This african american gentleman has some very good points... (video)

[MaDalton]

i applaud him

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i applaud him

He did a much better job of expressing my own opinion/observations than I ever could.

[ErectMedia]

Hammer, Nail, Head

[Captain Kawaii]

Globalize that mutherfucker! - Excellent video that applies to everybody.

[oppoten]

Very good

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i applaud him

Yo, blackmonsters, you listening?

[beenthereb4]

Thanks MaDalton great video .

[Mark-G]

Bravissiomo !

[FriendsForNow]

Some people get it while others don't.

[mopek1]

"After slavery, abuse of power and racism ..." then he says, "With that being said ..." LOL

Sure if you can brush those things aside, then where's the problem???

Of course he has some good points but the whole argument starts off brushing aside some very serious issues that cannot be ignored, and are part of the overall equation. DOESN'T MEAN I THINK IT'S OKAY to commit crimes and be violent but the argument is very superficial at best.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by mopek1

"After slavery, abuse of power and racism ..." then he says, "With that being said ..." LOL

Sure if you can brush those things aside, then where's the problem???

Of course he has some good points but the whole argument starts off brushing aside some very serious issues that cannot be ignored, and are part of the overall equation. DOESN'T MEAN I THINK IT'S OKAY to commit crimes and be violent but the argument is very superficial at best.

the point is you can whine and blame external shit you don't have control over, or you can do something yourself. Every perpetual loser in life has 1 thing in common: They blame everything but themselves about their situation.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by nico-t

the point is you can whine and blame external shit you don't have control over, or you can do something yourself. Every perpetual loser in life has 1 thing in common: They blame everything but themselves about their situation.

I see what you are saying and it holds truth to some degree. However it's never as black and white as that.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by nico-t

the point is you can whine and blame external shit you don't have control over, or you can do something yourself. Every perpetual loser in life has 1 thing in common: They blame everything but themselves about their situation.

Yep. If you don't like where you live, there's always a bus coming to take you elsewhere. But if all you do is find excuses why you can't get on that bus, then why does it surprise you that you get stuck in a vicious circle?

Originally Posted by mopek1

I see what you are saying and it holds truth to some degree. However it's never as black and white as that.

"To some degree"? Yes, things are never black or white. That still doesn't mean you can't make an effort to make things better for yourself. Can't afford an education? Hell, pick up a fucking book and read. The library's full of them and it's free.

[MaDalton]

I also recommend watching this one:



The sad thing is: his videos only have a few thousand views at best and meanwhile every looting, violence or whatever fucking video gets millions of views

this guy needs to go viral

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i applaud him

He makes the same points that almost every black person I ever met made; but there is one difference.
His message is rather condescending in tone.

Starting out his video by essentially saying "Hey dumb nigga, slavery is over" failed.
Captain obvious strikes again.

I don't hear any black people blaming police shootings/crack sales/or carjackings on slavery.
His video therefore starts with a one sided argument, since he's the only one giving a shit about slavery.

"If you live in a bad place just get on the bus" :
I've seen that done and I've seen them walk all the way back.

Hurray!!
He effectively over simplified all problems in life; but only a fool thinks he solved any.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He makes the same points that almost every black person I ever met made; but there is one difference.
His message is rather condescending in tone.

Starting out his video by essentially saying "Hey dumb nigga, slavery is over" failed.
Captain obvious strikes again.

I don't hear any black people blaming police shootings/crack sales/or carjackings on slavery.
His video therefore starts with a one sided argument, since he's the only one giving a shit about slavery.

"If you live in a bad place just get on the bus" :
I've seen that done and I've seen them walk all the way back.

Hurray!!
He effectively over simplified all problems in life; but only a fool thinks he solved any.

so the conclusion is: while everyone else has the chance to work their way out by taking their life in their own hands, black people are a lost cause and if a black person did, he wasn't black enough.

or did i get you wrong?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

so the conclusion is: while everyone else has the chance to work their way out by taking their life in their own hands, black people are a lost cause and if a black person did, he wasn't black enough.

or did i get you wrong?

Rather then being honest about the quality of your post; I will simply say that those are your conclusions and not mine.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He makes the same points that almost every black person I ever met made; but there is one difference.
His message is rather condescending in tone.

Starting out his video by essentially saying "Hey dumb nigga, slavery is over" failed.
Captain obvious strikes again.

I don't hear any black people blaming police shootings/crack sales/or carjackings on slavery.
His video therefore starts with a one sided argument, since he's the only one giving a shit about slavery.

"If you live in a bad place just get on the bus" :
I've seen that done and I've seen them walk all the way back.

