's high compared to the rest of the people in Washington. Look at turn out rates, Republicans sold their base on this being a "close, meanigngul election" I'd say most on the left, spent more time.. thinking about their fantasy football lineup for this weekend, than about an election that really means nothing.

Why would this be a message to Obama? He just won re-election, Democrats losing races in a bunch of states that voted 70-30 against him every election cycle isn't all that meaningful. You have a divided government, same as we've had since 2010. Neither Democrats nor Republicans have enough votes to do anything really in in the Senate, same as we've had since 2009. The only thing "meaingful" to come out of yesterday's election was.. Republicans get first pick at selecting their offices, for the next couple years. before they have a 2016 election where just like it was a bunch of blue seats in red staes, you have a bunch of red seats in blue states, meaning Democrats will likely re-take the Senate and are odds on favorite to hold the WH (and honestly if anything yesterday's results boost that chances, becaause as the GOP has snown, nothing "fires up" your base like crying about being in the minority -- that works much better than actually putting for policy ideas)

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by kane

In the end it is all about the economy. The exit polls show that 45% of those who voted said that Obama was not a factor in how they voted. 45% also said the economy was their main concern with healthcare second at 25%.

The reality is that unemployment may be down, but many of those jobs that have been created are lower paying service and retail jobs. There are still plenty of people hurting economically and when that is your reality you tend to vote for the opposition.

And the current labor participation rate is 62.7%, the lowest since the late 70's.

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by kane

In the end it is all about the economy. The exit polls show that 45% of those who voted said that Obama was not a factor in how they voted. 45% also said the economy was their main concern with healthcare second at 25%.

The reality is that unemployment may be down, but many of those jobs that have been created are lower paying service and retail jobs. There are still plenty of people hurting economically and when that is your reality you tend to vote for the opposition.

But there isn't really an opposition. Republicans have controlled the House since 2010. There isn't a single economic bill or law that has passed without Republican input and votes since 2009.

What you had wasn't a debate over ideas and policy or even the future of the country -- since the election has zero impact on any of that, really. What you had were Republicans cared more, turned out more, voted more..

Nobody ran on "I have this great idea to deal with the economy" you had candidates who talked more about Harry Reid then their actual opponent. The GOP base blames Democrats for anything bad that happens, the Democratic base blames Republicans for anything bad that happens.. and Republicans just turned out for the election while most Democrats shurged it off, I wouldn't read too much into this election

[kane]

Originally Posted by jdubs1982

But there isn't really an opposition. Republicans have controlled the House since 2010. There isn't a single economic bill or law that has passed without Republican input and votes since 2009.

What you had wasn't a debate over ideas and policy or even the future of the country -- since the election has zero impact on any of that, really. What you had were Republicans cared more, turned out more, voted more..

Nobody ran on "I have this great idea to deal with the economy" you had candidates who talked more about Harry Reid then their actual opponent. The GOP base blames Democrats for anything bad that happens, the Democratic base blames Republicans for anything bad that happens.. and Republicans just turned out for the election while most Democrats shurged it off, I wouldn't read too much into this election

Many two term presidents have this happen to them during the second midterm election. Those who don't like him are passionate about their dislike and the turn out to vote while those who support him or are indifferent don't really care.

I don't know that it really will have much affect on the 2016 presidential election.

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by Sly

What happened?

You mean what didn't happened and the answer is voter turn-out.

[crockett]

I for one am happy the Republicans won. This way there is zero excuse as to why they can't do all those things they promised to do. I will be waiting to see them balance the budget, fix illegal immigration, fix health care, fix the national debt and stop all terrorist attacks and build their little wall across Mexico's boarder..

This should be fun to watch..

[kane]

Originally Posted by crockett

I for one am happy the Republicans won. This way there is zero excuse as to why they can't do all those things they promised to do. I will be waiting to see them balance the budget, fix illegal immigration, fix health care, fix the national debt and stop all terrorist attacks and build their little wall across Mexico's boarder..

This should be fun to watch..

Two me the more interesting ones will be immigration and healthcare.

There are a few republican governors who are saying that it is impossible now for the republicans to just repeal Obamacare (never mind the veto) because there are 12 million more people with health insurance now than had it before Obamacare. Many of those are poor people who are not getting very cheap or free insurance. They are going to be pissed if it is taken away from them. So the republicans will need to have a better option ready to go if they want to repeal.

Right now Hispanics and blacks make up roughly 25% of the voters. They vote overwhelmingly democrat. Sometimes a republican might get some Hispanic vote (G.W. Bush did well with them because he speaks Spanish and had a history of being very racial inclusive), but many of them want to see easier ways adopted for helping bring their families and friends to the US legally. The republicans are kind of stuck in a bad situation here. If they adopt liberal immigration reform they will likely piss off a good chunk of their base. If they don't they will likely not gain any of those much needed minority voters who will then turn out in droves for the democrat.

