2006 to present, change was promised

[Vendzilla]

The rally cry of the democrats was "CHANGE" in 2006, people were tired of Bush and his policies



November 7 2006 - The Republican Party suffers losses in the United States midterm elections. They lose control of the House of Representatives and the Senate to the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi becomes first female Speaker of the House being the closest a female has been in succession of the president.

2006 economy
In 2006, the economy added on average 149,000 new jobs per month

In the first three quarters of 2006, the prices of all homes grew on average by an annualized rate of 5.9 percent

For 2006, the federal budget deficit is about $260 billion


So here we are, it's 2010, same democrats are in office and in control, but now we have a democratic president

we lost 54,000 jobs last month

Mid-year: A total of 1,961,894 foreclosures were filed on 1,654,634 properties during the first half of the year, up 5 percent from same period last year. More than 1.28 percent of all households were in some stage of foreclosure during the first half of 2010

CBO estimates that the federal budget deficit for 2010 will exceed $1.3 trillion



Is this the change they promised?

[GrouchyAdmin]

Got change?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Facts, who needs them?

[fatfoo]

People need jobs because jobs give them sanity.

[sicone]

Its clearly all of Obamas fault, he is the one who created all these problems that started in the previous 8 yrs before he was elected.

[Brujah]

Are you kidding? The past 100 Vendzilla topics are all about how much (bad) change there has been. He can't make up his mind.

[sicone]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

People need jobs because jobs give them sanity.

Fix your bot... Jobs drive people insane more often then not

[tony286]

Yep the right did everything perfect. It was those big bad democrats. We wont talk about all the policies the right said were fucked up and they had all bodies of government and did nothing about them.

[Jason Voorhees]

[TheDoc]

In 2006 the most of the war costs wasn't in the budget... in 2006, everything was dropping at a record pace, the numbers listed aren't high points, they're random numbers on the trip down that was already in motion. The worst economic drops in American History along with the largest theft of Money ever in the world.

In 08 the economic, housing, bank, everything was dropping through the floor, change was the stop, change was healthcare, change was the correction in books/money spending so you saw the truth. Change was us thinking the right/republicans would leave this President alone and not continue to suck the sheep in with fake bullshit lies.

Just to refresh your memory.

[The Demon]

It's hilarious when the right mention something, and then the left go right on the predictable defensive. It's like a retarded ape study. When someone makes fun of Bush, intelligent people don't go around saying "well Obama is just as bad!!" You liberals make me laugh.

And Doc, way to spin facts. Your rationalizations are priceless. If I thought the Republicans were bad, the Democrats are making the Republicans look good, and the "sheep" keep on following the democrats.

Change was thinking Obama was better than W.. We were wrong

[Babaganoosh]

Why are the people who are too stupid to debate politics always obsessed with politics?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by The Demon

It's hilarious when the right mention something, and then the left go right on the predictable defensive. It's like a retarded ape study. When someone makes fun of Bush, intelligent people don't go around saying "well Obama is just as bad!!" You liberals make me laugh.

And Doc, way to spin facts. Your rationalizations are priceless. If I thought the Republicans were bad, the Democrats are making the Republicans look good, and the "sheep" keep on following the democrats.

Change was thinking Obama was better than W.. We were wrong

I didn't rationalize anything... I posted what the situation was like back then, simple as that. You can try to twist it to mean whatever you think it means in your tiny head all you want.

Hehe, if you really think that, then you're what, 19? Like any adult actually thinks W was better.

[BFT3K]

No one ever knows what The Demon is thinking, within his tiny little head...

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Why are the people who are too stupid to debate politics always obsessed with politics?

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I didn't rationalize anything... I posted what the situation was like back then, simple as that. You can try to twist it to mean whatever you think it means in your tiny head all you want.

Hehe, if you really think that, then you're what, 19? Like any adult actually thinks W was better.

[Vendzilla]

what I posted was not opinion, it was facts and I asked a question that no one is answering
This is not about the president, it's about how we are benifiting under democrat control

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by sicone

Its clearly all of Obamas fault, he is the one who created all these problems that started in the previous 8 yrs before he was elected.

NOt what I wrote, wrote about the promise of change by the democrats

Originally Posted by Brujah

Are you kidding? The past 100 Vendzilla topics are all about how much (bad) change there has been. He can't make up his mind.

OK, so tell me the good change?

Originally Posted by tony299

Yep the right did everything perfect. It was those big bad democrats. We wont talk about all the policies the right said were fucked up and they had all bodies of government and did nothing about them.

Left has been in control for 4 years, how are we doing as you see it?

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

what I posted was not opinion, it was facts and I asked a question that no one is answering
This is not about the president, it's about how we are benifiting under democrat control

Would there be any difference if McCain was in?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Would there be any difference if McCain was in?

