Big Anti-islam marches in Germany

[aka123]

Good thing that Germany is economically well, as there might be tendency for certain deja-vu stuff (unnamed in here).


"No sharia law in Europe!" proclaimed one banner.

But it rapidly became clear that most here are protesting against high levels of immigration and asylum seekers.

A few years ago such scenes would have been inconceivable in this country. Many in Germany are ashamed and horrified - not just by the numbers at this demonstration but by support for right-wing groups elsewhere.

What has startled politicians, though, is that many in the crowds at Dresden are not extremists or neo-Nazis. As conservative politician Wolfgang Bosbach puts it, these are concerned mothers and pensioners.

The sheer numbers at recent demonstrations are forcing a public discussion around immigration. It's a debate with which many feel deeply uncomfortable. But it's a debate which many also say can no longer be ignored."

BBC News - Anti-Islam 'Pegida' march in German city of Dresden


EDIT: The title is a bit wrong, as it's more about immigrants in general. Can't edit it anymore.

[FriendsForNow]

Interesting read.

[hadden]

A lot of shit countries need their very own annex.

[MiamiBoyz]

At least there are some countries willing to speak out about the invasion of these religious parasites.

[fappingJack]

Interesting news. Thanks for the share.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

At least there are some countries willing to speak out about the invasion of these religious parasites.

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[rogueteens]

Strange that the BBC call them asylum seekers when they are in Germany, when they come here the Beeb calls them economic migrants.
All of the UK media try and call them migrants now instead of asylum seekers, that's the upper echelons trying to make the threat seem cuddly.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by aka123

Good thing that Germany is economically well, as there might be tendency for certain deja-vu stuff (unnamed in here).


"No sharia law in Europe!" proclaimed one banner.

But it rapidly became clear that most here are protesting against high levels of immigration and asylum seekers.

A few years ago such scenes would have been inconceivable in this country. Many in Germany are ashamed and horrified - not just by the numbers at this demonstration but by support for right-wing groups elsewhere.

What has startled politicians, though, is that many in the crowds at Dresden are not extremists or neo-Nazis. As conservative politician Wolfgang Bosbach puts it, these are concerned mothers and pensioners.

The sheer numbers at recent demonstrations are forcing a public discussion around immigration. It's a debate with which many feel deeply uncomfortable. But it's a debate which many also say can no longer be ignored."

BBC News - Anti-Islam 'Pegida' march in German city of Dresden

EDIT: The title is a bit wrong, as it's more about immigrants in general. Can't edit it anymore.

The media and establishment in germany is the ones that keep saying it's rascist to say anything negative about immigration, no wonder it ends up being uncomfortable to discuss. But people must think for themself and have a mindset of a critic. Angela Merkel says she is ashamed of the protests in dresden, you know what? the german people should be ashamed of Angela who don't listen or care what the german people have to say.

This is a type of brainwash that's been on heavy duty for the last 10-20 years. The protesters in dresden have atleast awaken and they are neither extremists or neo-Nazis just concerned citizens that now believes enough is enough.

Time for Angela to permanently step aside and sit in a comfortable chair and do some knitting instead of trying to castrate the german people with her daily bullshit. She can take her good hearted apostles of the german establishment with her as well.

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Strange that the BBC call them asylum seekers when they are in Germany, when they come here the Beeb calls them economic migrants.
All of the UK media try and call them migrants now instead of asylum seekers, that's the upper echelons trying to make the threat seem cuddly.

All in the name of being political correct. In the end that's what's going to kill people's freedom and possibly start a new major war if they don't stop to distort the facts. The very same war they said EU is supposed to prevent.

[tanyamuhammad742]

good read. thx

[christian.petrescu]

interesting topic but too complicated and probably racist

[nadiacassie]

the international conspiration?? probably media story.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by christian.petrescu

interesting topic but too complicated and probably racist

Humans are characteristically racists, so I don't think that it matters that much.