I have a feeling we will see some serious fighting on these topics.

Of course they may just choose to ignore them and focus on the economy. If the economy is better in 2 years and republicans can get some of the credit for that it will help them out a lot.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

Two me the more interesting ones will be immigration and healthcare.

There are a few republican governors who are saying that it is impossible now for the republicans to just repeal Obamacare (never mind the veto) because there are 12 million more people with health insurance now than had it before Obamacare. Many of those are poor people who are not getting very cheap or free insurance. They are going to be pissed if it is taken away from them. So the republicans will need to have a better option ready to go if they want to repeal.

Right now Hispanics and blacks make up roughly 25% of the voters. They vote overwhelmingly democrat. Sometimes a republican might get some Hispanic vote (G.W. Bush did well with them because he speaks Spanish and had a history of being very racial inclusive), but many of them want to see easier ways adopted for helping bring their families and friends to the US legally. The republicans are kind of stuck in a bad situation here. If they adopt liberal immigration reform they will likely piss off a good chunk of their base. If they don't they will likely not gain any of those much needed minority voters who will then turn out in droves for the democrat.

I have a feeling we will see some serious fighting on these topics.

Of course they may just choose to ignore them and focus on the economy. If the economy is better in 2 years and republicans can get some of the credit for that it will help them out a lot.

Let's be real here.. The Republicans don't change for the better, they just hunker down on their tried and failed policies. They will try to push the same shit they have already tried to push and further isolate themselves from the voters..

They don't care about the black or Hispanic vote. They care about how to prevent the black and Hispanic vote from being cast in the first place. Nothing will change with them, they will continue to run full steam into the wall expecting it to fall down.

[kane]

Originally Posted by crockett

Let's be real here.. The Republicans don't change for the better, they just hunker down on their tried and failed policies. They will try to push the same shit they have already tried to push and further isolate themselves from the voters..

They don't care about the black or Hispanic vote. They care about how to prevent the black and Hispanic vote from being cast in the first place. Nothing will change with them, they will continue to run full steam into the wall expecting it to fall down.

I have a feeling we are going to have a shit show for the next two years. I think the republicans may go after Obama with both barrels blazing and the democrats may put to sue some of the obstruction practices the republicans have been using the last 6 years.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

I have a feeling we are going to have a shit show for the next two years. I think the republicans may go after Obama with both barrels blazing and the democrats may put to sue some of the obstruction practices the republicans have been using the last 6 years.

The problem with the Republican Party the last 6 years is they could blame the other guy and ignore their own infighting. Now they will actually have to "DO" something but they won't be able to, because the differences inside their own party are about as extreme as the differences with the right and the left.

The moderates will never get anything done because of the far righties and the far righties will be too extreme for the moderates. It will be grid lock with in their own party.

It's like the Al Queida and ISIS.. They both hate the west but they still kill each other. This is the problem with extremist with in the right. The Tea Party and Religious Right will never let anything happen that doesn't fit their extreme agendas.

[jdubs1982]

Originally Posted by kane

Many two term presidents have this happen to them during the second midterm election. Those who don't like him are passionate about their dislike and the turn out to vote while those who support him or are indifferent don't really care.

I don't know that it really will have much affect on the 2016 presidential election.

Turn out

It's easiy to gin up the base when you give them something to fight against. The GOP can't actually pass anything, but they sure can vote. The "ryan budget" will be picked apart for every penny taken away from.. women, minorities, seniors.. its much easier to be the opposition than the party in power. The GOP winning yesterday has no impact on the next two years, but using the GOP's positions and votes over these next two years will be a central campaign strategy for Democats for 2016

[Robbie]

The media tried to paint a picture of Republicans obstructing everything.
That's been the talking point.

What they didn't tell people was that Sen. Reid was the leader of the "Do Nothing" Senate.
The House has passed plenty of bills.

But Sen. Reid (as majority leader of the Senate) refused to let them go to a vote on the Senate floor.

Basically ANYTHING that he didn't agree with in any way...he shelved.

People saw through that shit after a while.

Perhaps now some things will FINALLY make it past the Senate and to the President's desk for him to either sign or veto.

Anything is better than what Reid did as majority leader.

[Vendzilla]

I see Crocket is hoping for failure, that's why I have him on ignore

If you are reading this shit for brains, this is our country. I would never advocate that they fail, I want things to work. This just proves what an asshole you really are!

I'm hoping that they take a page from Newt Gingrich and do something similar when the republicans took control of congress under Clinton.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The media tried to paint a picture of Republicans obstructing everything.
That's been the talking point.

What they didn't tell people was that Sen. Reid was the leader of the "Do Nothing" Senate.
The House has passed plenty of bills.