McCain is not in power, this is not just about the president, it's about the whole 545 people that run the country and who's in charge for the last 4 years

[Tom_PM]

The party of no got a wad up their cracks. End of story.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

McCain is not in power, this is not just about the president, it's about the whole 545 people that run the country and who's in charge for the last 4 years

That was not my question, I asked if the economy would be any different if McCain/Republicans were in.

[ottopottomouse]

@ Presidential candidate Vendzilla

What would you do to solve all the problems?

Actual viable solutions not just a load more stuff about everything being wrong.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The party of no got a wad up their cracks. End of story.

That's pretty retarded, thats like blaming the flat tire on a loose gas cap. GOP is not in control, the democratic party is.

Originally Posted by Bryan G

That was not my question, I asked if the economy would be any different if McCain/Republicans were in.

Why ask something that can't be proved either way, I mean what if Hilary had been president? it's the same question, the answer is who gives a fuck except for those that want to make an excuse for the shit that our leaders are doing to our country?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

@ Presidential candidate Vendzilla

What would you do to solve all the problems?

Actual viable solutions not just a load more stuff about everything being wrong.

pull out of both wars tomorrow

get rid of nafta and balance the trade deficit

Put California's Prop 187 to cover the whole nation

rewrite the 14th ammendment to exclude anchor babies

Give aftghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and every other country over there one week to bring Osama to justice or we stop aid and oil purchasing

Drill for oil off the coast in full force and in Alaska, but with the newer safer drill rig equipment

Actually read the bills that come across the desk and get rid of the waste

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Why are the people who are too stupid to debate politics always obsessed with politics?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

what I posted was not opinion, it was facts and I asked a question that no one is answering
This is not about the president, it's about how we are benifiting under democrat control

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

NOt what I wrote, wrote about the promise of change by the democrats



OK, so tell me the good change?



Left has been in control for 4 years, how are we doing as you see it?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

McCain is not in power, this is not just about the president, it's about the whole 545 people that run the country and who's in charge for the last 4 years

Seriously, stop obsessing about politics. Get back to work.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Seriously, stop obsessing about politics. Get back to work.

Multi tasking, uploading content right now

And I wasn't debating, I asked a question, is this the change we were promised in 2006?

[marketsmart]

these debates are futile.. corporations are running this country now and have been for some time..

everything is about greed..

i continue to hope that things get worse..

if enough people feel enough pain, maybe real change will happen...




.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

these debates are futile.. corporations are running this country now and have been for some time..

everything is about greed..

i continue to hope that things get worse..

if enough people feel enough pain, maybe real change will happen...




.

No debate, just wanted to know if this is the change they promised?

[_Richard_]

so the whole healthcare thing is.. run of the mill for politics in the states?

[Pics Traffic]

Another busy day in the life of Briana Bank... I mean Vendzilla.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so the whole healthcare thing is.. run of the mill for politics in the states?

You mean the 2300 page bill that Pelosi said she didn't know what was in it and that promised to lower the debt and lower healthcare rates? The bill that since it's passage, healthcare rates have risen around 20%?

Is that the healthcare thing you're talking about?

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

pull out of both wars tomorrow

get rid of nafta and balance the trade deficit

good points

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Put California's Prop 187 to cover the whole nation

Wasn't Prop 187 essentially ruled unconstitutional and all appeals dropped by Gov. Davis.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

rewrite the 14th ammendment to exclude anchor babies

Good way to start excluding all of the "tired, poor, trodden masses". But has such a minimal impact that it is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Give aftghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and every other country over there one week to bring Osama to justice or we stop aid and oil purchasing

Iraq realy? We aren't giving aid or buying oil from Iran. We are so up to our necks in Afghanistan protecting the oil pipelines and ignoring the billions of aid they are stealing that we would never threaten them with this.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Drill for oil off the coast in full force and in Alaska, but with the newer safer drill rig equipment

These are good goals. Only problem is the second part. Big Oil owns so many "public servants" that any regulations intended to provide for safer equipment would be deep sixed.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Actually read the bills that come across the desk and get rid of the waste

Just a good talking point. The Congressmen/Senators can cry and moan that they don't have time to read the bills. Only problem is they don't read them anyway, Their staffs do and give them the relevant points they need to make their arguments pro or con. So all in all just a shell game used to divert the masses from the real issues.

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You mean the 2300 page bill that Pelosi said she didn't know what was in it and that promised to lower the debt and lower healthcare rates? The bill that since it's passage, healthcare rates have risen around 20%?

Is that the healthcare thing you're talking about?