My friend who has been somewhat much in Germany says Germans are still kinda mini-nazis. Probably Germans would be more openly "racists" without the Nazi past. I think that they would make better decisions altogether without the Nazi past, as now they are trying to hide uncomfortable issues so that they won't be blamed as Nazis or something like that. Better to deal with issues before there is another Hitler.

[SilentKnight]

Canada needs to follow Germany's lead...take it a step farther and send the radical religion crife out to sea on leaky boats.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by aka123

Humans are characteristically racists, so I don't think that it matters that much.

My friend who has been somewhat much in Germany says Germans are still kinda mini-nazis. Probably Germans would be more openly "racists" without the Nazi past. I think that they would make better decisions altogether without the Nazi past, as now they are trying to hide uncomfortable issues so that they won't be blamed as Nazis or something like that. Better to deal with issues before there is another Hitler.

Germans are still mini-nazis?

What is a mini-nazi? Someone who wants to put less jews in new concentration camps?

I think many germans if they knew what you think about them would be greatly appalled.

Would be more openly racists without the nazi past?

I hope for your own sake you lack the skills of expressing yourself in english. I hope you mean that they more openly would question the establishment without the nazi past.

Is that it ?

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by tanyamuhammad742

good read. thx

Originally Posted by christian.petrescu

interesting topic but too complicated and probably racist

Originally Posted by nadiacassie

the international conspiration?? probably media story.

Great. More fucking bots.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Canada needs to follow Germany's lead...take it a step farther and send the radical religion crife out to sea on leaky boats.

So does America

[aka123]

Originally Posted by DraX

Germans are still mini-nazis?

What is a mini-nazi? Someone who wants to put less jews in new concentration camps?

I think many germans if they knew what you think about them would be greatly appalled.

Would be more openly racists without the nazi past?

I hope for your own sake you lack the skills of expressing yourself in english. I hope you mean that they more openly would question the establishment without the nazi past.

Is that it ?

My friend did say that mini-nazi thing, I didn't ask for definition. He probably meant somewhat racist and somewhat authoritarian people/ society. And nazis were much more than just putting jewish into concentration camps.

Questioning the establishment? Well.. no, I didn't mean that, I meant that more openly racist. What the fuck the nazi past has to do with questioning some establishment in general?

Maybe it is just you taking the word racist a bit more seriously. Didn't you read what I wrote? We are all racists.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by DraX

The media and establishment in germany is the ones that keep saying it's rascist to say anything negative about immigration

Yes, as it is racist by definition to treat people differently based on their nationality (at least by UN definition). Starting to get the picture about we all being racists?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Canada needs to follow Germany's lead...take it a step farther and send the radical religion crife out to sea on leaky boats.

you putting the catholics in that boat? they have issues as well

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by aka123

Humans are characteristically racists, so I don't think that it matters that much.

My friend who has been somewhat much in Germany says Germans are still kinda mini-nazis. Probably Germans would be more openly "racists" without the Nazi past. I think that they would make better decisions altogether without the Nazi past, as now they are trying to hide uncomfortable issues so that they won't be blamed as Nazis or something like that. Better to deal with issues before there is another Hitler.

your friend is an idiot.

and those demonstrations do attract nazis, not saying all participants are

but first and foremost there are people demonstrating that fear someone is taking something away from them - people that 25 years ago flooded western Germany when running away from eastern Germany. now they fear islamisation in a part of Germany that has like zero point something foreigner in total

they may not all be nazis - but they are all stupid

[aka123]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

your friend is an idiot.

and those demonstrations do attract nazis, not saying all participants are

but first and foremost there are people demonstrating that fear someone is taking something away from them - people that 25 years ago flooded western Germany when running away from eastern Germany. now they fear islamisation in a part of Germany that has like zero point something foreigner in total

they may not all be nazis - but they are all stupid

This same stuff is rising in all Europe, not just Germany. Although that kind of demonstrations might have happened just in Germany.