Hurray!!
He effectively over simplified all problems in life; but only a fool thinks he solved any.

When I lived in Charleston, SC managing our properties I hear it every fucking day. Just a crutch that relieves the speaker of personal responsibility.

He proposes hard work. Something few Americans of any color wish to undertake. At the end of the day, fuck em. Leaves more cheddar for us.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by DamageX

"To some degree"? Yes, things are never black or white. That still doesn't mean you can't make an effort to make things better for yourself. Can't afford an education? Hell, pick up a fucking book and read. The library's full of them and it's free.

I agree that one can always try to make things better for themselves.

But starting a video saying that, "aside from slavery, police brutality and racism you guys suck" is really making it a 'black and white' issue. It's also invalidates the struggle and problems facing Blacks in America.

If I was him I would have started out saying that, "yes the past haunts us and is contributing to our problems today. Let's see what we can do now as a community ... etc."

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I agree that one can always try to make things better for themselves.

But starting a video saying that, "aside from slavery, police brutality and racism you guys suck" is really making it a 'black and white' issue. It's also invalidates the struggle and problems facing Blacks in America.

If I was him I would have started out saying that, "yes the past haunts us and is contributing to our problems today. Let's see what we can do now as a community ... etc."

Could he have started off his speech more diplomatically? Yes. Does not doing so invalidate the point he's trying to make though?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He makes the same points that almost every black person I ever met made; but there is one difference.
His message is rather condescending in tone.

Starting out his video by essentially saying "Hey dumb nigga, slavery is over" failed.
Captain obvious strikes again.

I don't hear any black people blaming police shootings/crack sales/or carjackings on slavery.
His video therefore starts with a one sided argument, since he's the only one giving a shit about slavery.

"If you live in a bad place just get on the bus" :
I've seen that done and I've seen them walk all the way back.

Hurray!!
He effectively over simplified all problems in life; but only a fool thinks he solved any.

And your solution is? Sit there and bitch how 85% of non 6'2" people target your ass every day because you're 6'2"?

[RummyBoy]

Great one, I hope it gets seen. Maybe he's talking about the same thing Chris Rock is talking about:

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

And your solution is? Sit there and bitch how 85% of non 6'2" people target your ass every day because you're 6'2"?

Good point.
I'm going to make a video and whine on it now because I'm sure that will fix everything.

[shimmy2]

n3ggers.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Good point.
I'm going to make a video and whine on it now because I'm sure that will fix everything.

Aren't you doing it now? Tell us again the theory of "If people stop hating me doing the crime, I would have stopped already". Right, we get. The reason you sit all day on you front yard couch is not because you lazy and useless but cause everyone else generalizes you with lazy and useless and doing nofin. Solving da problem

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Aren't you doing it now? Tell us again the theory of "If people stop hating me doing the crime, I would have stopped already". Right, we get. The reason you sit all day on you front yard couch is not because you lazy and useless but cause everyone else generalizes you with lazy and useless and doing nofin. Solving da problem

I would care if you weren't retarded.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I would care if you weren't retarded.

Farther proves my point of your failures

[clickity click]

I'd cross the road to avoid him..

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Farther proves my point of your failures

Further, idiot.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Further, idiot.

Wouldn't call you an idiot. Bottom feeder is more like it

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i applaud him

This guy is right. Black people can't go around blaming slavery. But, like I said in another thread...the way they are collectively as a race now is because of slavery. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't recognize that fact and overcome it.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Could he have started off his speech more diplomatically? Yes. Does not doing so invalidate the point he's trying to make though?

It's not a question of being more diplomatic. By dismissing slavery/abuse so easily he is saying that black people shouldn't be as affected as they are, which is impossible and if it were me, infuriating.

I think we do agree though that there are lots of people all around who won't do anything to better their situation and blame everyone else.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by mopek1

It's not a question of being more diplomatic. By dismissing slavery/abuse so easily he is saying that black people shouldn't be as affected as they are, which is impossible and if it were me, infuriating.

I think we do agree though that there are lots of people all around who won't do anything to better their situation and blame everyone else.

He's dismissing it so easily because to him it's a non-issue, it happened more than a 100 years ago. Instead of criticizing him and his values/thoughts how about asking why it doesn't affect him but supposedly affects others. Or is the subject a crutch that usually ends any discussion about the current situation and why it exists?

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

He's dismissing it so easily because to him it's a non-issue, it happened more than a 100 years ago.