Really, don't try the Fox and Friends spin. The health care bill passed doesn't go into effect for a couple more years. What is happenning is exactly what the bill is intended to stop. The Insurance Industry is just shoving it down America's throat. They don't give a rat's ass about you or me. Just have a major health problem and then see what happens.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by alessergod

good points

thank you

Wasn't Prop 187 essentially ruled unconstitutional and all appeals dropped by Gov. Davis.

and Gov Davis lost to Arnold

Good way to start excluding all of the "tired, poor, trodden masses". But has such a minimal impact that it is a waste of time.

Minimal impact? 1 in 15 babies born in the US are Anchor babies, at an average cost of $10k each for a birth without complications, even more with, given most don't have prenatal, I would say that's a MAJOR impact, also including counties like San Bernardino spent 67 million in welfare to families with Anchor babies last year.

Iraq realy? We aren't giving aid or buying oil from Iran. We are so up to our necks in Afghanistan protecting the oil pipelines and ignoring the billions of aid they are stealing that we would never threaten them with this.

We give shit loads to countries all over the region, maybe not those, but if we cut off all aid and buying oil, how long before the countries effected raise hell with the counties that are not effected

These are good goals. Only problem is the second part. Big Oil owns so many "public servants" that any regulations intended to provide for safer equipment would be deep sixed.

the safer equipment is in use in other countries, just not here

Just a good talking point. The Congressmen/Senators can cry and moan that they don't have time to read the bills. Only problem is they don't read them anyway, Their staffs do and give them the relevant points they need to make their arguments pro or con. So all in all just a shell game used to divert the masses from the real issues.

And make it public all the whining that those congressmen and senators raise hell about to get their pork in there. Make them responsible for whats in the bill by using the public. Most bills today are written by the special interest people. Statements like Pelosi saying we'll know whats in the bill after it's passed needs to be changed.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

these debates are futile.. corporations are running this country now and have been for some time..

everything is about greed..

i continue to hope that things get worse..

if enough people feel enough pain, maybe real change will happen...




.

Exactly. Bush and Obama and Clinton and Reagan are all in the same party, The Corporatist Party.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by alessergod

Really, don't try the Fox and Friends spin. The health care bill passed doesn't go into effect for a couple more years. What is happenning is exactly what the bill is intended to stop. The Insurance Industry is just shoving it down America's throat. They don't give a rat's ass about you or me. Just have a major health problem and then see what happens.

a good bill would have taken that into consideration, not about Fox, about what I hear about my own health coverage and others. I'm sure the insurance industry had a major role in writing the new law, that's why Blue Shield said it was going to raise the rates before it was passed , to hopefully scare people into believeing it was good for it.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Exactly. Bush and Obama and Clinton and Reagan are all in the same party, The Corporatist Party.

People keep saying that, but if it were true, then why are the largest corporations spending BILLIONS on anti-Obama ads and propaganda?

When the Health Insurance companies, Big Oil, and greedy fucks like the Koch Bros, are spending this much money to destroy Obama - then I am 100% PRO-OBAMA!

Do the math...

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

a good bill would have taken that into consideration, not about Fox, about what I hear about my own health coverage and others. I'm sure the insurance industry had a major role in writing the new law, that's why Blue Shield said it was going to raise the rates before it was passed , to hopefully scare people into believeing it was good for it.

Hell yeah the Insurance Industry had a hand in writing it, that is well documented. All industries controll what has been writen in to laws that affect them. I don't however think BC/BS raised rates to scare people into believing the Health Care Bill would be good for them, I think they did it just to say Fuck You we are going to do what we damn well please. The GOP lobbied them hard not to raise the rates, BC/BS owns them so they don't give a damn.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by alessergod

Really, don't try the Fox and Friends spin. The health care bill passed doesn't go into effect for a couple more years. What is happenning is exactly what the bill is intended to stop. The Insurance Industry is just shoving it down America's throat. They don't give a rat's ass about you or me. Just have a major health problem and then see what happens.

Wrong, many provisions don't go into effect for a couple more years.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Wrong, many provisions don't go into effect for a couple more years.

Currently active is the tax on tanning salons, and this month high risk kids will be able to qualify for high-risk insurance plans, which is funded by grants & the people directly, and not the insurance companies. The rest include bans for dropping ill people and extensions of those still in school, laws in many States already. Most of the guts of the healthcare bill, that actual might affect insurance companies doesn't start until 2012.

The healthcare bill is not why insurance companies increased rates.