For the defence of my friend, the word nazi has not that negative meaning around here.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you putting the catholics in that boat? they have issues as well

Every religious fanatic and zealot regardless of stripe.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Every religious fanatic and zealot regardless of stripe.

Love boat vol. 2. Must be jolly ride.

[MaDalton]

i am all for demonstrations when there's a reason - just in this case there is none.

you should read what those idiots write on Facebook, 75% can't even write one proper german sentence but demand that all foreigners must lean german immediately (we're mostly talking about people fleeing from the war in Syria here - they have other problems for now)

there are several Facebook pages already that just collect spelling mistakes from germans demanding others should learn german - it's highly comical

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

there are several Facebook pages already that just collect spelling mistakes from germans demanding others should learn german - it's highly comical

In Canada we harvest all the (so-called) writers who totally bastardize the english language and give them jobs in the mainstream media - mostly newspaper columnists and reporters. We take away their access to spellcheckers and dictionaries - since they wouldn't bother to utilize them anyways.

Equally comical.

[MPGdevil]

You don't have to be a neo-Nazi to see Muslims don't belong in Europe.

[xKingx]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

You don't have to be a neo-Nazi to see Muslims don't belong in Europe.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

You don't have to be a neo-Nazi to see Muslims don't belong in Europe.

like it or not the outnumber u. be friends or enemy they are growing. they are not going away

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

there are several Facebook pages already that just collect spelling mistakes from germans demanding others should learn german - it's highly comical

haha can you post a link to a few? maybe i'll understand 'em with my limited knowledge of German..

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul&John

haha can you post a link to a few? maybe i'll understand 'em with my limited knowledge of German..

i'm following these two:

https://www.facebook.com/afdnpd

https://www.facebook.com/NeudeutscherStumpfsinn


this is a prime example:



the stupid cow doesn't understand "verunglimpfung", thinks "inakzeptabel" is english and the rest has like 20+ spelling mistakes

but she complains how a newspaper abuses the german language (they don't, she just doesn't understand it)

and that's the kind of people attending those demonstrations

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

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[CHMOD]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

At least there are some countries willing to speak out about the invasion of these religious parasites.

What he said. There are still do gooders that do not see the islam danger.

[aka123]

I just read about this, I think it fits nicely into this thread.

"(Reuters) - French police arrested a man on Sunday evening after he deliberately mowed down a dozen pedestrians in the eastern city of Dijon, badly injuring two of them and shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is the greatest"), authorities said.

The previous day, French police in central France shot dead a man who stabbed and wounded three officers in a police station while shouting those same Arabic words.

The Dijon driver, in his forties, slammed his car into groups of pedestrians in five parts of the city before he was arrested and held for questioning, a spokesman for the Interior ministry said on BFM TV.

Eleven people were injured, two of them seriously, but their lives were not at risk, local authorities said."

Invoking Allah, driver slams car into pedestrians in eastern France | Reuters

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by aka123

I just read about this, I think it fits nicely into this thread.

"(Reuters) - French police arrested a man on Sunday evening after he deliberately mowed down a dozen pedestrians in the eastern city of Dijon, badly injuring two of them and shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is the greatest"), authorities said.

The previous day, French police in central France shot dead a man who stabbed and wounded three officers in a police station while shouting those same Arabic words.

The Dijon driver, in his forties, slammed his car into groups of pedestrians in five parts of the city before he was arrested and held for questioning, a spokesman for the Interior ministry said on BFM TV.

Eleven people were injured, two of them seriously, but their lives were not at risk, local authorities said."

Invoking Allah, driver slams car into pedestrians in eastern France | Reuters

IF something like that would have happened in Germany, i would understand when people protest

but it did not.

i watched this earlier today:
Bogida: Initiatorin Dittmer mit brauner Vergangenheit - SPIEGEL ONLINE

another ex nazi that now organizes demonstrations that have (of course) nothing to do with racism... haha

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by aka123

Yes, as it is racist by definition to treat people differently based on their nationality (at least by UN definition). Starting to get the picture about we all being racists?

