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Old 12-15-2014, 08:54 AM   #51
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I was shocked by 220v long before anybody paid me to do it. I didn't do it to be cool...
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:59 AM   #52
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We are going to end up with a wind solar hybrid system geared mostly to wind. We usually have a 12 mph wind around almost 24/7 Sun in the winter is a solid 8+ hours of high and strong enough but we get some slow wind days. so it will be 2 or 3 panels for that time and wind the rest.
wind eh? any details or ?? I'm curious about the system.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:03 AM   #53
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:07 AM   #54
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Well I drive an 86 Vanagon, so as far as new car carbon footprint I'm pretty sure I'm ahead of the game. However it's not fair to assume that everyone can get by with an older vehicle. If mine breaks I can fix pretty much anything on it myself, however others likely can not do the same. Meaning it's a given that new cars will have to be built and older cars will go by the way side.

So you would have to have some sort of govt mandate to limit the production of new cars, which also has effects on the economy & jobs as less cars built means a whole lot less jobs all the way through the auto manufacturing food chain. Be it the manufacturers, suppliers, dealers or the people whom cook their lunch and take out the trash.

This is why the govt doesn't put a mandate stopping new car production, but instead puts mandates on fuel economy. The idea being that as older cars get less emissions and worse fuel economy get put in the junk yards, the newer more fuel efficient cars take their place.


that's not the point though. this isn't about the government or general numbers, the question was does ********** conserve and the answer is no. It's not a generalized question, it's specific. True conservationists do not add to the problem, they subtract from it, i.e. conserve.

Moreover, one does not have to buy that much of an older car or a pos car to conserve. Canada has GOBS of clean diesel cars for sale there and has for years. A 5 year old VW TDI with 75000 miles on it has already amortized most its' carbon footprint and someone who is interested in cleaning up the environment and not polluting would purchase that car to conserve energy, not a brand new car that also, by the way, has a much larger manufacturing carbon footprint than a clean diesel.


there is a mountain of data online to corroborate what I just wrote too.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:34 AM   #55
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As Matt Power notes in this month?s issue of Wired, hybrids get great gas mileage but it takes 113 million BTUs of energy to make a Toyota Prius. Because there are about 113,000 BTUs of energy in a gallon of gasoline, the Prius has consumed the equivalent of 1,000 gallons of gasoline before it reaches the showroom. Think of it as a carbon debt ? one you won?t pay off until the Prius has turned over 46,000 miles or so.

There?s an easy way to avoid that debt ? buy a used car. The debt has already been paid. But not just any used car will do.


It has to be something fuel efficient. Like, say, a 1998 Toyota Tercel that gets 27 mpg city / 35 mpg highway miles. The Prius will have to go 100,000 miles to achieve the same carbon savings as the 10-year-old Tercel. Get behind the wheel of a 1994 Geo Metro XFi, which matches the Prius? 46 mpg, and the Prius would never close the carbon gap, Power writes.

There are a lot of used cars out there that top 30 mpg, and more than a few that reach into the 40s.
VW jetta clean diesel gets ~60mpg
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He died from a 110v wall socket shock?
it's the amperage that can do it. Was lucky not to get killed myself this weekend, had some basement flooding and had to do a mad dash to the breaker to turn the power off...
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that's not the point though. this isn't about the government or general numbers, the question was does ********** conserve and the answer is no. It's not a generalized question, it's specific. True conservationists do not add to the problem, they subtract from it, i.e. conserve.

Moreover, one does not have to buy that much of an older car or a pos car to conserve. Canada has GOBS of clean diesel cars for sale there and has for years. A 5 year old VW TDI with 75000 miles on it has already amortized most its' carbon footprint and someone who is interested in cleaning up the environment and not polluting would purchase that car to conserve energy, not a brand new car that also, by the way, has a much larger manufacturing carbon footprint than a clean diesel.


there is a mountain of data online to corroborate what I just wrote too.
Yea I agree with what you are saying, it's just often that argument is used to make it seem as if hybrids or electric cars are no better than regular cars. However it's not the case with all older cars. There really are just a limited few that can get that kind of mileage.

Take my vanagon for instance, it's actually a heavy van with a under powered 4 cylinder. Due to that the mileage kinda sucks for a vehicle it's size. I get about 15 in the city and 17-18 on the highway. Meanwhile I have a 200hp Ecotec out of a Saturn Sky that I'm putting in my Syncro. With that motor I will get around 25mpg on average. Meaning I'm increasing the MPG by quite a bit, yet I could never register the van in Cali, because even if it had cleaner emissions it's not an approved conversion.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:25 PM   #59
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Please explain to the group how buying a new car that just the manufacturing of dumped 20000 tons of carbon on the rest of us is good science.

Here's your chance.
I'm not doing your research for you. Learn to do your own if you want to learn.