Abuse can take many many generations to sort out. 100 years is often not enough.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Instead of criticizing him and his values/thoughts how about asking why it doesn't affect him but supposedly affects others. Or is the subject a crutch that usually ends any discussion about the current situation and why it exists?

The reason why it doesn't affect him as much as others is because the effect of abuse on a population that is big enough (in this case millions) will have varied effects. You'll have people who are aggressive suicidal maniacs, self made millionaires and everyone else in between.

This guy just happens to be lucky enough to be on a better side of the spectrum. Perhaps he had better parents, role models, community, in-born personality etc....

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by bronco67

This guy is right. Black people can't go around blaming slavery. But, like I said in another thread...the way they are collectively as a race now is because of slavery. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't recognize that fact and overcome it.

Easily said. Much more difficult to do.

The awareness and real insight into the issue you mentioned takes a certain degree of education.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mopek1

"After slavery, abuse of power and racism ..." then he says, "With that being said ..." LOL

Sure if you can brush those things aside, then where's the problem???

Of course he has some good points but the whole argument starts off brushing aside some very serious issues that cannot be ignored, and are part of the overall equation. DOESN'T MEAN I THINK IT'S OKAY to commit crimes and be violent but the argument is very superficial at best.

Those things have nothing to do with today. Right now. Ask any foreign born black immigrant thats just going about his day, getting an education and a good paying job. THINK ABOUT IT... its never Ethiopian or Nigerian or any other black 1st generation immigrants telling you about slavery and racism and how its all the reason that they can't stop buying gold $4000.00 24" gold spinners for their $1800.00 car. It's always lower class jackoffs born right here in the good ole USA who can't even string together a coherent sentence.

And by the way... how can there be so many successful blacks NOT affected by all these really critical issues that supposedly affect an entire race of people? That doesn't make sense. So many wealthy blacks... black doctors, lawyers, accountants, producers, athletes, actors, comedians, entrepreneurs etc etc etc etc... none of them bitching and complaining about how the "man" held them back and how they had to just stand around like a fucking idiot, speaking unintelligibly, pants sagging around their knees and packing a gun because of the "man" and because of history.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Abuse can take many many generations to sort out. 100 years is often not enough.



The reason why it doesn't affect him as much as others is because the effect of abuse on a population that is big enough (in this case millions) will have varied effects. You'll have people who are aggressive suicidal maniacs, self made millionaires and everyone else in between.

This guy just happens to be lucky enough to be on a better side of the spectrum. Perhaps he had better parents, role models, community, in-born personality etc....

Oh come on, who do “African American's” want sympathy, concessions or special treatment from, me? I had no black relatives in the Congo who captured their ancestors, I had no Portuguese relatives that bought their ancestors and brought them to America to sell. I have no southern relatives that bought their ancestors.

I don’t even have any relatives that were in America during the Civil War. Or during World War One for that matter.

I have the same empathy for anyone facing problems. Regardless of color. What I don’t have is sympathy for people dwelling in the past, the very distant past, that hasn’t got a damn thing to do with today.

I have a problem with people intentionally not fitting into today’s society and using something that happened 15 decades ago as an excuse. A selective excuse since the only time it seems to surface is when a white kills a black. Never when a black kills a white or a black kills another black. Funny how that works.

I applaud the young man that made the video and isn’t afraid to state the obvious.


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[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

so the conclusion is: while everyone else has the chance to work their way out by taking their life in their own hands, black people are a lost cause and if a black person did, he wasn't black enough.

or did i get you wrong?

You are not american, so maybe you don't know. Blacks who are successful are very often demonized and vilified by other blacks in the USA for their success. Always called "Uncle Toms"... "sell outs" etc I don't know any other race on the planet, anywhere that has done this. It's so insane to even think about.

Even Brassmonkey was attacking a successful black actress the other day for being "Black on the outside and white on the inside"

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Great one, I hope it gets seen. Maybe he's talking about the same thing Chris Rock is talking about:

The sad thing about that is that most of the ones falling into the category he's talking about will laugh their asses off at it... Then they'd go back to being themselves, without even considering making any changes.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Oh come on, who do ?African American's? want sympathy, concessions or special treatment from, me? I had no black relatives in the Congo who captured their ancestors, I had no Portuguese relatives that bought their ancestors and brought them to America to sell. I have no southern relatives that bought their ancestors.

I don?t even have any relatives that were in America during the Civil War. Or during World War One for that matter.

I never said that you had to do anything or that African American's needed anything from you.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I have the same empathy for anyone facing problems. Regardless of color. What I don?t have is sympathy for people dwelling in the past, the very distant past, that hasn?t got a damn thing to do with today.