[Amputate Your Head]

what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so the whole healthcare thing is.. run of the mill for politics in the states?

one of the two gangs of idiots which dominate our congress is always trying to usurp constitutional authority which they do not have, restrict the freedoms of those whom they supposedly represent, and write laws which actually benefit the very corporations which they publicly ridicule and defame (it's important to put on at least a facade of being on the side of their constituents).

so yeah, it was pretty run of the mill, the only part of it which wasn't, was that one political party controlled all of the (no longer existant) checks and balances, so they were able to pass much more extremist legislation than they would have been able to during a more normal political era. the last time we had similar naseuating actions forced upon us was also when one party controlled everything, i.e. the patriot act etc.

the government here only works as it is intended when the political parties are in gridlock with one another and have no choice but to cooperate with their opposition. when each side takes a turn at total control, they just end up swinging from one extremist vision to the other, with each taking power and freedoms away from those whom they are supposed to represent.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

In an overall scheme of slavery, working for the man, producing someone else's grand wealth, paying taxes on everything-every way, systems created on top of systems to mask the truth... we are all sheep, even the President.

I would say most of what we get, is much of the same from them all... but that 5% or 10% that is different, under the right President make for huge changes.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

People keep saying that, but if it were true, then why are the largest corporations spending BILLIONS on anti-Obama ads and propaganda?

When the Health Insurance companies, Big Oil, and greedy fucks like the Koch Bros, are spending this much money to destroy Obama - then I am 100% PRO-OBAMA!

Do the math...

Why is Soros spending billions on anti tea party and anti Beck propaganda? Just because they are Corporatist does not mean they are wanting the same corporations to benefit. You do the math.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Why is Soros spending billions on anti tea party and anti Beck propaganda? Just because they are Corporatist does not mean they are wanting the same corporations to benefit. You do the math.

And Soros is a threat to you, how?

http://www.soros.org/

By arguing my point, you are just another fucking pawn for the corporate owners that own you.

George Soros does not have an evil agenda.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

what's funny is that you guys believe it matters who is President.

I think it matters, but in the opening post, no mention of who is the president, just that the president was a democrat.
I may hate Barry as a spinless idiot, but 545 people are responsible for this mess we're in, and listening the democrats saying things will get better is getting boring, they had a good set up when they took office in 2006, now look at things, but hey, they need more time, more time to do what, fuck things up more?

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think it matters, but in the opening post, no mention of who is the president, just that the president was a democrat.
I may hate Barry as a spinless idiot, but 545 people are responsible for this mess we're in, and listening the democrats saying things will get better is getting boring, they had a good set up when they took office in 2006, now look at things, but hey, they need more time, more time to do what, fuck things up more?

Yes they did take power in '06 but did not have the 60 senators needed to beat a filibuster until 08 but that included the independent Liberman. Without the 60 number nothing of significance could get through. Plus Bush threatened to veto anything he did not agree with. So in reality they only had the power to pass major legislaton for about a year and a half as Scott Brown gave the GOP 41 when he got elected after Kennedy died.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You mean the 2300 page bill that Pelosi said she didn't know what was in it and that promised to lower the debt and lower healthcare rates? The bill that since it's passage, healthcare rates have risen around 20%?

Is that the healthcare thing you're talking about?

that's the one!

the rates have increased by 20% since march? that's highway robbery

thank god you're getting your public optio.. oh way

right

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

one of the two gangs of idiots which dominate our congress is always trying to usurp constitutional authority which they do not have, restrict the freedoms of those whom they supposedly represent, and write laws which actually benefit the very corporations which they publicly ridicule and defame (it's important to put on at least a facade of being on the side of their constituents).

so yeah, it was pretty run of the mill, the only part of it which wasn't, was that one political party controlled all of the (no longer existant) checks and balances, so they were able to pass much more extremist legislation than they would have been able to during a more normal political era. the last time we had similar naseuating actions forced upon us was also when one party controlled everything, i.e. the patriot act etc.

the government here only works as it is intended when the political parties are in gridlock with one another and have no choice but to cooperate with their opposition. when each side takes a turn at total control, they just end up swinging from one extremist vision to the other, with each taking power and freedoms away from those whom they are supposed to represent.

while i agree with what you're saying i find your attitude slightly jaded

Obama has done the same or better in furthering most of Bushes policies, with the exception of healthcare.

healthcare, is political suicide that has to be done.. it's just a question of if you guys get the job done in time with all the "commie-muslim-president" rhetoric that seems to be going on with no end in sight

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

while i agree with what you're saying i find your attitude slightly jaded

Obama has done the same or better in furthering most of Bushes policies, with the exception of healthcare.

healthcare, is political suicide that has to be done.. it's just a question of if you guys get the job done in time with all the "commie-muslim-president" rhetoric that seems to be going on with no end in sight

Yeppers, The GOP proposed damn near the exact same bill a few years back but now they see it in their best interest to keep the Kenyon in his place. Wait til they get back in power and see if they really have the will to repeal it. That will show thier true stripe.