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isn't it the current that kills you, not the voltage? I think I'd rather get jolted by 220v and 1mA rather than 110v and 1A, as I understand it.
Oh my god,how do you have solar panels and not understand the basics of electricity? What a stupid bitch.

Voltage (volts) measures the pressure, or FORCE, of electricity. The amps multiplied by the volts gives you the wattage (watts), a measure of the WORK that electricity does per second. Think of it this way: Electricity flowing through a wire is like water flowing through a garden hose.

Read this, bitch: What?s The Difference Between Watts And Volt-Amperes? | Energy content from Electronic Design

so you can hopefully stop dumbing down the Interwebz.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:28 PM   #60
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that's not the point though. this isn't about the government or general numbers, the question was does ********** conserve and the answer is no. It's not a generalized question, it's specific. True conservationists do not add to the problem, they subtract from it, i.e. conserve.
You're the one trying to make the point, bitch, but you have yet to post links to back up any of your claims. Where are they?


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Moreover, one does not have to buy that much of an older car or a pos car to conserve. Canada has GOBS of clean diesel cars for sale there and has for years. A 5 year old VW TDI with 75000 miles on it has already amortized most its' carbon footprint and someone who is interested in cleaning up the environment and not polluting would purchase that car to conserve energy, not a brand new car that also, by the way, has a much larger manufacturing carbon footprint than a clean diesel.

Only a complete idiot would use the word "clean" and "diesel" in the same sentence. Kindly post links that prove diesel is clean or cleaner than electric.

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there is a mountain of data online to corroborate what I just wrote too.
And yet, you have posted none.

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Old 12-15-2014, 12:51 PM   #61
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You're the one trying to make the point, bitch, but you have yet to post links to back up any of your claims. Where are they?





Only a complete idiot would use the word "clean" and "diesel" in the same sentence. Kindly post links that prove diesel is clean or cleaner than electric.



And yet, you have posted none.

Toots bitch!

**********, this thread is not about you, I didn't even bring you up, someone else did combined with YOU choosing to click in here and post on your own accord.

next, are you really this fucking stupid? to not even know about clean diesel?

I mean really? It's one thing to buy a volt and think you are helping when you are actually hurting but to not have even heard of clean diesel.....i mean dang.

Finally, you're the one claiming to be saving the planet yet fails to comprehend basic math. My claim is you are not a conservationist and I've provided plenty of links proofing that anyone who buys a new Volt has to own that car for many years and drive it many many miles just to get back to zero carbon impact from the manufacturing.

it's not rocket science.
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**********, here is another opportunity to learn from me.

Clean diesel is the new generation of diesel made up of a three-part system that combines cleaner diesel fuel, advanced engines and effective emissions control technology. This new system ensures that clean diesel engines will continue to play a dominant role in the future while helping meet energy security, greenhouse gas and clean air objectives around the world.

https://www.google.com/search?q=clea...=clean+diesel+

~8 million results there on clean diesel.


Also, I mentioned the VW TDI series diesel engines specifically, you can learn about that technology also
Turbocharged Direct Injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The TDI engine uses direct injection where a fuel injector sprays atomised fuel directly into the main combustion chamber of each cylinder, rather than the pre-combustion chamber prevalent in older diesels which used indirect injection.

These, in combination, allow for greater engine efficiency, and therefore greater power outputs (from a more complete combustion process compared to indirect injection), while also decreasing emissions and providing more torque than the non-turbo and non-direct injection petrol engined counterpart from VAG.

Similar technology has been used by other automotive companies, but "TDI" specifically refers to these Volkswagen Group engines. Naturally aspirated direct-injection diesel engines (those without a turbocharger) made by Volkswagen Group use the Suction Diesel Injection (SDI) label.



TDI engines are frequent winners of various prizes in the International Engine of the Year Awards. In 1999 the Volkswagen Group 1.2 TDI 3L beat the Toyota Prius to win "Best Fuel Economy" in its class.

The TDI engine has won "Green Car of the Year award" in the years 2009 (Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 litre common-rail TDI clean diesel) and 2010 (Audi A3 TDI clean diesel) beating other various electric cars.
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complete idiots using clean and diesel in the same sentence awarded this Audi clean diesel car green car of the year over electric cars.

what a complete idiots!




Audi A3 TDI Wins 2010 Green Car of the Year Award

the Audi A3 TDI achieves its "clean diesel" status through advanced tuning of its 2.0 liter powerplant. Unlike larger diesels in the U.S. market, no downstream urea injection is required. According to the government's Model Year 2010 Green Vehicle Guide, the Audi A3 TDI is certified at the federal Tier 2 Bin 5 level.

The other four finalists in the GCJ competition included another diesel, the 2010 Volkswagen Golf TDI, and three hybrids, the 2010 Honda Insight, 2010 Mercury Milan Hybrid (sibling of Ford's Fusion Hybrid) and 2010 Toyota Prius.



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