That's really where this whole thread and you and I digress. They don't dwell on the past. They are not even aware of why they are the way they are.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I have a problem with people intentionally not fitting into today?s society and using something that happened 15 decades ago as an excuse. A selective excuse since the only time it seems to surface is when a white kills a black. Never when a black kills a white or a black kills another black. Funny how that works.

You are right that a double standard exists and that our culture today can be politically correct and I do not like that, and will agree with you on that point. But again, as I said before, I don't think that most of them realize that they are affected by the past.

It takes an educated mind (somewhat) and some outside help to even grasp the dynamics of abuse and how it plays out psycho dynamically within an individual or family. Many educated middle class White people are only able to 'see' why they have behaved they way they did after seeing a good therapist.

Now, having said that I don't mean to say that we should totally accept whatever African Americans do and feel sorry for all their behavior. Like everyone else they do need to make better decisions and do a better job but that problem faces most people, not just Blacks.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I see what you are saying and it holds truth to some degree. However it's never as black and white as that.

yes it is... nice try though

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mopek1

I agree that one can always try to make things better for themselves.

But starting a video saying that, "aside from slavery, police brutality and racism you guys suck" is really making it a 'black and white' issue. It's also invalidates the struggle and problems facing Blacks in America.

If I was him I would have started out saying that, "yes the past haunts us and is contributing to our problems today. Let's see what we can do now as a community ... etc."

so how long do you plan on making excuses for black America? black are good enough to succeed? black's can't make it with out whity's help? is this your point?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

This guy is right. Black people can't go around blaming slavery. But, like I said in another thread...the way they are collectively as a race now is because of slavery. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't recognize that fact and overcome it.

that's just not true by any means... the Irish were slaves in America, in fact many Irish slaves in America, and Irish slaves had less value than black slaves.... were do you think the mixed black/white people in NO come from? you should educate yourself... unless you like spouting 3rd grade mentality

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Oh come on, who do ?African American's? want sympathy, concessions or special treatment from, me? I had no black relatives in the Congo who captured their ancestors, I had no Portuguese relatives that bought their ancestors and brought them to America to sell. I have no southern relatives that bought their ancestors.

I don?t even have any relatives that were in America during the Civil War. Or during World War One for that matter.


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my relatives came to the south as slaves, my relatives fought in the civil war and WWI. my relatives NEVER owned or sold any black people or any other non black slaves ...

in fact it was AMERICA that stopped slavery, we certainly haven't been thanked for that

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

When I lived in Charleston, SC managing our properties I hear it every fucking day.

OK, let me get this straight.
You lived in probably the most prolific slave port in the south which has actually preserved slave era locations and artifacts and you heard something about slavery?

While yawl wert mannergin yoes propities.

[TheSquealer]

Weird how Jews can be some of the most persecuted and abused people in the history of the world and yet hugely successful and then at the same time, a certain segment of blacks in the USA alone can't do anything at all to help themselves because of something that happened ALL OVER THE WORLD throughout history and ended centuries ago.

Strange excuse for shitty parenting, the erosion of family and family values and a culture that worships stupidity

World. Star!!!

[SilentKnight]

That's 5mins. not wasted.

Likewise, gotta applaud this guy.

He's gonna go somewhere in life.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Weird how Jews can be some of the most persecuted and abused people in the history of the world and yet hugely successful and then at the same time, a certain segment of blacks in the USA alone can't do anything at all to help themselves because of something that happened ALL OVER THE WORLD throughout history and ended centuries ago.

Strange excuse for shitty parenting, the erosion of family and family values and a culture that worships stupidity

World. Star!!!

Weird how "Jim Crow" ended circa 1970 instead of centuries ago.

Weird how no Jews were enslaved in America for 300 years plus another 100 years of "Jim Crow".

Weird how Governor George Wallace just let a Jew walk right by him and into the school while stopping blacks.

Weird how I never saw the "Jew water fountain" in Alabama; just the "colored" one.

It's not really weird, it's more a case of you reading a history book written by this guy :

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Weird how "Jim Crow" ended circa 1970 instead of centuries ago.

Weird how no Jews were enslaved in America for 300 years plus another 100 years of "Jim Crow".

Weird how Governor George Wallace just let a Jew walk right by him and into the school while stopping blacks.

Weird how I never saw the "Jew water fountain" in Alabama; just the "colored" one.

It's not really weird, it's more a case of you reading a history book written by this guy :

Segregation is not slavery dumbass

[TheSquealer]

And by the way, women have historically been treated as second class and had few to no rights until the 60's as well. Funny how women are never crying that history has made them failures.