You're a moron. You might wanna educate yourself, racism means discrimination because of race, not nationality.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

like it or not the outnumber u. be friends or enemy they are growing. they are not going away

I'd rather die fighting extreme Islam than live under it.

[CHMOD]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

IF something like that would have happened in Germany, i would understand when people protest

but it did not.

i watched this earlier today:
Bogida: Initiatorin Dittmer mit brauner Vergangenheit - SPIEGEL ONLINE

another ex nazi that now organizes demonstrations that have (of course) nothing to do with racism... haha

So you think that germans should wait to have big issues with islam before making demonstrations against radical islam? I always thought that wanting to prevent problems was more briliant then realizing too late that you are in deep shit and that you should have done something before.

Anyway, Germany, just like all other countries with a big muslim community, is having issues with islam.

You are being redirected...

Islamic Mediators Facilitate 'Two Legal Systems' in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE


It is islam that is the new face of nazism. You should thank people on the street that want to keep fascism out of your country instead of critizing them.

[MrBottomTooth]

With all the trouble the fucks are causing in places like england with only around 5% of the population you'd think everyone would want to keep these bastards out while they still had the chance.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CHMOD

So you think that germans should wait to have big issues with islam before making demonstrations against radical islam? I always thought that wanting to prevent problems was more briliant then realizing too late that you are in deep shit and that you should have done something before.

Anyway, Germany, just like all other countries with a big muslim community, is having issues with islam.

You are being redirected...

Islamic Mediators Facilitate 'Two Legal Systems' in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE


It is islam that is the new face of nazism. You should thank people on the street that want to keep fascism out of your country instead of critizing them.

I am all for treating normal muslims the same way like normal christians or any other religion - with no extra rights or benefits and the same obligations.

But i am for sure not going to demonstrate lead by former and current neonazis that play with the stupidity of people

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I am all for treating normal muslims the same way like normal christians or any other religion - with no extra rights or benefits and the same obligations.

But i am for sure not going to demonstrate lead by former and current neonazis that play with the stupidity of people

Thing is though... Those stupid people marching with the neo-nazis are doing it because the establishment portrays any such attitudes as racism. Just look at the growth of nationalist parties around Europe. Some have doubled in size during the past few years, some are even part of their countries' governments.

It's not like the number of racists has doubled in the last five years or so. But they're the only ones trying to do something about the growing immigration issues. Many of their voters would likely vote for other parties, should those have a spine and address these issues. But they don't.

Both the media and the established parties are cowering behind political correctness, scared shitless of being called racists. At the same time they're labeling citizens as racists, simply because they they switch party allegiances due to their growing concerns about immigration.

That's also a reason why they're often turning a blind eye to this Sharia imbecility, because if they address it head-on they fear they'll be labeled as racists.

So in reality all this shit is their fault. If they had grown a set of balls and dealt with it, none of this would've happened.

[silversonbass]

thanks for this ! Interesting …

[DraX]

Originally Posted by aka123

Yes, as it is racist by definition to treat people differently based on their nationality (at least by UN definition). Starting to get the picture about we all being racists?

I dont care about any U.N definition I care about my freedom. No im not getting the picture. You keep calling everyone racists but you dont see the complexity of what is going on.

[Phoenix]

It is amusing to me to see the word racism used so often by those who clearly do not understand the meaning.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I am all for treating normal muslims the same way like normal christians or any other religion - with no extra rights or benefits and the same obligations.

But i am for sure not going to demonstrate lead by former and current neonazis that play with the stupidity of people

When you say it in that way I dont have any problem with immigration either but that's not the way it looks today.

I see muslims in my population getting more rights than me and more benefits and we no longer have same obligations.

The first protest in dresden was perhabst 2 weeks ago from what I understand this was normal people of the population, no extremists, no right wing radicals protesting.

I can assume with more protests following the demonstrations will get fueled by all the media coverage by others such as neo-nazis etc.