But Sen. Reid (as majority leader of the Senate) refused to let them go to a vote on the Senate floor.

Basically ANYTHING that he didn't agree with in any way...he shelved.

People saw through that shit after a while.

Perhaps now some things will FINALLY make it past the Senate and to the President's desk for him to either sign or veto.

Anything is better than what Reid did as majority leader.

Exactly, now the dems are out of jobs because of it

[kane]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The media tried to paint a picture of Republicans obstructing everything.
That's been the talking point.

What they didn't tell people was that Sen. Reid was the leader of the "Do Nothing" Senate.
The House has passed plenty of bills.

But Sen. Reid (as majority leader of the Senate) refused to let them go to a vote on the Senate floor.

Basically ANYTHING that he didn't agree with in any way...he shelved.

People saw through that shit after a while.

Perhaps now some things will FINALLY make it past the Senate and to the President's desk for him to either sign or veto.

Anything is better than what Reid did as majority leader.

I doubt anything will get done. I suppose a miracle could happen, but this shit is a two way street. There were plenty of things that the democrats passed in the senate that the house refused to vote on. Back in June Boehner even went so far as to tell the president that the house would not be voting on any kind of immigration reform bill that ended up in the house before the end of the year.

The republicans spent 6 years doing everything they could to obstruct Obama. The democrats responded by not working with the republicans. I think since the tide has turned the democrats are going do what they can to stall anything the republicans may want to do.

I don't see this election as a referendum on the democrats or the republicans. Two term presidents almost always loses seats in the second mid term. Those who hate Obama and the democrats came out in force and voted while those who feel more moderately towards the democrats didn't turn out to support him.

Congress has a roughly 17% approval rating yet 97% of them were reelected. I don't expect the same group of people to suddenly start acting differently.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Sly

What happened?

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are problems #1 & 2. How does a woman who was speaker of the house keep getting elected leader of the house dems, loss after loss?

answer that & you will be close to why dems keep losing to the party of the 1%

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are problems #1 & 2. How does a woman who was speaker of the house keep getting elected leader of the house dems, loss after loss?

Or answer why the people of the United States keep voting for Dems and Repubs over and over and over, and expect anything to EVER change.

Let's see...in 2006 they bounced Republicans out of power in Congress because they didn't like what they did.

By 2010 they decided that the Dems weren't doing well in the House and put back in...Republicans!

Now in 2014 they have decided the Dems suck and put back in...Republicans.

And in a few years...it will all switch again.

Insanity.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I see Crocket is hoping for failure, that's why I have him on ignore

If you are reading this shit for brains, this is our country. I would never advocate that they fail, I want things to work. This just proves what an asshole you really are!

I'm hoping that they take a page from Newt Gingrich and do something similar when the republicans took control of congress under Clinton.

Yes I must of mistaken your non stop bitching about Obama as actually chanting him on.. You are really pretty ridiculous Vendzilla..

[kane]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are problems #1 & 2. How does a woman who was speaker of the house keep getting elected leader of the house dems, loss after loss?

answer that & you will be close to why dems keep losing to the party of the 1%

I think it is much simpler than that.

I think most people don't give two shits about Nacy Pelosi or Harry Reid and couldn't pick either of them out of a line up.

To me here is how it breaks down for most people. They take inventory of their lives. Do they have a job? Are they doing okay financially? Are they worse or better off than they were before the current president took office? What does their future look like. What does their job security and the security of their family look like?

If they have a good job and are doing pretty well and feel pretty good about the future, they either don't vote or they vote for the party in power. If not, they vote for the opposition.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The media tried to paint a picture of Republicans obstructing everything.
That's been the talking point.

What they didn't tell people was that Sen. Reid was the leader of the "Do Nothing" Senate.
The House has passed plenty of bills.

But Sen. Reid (as majority leader of the Senate) refused to let them go to a vote on the Senate floor.

Basically ANYTHING that he didn't agree with in any way...he shelved.

People saw through that shit after a while.

Perhaps now some things will FINALLY make it past the Senate and to the President's desk for him to either sign or veto.

Anything is better than what Reid did as majority leader.

It's funny Robbie, that John Boner did the exact same things you just complained Reid did, yet over and over you always excused away him and never once complained about him not bringing votes to the floor and blocking anything he didn't want.

Why is it different when the house does it vs the senate? When I brought this up to you in the past, you always used the excuse that congress had no power or that Republicans were the minority (despite they controlled the house where they did this)

When I showed you that Boner wouldn't bring the budget to a vote and he blocked it in the house, you excused it away every time.. Now you complain about Reid doing the same things Boner was doing.. Why is it ok for one side to do it, but not the other?

You always claim to have no side and talk down about people whom choose a side, but time and time again, you explain away one side and condemn the others yet claim you don't take sides..