I can try to look up some reference if you want.

Originally Posted by DamageX

Thing is though... Those stupid people marching with the neo-nazis are doing it because the establishment portrays any such attitudes as racism. Just look at the growth of nationalist parties around Europe. Some have doubled in size during the past few years, some are even part of their countries' governments.

It's not like the number of racists has doubled in the last five years or so. But they're the only ones trying to do something about the growing immigration issues. Many of their voters would likely vote for other parties, should those have a spine and address these issues. But they don't.

Both the media and the established parties are cowering behind political correctness, scared shitless of being called racists. At the same time they're labeling citizens as racists, simply because they they switch party allegiances due to their growing concerns about immigration.

That's also a reason why they're often turning a blind eye to this Sharia imbecility, because if they address it head-on they fear they'll be labeled as racists.

So in reality all this shit is their fault. If they had grown a set of balls and dealt with it, none of this would've happened.

Good summary could not have said it better. Thing is, shit will only get worse cause I dont see how things will change for the better any time soon. A whole generation of cowards, lemmings, sheeps are running things.

Then the protests we see today will look like some old folks playing bingo.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

IF something like that would have happened in Germany, i would understand when people protest

but it did not.

i watched this earlier today:
Bogida: Initiatorin Dittmer mit brauner Vergangenheit - SPIEGEL ONLINE

another ex nazi that now organizes demonstrations that have (of course) nothing to do with racism... haha

Here's something that would get most germans appalled. Must see, in german but with english text.

Lebanese crime family intimidates and threatens court reporters | MRCTV

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

like it or not the outnumber u. be friends or enemy they are growing. they are not going away

That doesn't mean we should just close our eyes and keep letting our countries be flooded with third world immigrants.
Besides the religion problem, all these people starts to undermine our welfare.

80% from Somalia are without job, yet they receive more money monthly than my parents who worked for over 50 years.

Let those who want to learn our language, get a job and live like Europeans stay, and kick those out who put their religion above our laws and existing culture.

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

like it or not the outnumber u. be friends or enemy they are growing. they are not going away

And you are right they will outnumber us if we don't do something now. That is exactly why something has to be done now, if we don't want to see a civil war all over Europe within the next few centuries. Fortunately more and more people see this.

It's not about racism or hate, but current experience has just showed our own culture is being challenged. When we see hospitals where only halal meet is served to please the Muslims, or areas where traditional celebration of Christmas is no longer allowed because of Muslim majority, then it is time to wake up.

[DanS]

They will outnumber us? Muslims will outnumber christians? Or what?
Civil War? Huh?
Hospitals with only halal meat? Where?
Celebration of christmas not allowed? Where?


From what I see in the news or read on the web from back home, the vast majority of people attending these marches have not even a clue why they are there. They can not answer simple questions regarding the topic of the gatherings.

But they seem to have one thing in common. They are scared of something. They are scared about the big politic is leaving them behind, and keeps them uninformed about important things. Politics lost touch to the base somewhere in the past few years.

That is the reason why people are so easily lured into bullshit, like they are.

Even if Merkel is ashamed about the recent happenings, she should not tell it to the public like she did. Branding all of these peoples as nazis is plain wrong, even though that is exactly what national level politicians are doing right now.

They are not Nazis, they are unhappy sheeps that can be too easily hearded.

[k0nr4d]

In paris they had to erect this giant buttplug instead of a christmas tree in order to avoid offending muslims!

[XMaster]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

In paris they had to erect this giant buttplug instead of a christmas tree in order to avoid offending muslims!

It's not buttplug. It's a Christmas Tree

[aka123]

Originally Posted by DamageX

You're a moron. You might wanna educate yourself, racism means discrimination because of race, not nationality.

So you keep saying:

"The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[25]"

Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I go with the UN definition for racial discrimination as there is not for starters stuff like "human races", so the word "racism" per se is incorrect, and the real meaning is different.